16:01:40 <pkovar> #startmeeting docteam 16:01:40 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Dec 13 16:01:40 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is pkovar. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:41 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:43 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'docteam' 16:02:04 <pkovar> #topic roll call 16:02:11 <pkovar> who's around this time? :) 16:02:16 <jamesmcarthur> o/ 16:02:24 <pkovar> \o 16:02:27 <chason> o/ 16:02:35 <pkovar> \o 16:03:50 <AJaeger> o/ 16:04:39 <jamesmcarthur> cha cha cha 16:06:02 <pkovar> o\ 16:06:11 <pkovar> that was moving on 16:06:21 <pkovar> #topic Docs retention policy changes 16:06:27 <pkovar> #link http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/docs-specs/specs/queens/retention-policy.html 16:06:47 <pkovar> we links to relevant reviews in 16:06:49 <pkovar> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+spec/retention-policy 16:06:56 <pkovar> #info Good progress, waiting on changes to be merged 16:07:26 <pkovar> zuul was acting up yesterday, not sure if we need to recheck? 16:07:34 <pkovar> AJaeger: do you know? ^ 16:08:34 <pkovar> we have two outstanding reviews to finish implementing the spec 16:09:12 <AJaeger> pkovar: yes, recheck is needed if you have no results or strange ones 16:09:13 <pkovar> (unless something breaks again, heh) 16:09:25 <pkovar> okay, will do 16:09:58 <pkovar> we might need to push a trivial change too to eol branches to trigger republishing 16:10:17 <pkovar> i think that's what was needed last time when we resurrected mitaka 16:10:57 <pkovar> anything else about this topic? 16:11:13 <pkovar> actually 16:11:15 <pkovar> #info Flagging deprecated releases 16:11:21 <pkovar> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-October/123381.html 16:11:52 <pkovar> not sure what's the progress there? jamesmcarthur do you know? 16:12:02 <jamesmcarthur> Hi - we have started work on this. Expect something to be up for review within a week. 16:12:09 <jamesmcarthur> (i hope) 16:12:35 <pkovar> sounds great, hope to have the guides for newton and ocata republished this week too 16:13:03 <jamesmcarthur> We're working on modifying the yaml to include some additional variables based on the state of the release. 16:13:21 <jamesmcarthur> Which will give us a dynamic message box that we can attach to the top of any release. 16:13:54 <pkovar> something like devel/latest/old stable/unsupported? 16:14:09 <pkovar> s/latest/latest stable/ 16:14:54 <jamesmcarthur> using the status under SERIES_INFO: http://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/openstack-manuals/tree/tools/www-generator.py#n43 16:15:50 <pkovar> good good 16:15:53 <jamesmcarthur> my proposal will be to add a couple of new variables like: bannercolor, bannermessage, bannerlink that can be modified by anyone 16:16:03 <jamesmcarthur> per series 16:16:14 <pkovar> sounds great 16:17:50 <pkovar> okay, thanks for the update, moving on... 16:17:59 <pkovar> #topic Rocky PTG 16:18:06 <pkovar> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg/ 16:18:13 <pkovar> #info Planning etherpad for docs+i18n created 16:18:19 <pkovar> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-rocky 16:18:26 <pkovar> #info Sign up and tell us your preference wrt parcel time into small chunks or have full-day focus on one team agenda? 16:18:51 <pkovar> #info ... on the eherpad 16:19:36 <pkovar> #info we will be joined by people involved in the contrib guide effort 16:20:07 <pkovar> #info ... and upstream institute 16:20:30 <pkovar> #link Contributor Guide https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/ 16:21:05 <pkovar> #action add your own topics to the planning etherpad 16:21:47 <pkovar> so far, we have redoing docs tags, reviewing actions items from the past, restoring builds 16:21:54 <pkovar> and contrib guide 16:23:10 <pkovar> related to that, and mostly fyi 16:23:11 <pkovar> #topic removed unused docs:follows-policy tag 16:23:18 <pkovar> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/524217/ 16:23:24 <pkovar> #info new docs tags to be discussed at PTG 16:24:12 <pkovar> okay, next topic 16:24:14 <pkovar> #topic changes to the docs core team 16:24:31 <pkovar> #info Anne Gentle stepped down from the core team 16:24:37 <pkovar> #info thanks Anne for your leadership and involvement in the docs project since the very beginning! 16:25:58 <pkovar> #topic Project Liaisons for First Contact SIG 16:26:06 <pkovar> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG 16:26:12 <pkovar> #info Anyone interested in being the docs project liaison? 16:26:27 <pkovar> if so, please go ahead and sign up 16:26:36 <pkovar> and maybe let me know .) 16:27:16 <pkovar> this is a recent effort trying to attract more contributors to the community 16:28:18 <pkovar> as we all know, it's challenging to find new docs writers so attracting newcomers to start writing docs is the way to go 16:28:39 <pkovar> (in a coordinated fashion) 16:29:22 <pkovar> #topic PDF builds 16:29:30 <pkovar> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/509297/ 16:30:11 <pkovar> still work to do also in terms of figuring out what to do about eol docs pdf builds 16:30:22 <pkovar> ianychoi gave us an update yesterday 16:30:35 <ianychoi> hi 16:30:46 <pkovar> o/ 16:31:05 <pkovar> any comments, ianychoi? :) 16:32:22 <ianychoi> For the spec, would there be some ways to continue conversation from http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124863.html ? 16:32:43 <pkovar> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124863.html 16:33:07 <pkovar> #action follow up on the pdf build thread 16:34:51 <ianychoi> And.. for pdfs for Mitaka, I found that Sphinx < 1.3 is used for build environment 16:35:49 <ianychoi> Not much sure whether old version of Sphinx is fine with pdf builds. I will more see on this. 16:36:25 <pkovar> if that version is too old, we can follow up with infra? 16:36:57 <pkovar> though mitaka is eol, so not sure if we want to spend too much time on that 16:37:37 <AJaeger> pkovar: infra has nothing to do with that. 16:37:48 <AJaeger> It's test-requirements - and that's what we control. 16:38:07 <pkovar> ah, so just update that? cool 16:38:19 <ianychoi> pkovar, after Mitaka, there have been some requirement changes. Such changes are fine with eol branches? 16:38:20 <AJaeger> Past experience has shown that newer sphinx needs changes to RST files as well, so if you update, you'll need to fix some files as well 16:38:50 <pkovar> good point 16:38:58 <ianychoi> And some bindep.txt modification 16:39:20 <pkovar> a test build would be need to assess the volume of editing work required 16:39:39 <pkovar> to tweak the RSTs 16:40:13 <pkovar> ianychoi: if it's under our control, i think it's fine 16:41:00 <ianychoi> pkovar, aha good :) 16:44:07 <pkovar> okay, if there are more comments, lets discuss here later or in -dev 16:44:08 <pkovar> #topic Bug Triage Team 16:44:21 <pkovar> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/SpecialityTeams 16:44:41 <pkovar> thanks goes to chason who volunteered for this week 16:44:43 <ianychoi> Nothing more currently - ah https://review.openstack.org/#/c/525187/ - thank u chason 16:45:25 <pkovar> if more people are interested in bug triaging, please sign up 16:45:36 <chason> pkovar Hahah 16:45:54 <pkovar> or file bugs :) 16:46:24 <chason> pkovar ianychoi yw :) 16:46:50 <chason> pkovar BTW, I have signed up this position, https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Project_Liaisons 16:47:06 <pkovar> excellent, thanks chason 16:47:33 <pkovar> #info chason signed up for https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Project_Liaisons 16:47:50 <ianychoi> +1 :) 16:48:10 <pkovar> #action file bugs, triage bugs, repeat 16:48:27 <chason> pkovar np. I'd really like more people join us. :) 16:49:34 <pkovar> yes, but if more people don't sign up, we can always rethink how we want to deal with bugs 16:50:14 <pkovar> #topic Open discussion 16:51:10 <pkovar> any objections if we cancel the meeting of Dec 27? :) 16:51:36 <pkovar> we would meet on Jan 10 16:52:28 <pkovar> i take it as a no then :) 16:52:46 <pkovar> #info next meeting scheduled for Jan 10 2018 16:53:02 <pkovar> any other business to discuss? 16:54:07 <pkovar> if not enjoy your holidays and happy new year! 16:54:23 <pkovar> thanks, everybody 16:54:34 <ianychoi> pkovar, happy new year early :) BTW 16:54:49 <chason> thanks pkovar 16:54:51 * AJaeger wishes all happy holidays as well 16:54:54 <pkovar> i know, it' just for us folks in the mtg :) 16:55:14 <ianychoi> pkovar, hmm I can ask to u later :) 16:55:19 <jamesmcarthur> thanks pkovar! 16:55:37 <pkovar> #endmeeting