14:01:20 #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting 14:01:21 Meeting started Tue Dec 10 14:01:20 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. 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The original criteria for authors was having run OpenStack for at least six months in production as of last Feb. 14:09:29 ok, thats definitely not me :/ 14:09:58 Sam-I-Am: yeah it's tough to turn away willing authors but it's experience that's needed 14:10:16 Sam-I-Am: but, you could certainly review edits as they go in and comment, especially the overview, since you have fresh eyes 14:10:32 probably 14:10:43 Another interesting comment we're working through is that the book contains tactics but not a lot of strategy 14:10:53 My favorite is that it is quite "clean" heh 14:11:12 So we'll answer questions like, how does the cloud controller make your job easier? what do you need to be concerned about? 14:11:18 any questions on that? 14:11:51 how can i take a look at it? 14:11:55 annegentle, That will be going to be great for us. 14:12:21 Sam-I-Am: the book itself is at http://docs.openstack.org/ops 14:12:30 thanks 14:12:37 let's see, what's next 14:12:47 #topic Doc core can now set a patch to WIP 14:13:03 This is just a public service reminder as a new part of our review process 14:14:03 Anyone up for updating the wiki with the new ability to set a patch as WIP? 14:14:19 I think it goes in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Reviewing_Documentation 14:14:39 annegentle, i will do that 14:14:44 chandankumar: thanks! 14:14:54 #action chandankumar to update https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HowTo#Reviewing_Documentation with note about WIP 14:14:55 annegentle, yw :) 14:15:34 #topic Doc tools update - openstack-doc-tools repository 14:15:54 Andreas has been working steadily at the new repo setup 14:16:10 Here's a link to the review queue 14:16:12 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/openstack-doc-tools,n,z 14:17:11 He's also working through the right way to get consistent gate checks on all the docs repos 14:17:43 This move also helps with building translated documents 14:17:46 any questions? 14:18:08 #topic Doc Bug Day Dec 20 14:18:13 i will review the doctools 14:18:15 Ok, this is going to be a fun day 14:18:21 yes 14:18:22 chandankumar: thank you! Needs reviewers for sure 14:18:39 My team at Rackspace is going to help where they can 14:18:45 some of us need a walk-through for fixing bugs 14:18:48 I've been triaging bugs in anticipation 14:18:50 so i dont screw stuff up :) 14:19:10 Sam-I-Am: no worries about screwing up, it won't get through reviewers if it is screwy :) 14:19:17 there is that... 14:19:27 Sam-I-Am: my hope is to have triaged bugs so that there are ones anyone can pick up 14:19:41 Sam-I-Am: some of doc bug day will be triaging too, so if you know the answers, make a comment in the bug 14:19:53 Sam-I-Am: and hopefully fix a bunch, close some, consolidate 14:20:08 Sam-I-Am: I'd be happy to walk you through on IRC any time 14:20:25 most of mine are filed but there's plenty of things that could use rewording for streamlining/consolidating or major rewriting 14:20:42 s/for/or 14:20:45 <- early here 14:21:03 i'll take you up on that offer 14:21:04 Sam-I-Am: heh. well, doc bug day is not for major rewriting, but it is a good chance to dig into books 14:21:18 Sam-I-Am: cool, I have notes from a workshop, I'll put them on the wiki 14:21:24 thanks 14:22:26 hopefully there's not much more to making neutron work in the ubuntu/redhat install guides 14:22:34 It's funny, that's the day before holiday break for some of us 14:22:47 Sam-I-Am: I am hoping you can sort through the comments and existing bugs and figure out the core issues 14:22:54 Sam-I-Am: that would be a good doc bug day task 14:22:57 goal 14:23:12 Sam-I-Am: I think it's close 14:23:22 Ok, that's all I had on the agenda 14:23:23 ok 14:23:26 #topic Open Discussion 14:23:32 welcome AJaeger! 14:23:40 Sorry for beeing late... 14:23:53 Hi annegentle and Everybody else ;) 14:24:07 hi ajaeger, my savior 14:24:19 nermina, you should be sleeping ;) 14:24:23 lol 14:24:44 did you discuss the openstack-doc-tools repo? 14:24:58 AJaeger: yep, sure did! 14:25:11 ah, then I'll read minutes lateron... 14:25:36 AJaeger: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23openstack-meeting/%23openstack-meeting.2013-12-10.log 14:25:39 :) 14:25:54 anderstj, can i github repo link of openstack-doc-tools? 14:26:43 AJaeger: I think the devstack-checkout job is the way to go, for replication 14:26:49 AJaeger: I'll write back on the list 14:27:03 nermina: AJaeger sounds like you have a good plan for moving forward with the training guide? 14:27:10 annegentle, let's give it a try - if it works out, great, if not we adjust ;) 14:27:17 AJaeger: yep, sounds just right 14:27:51 regarding the training guide: Not sure how to handle the section/chapter problem in the best way... 14:28:00 annegentle, sean's team on board and it might just work out 14:28:07 Using xpointer is one option - but an ugly hack IMO 14:28:12 i'm meeting pranav sometime today 14:28:49 AJaeger: xpointer is probably the right way, but does make for more maintenance, what's another way to share content? 14:30:20 annegentle, creating one large chapter perhaps? No good idea yet - but I don't have much experience here 14:30:36 i need to give it a fresh look, annegentle ajeager 14:30:47 AJaeger: I thought about a chapter wrapper, but maybe that's what they're doing already 14:31:00 nermina: is pranav the person Sean's handing off to? 14:31:11 yes, he's my goto guy 14:32:01 nermina: ok, cool 14:32:10 he said he knows how to fix the problem. i just haven't had the chance to connect in real time due to time zones. 14:32:18 nermina: oh right, Aussie 14:32:33 where in australia? 14:32:35 can i help? 14:32:46 but we'll find the time 14:32:51 Speaking of Aussies, I do want to make sure people know I don't expect people to attend a meeting that's so out of their time zone it would drive them batty :) 14:33:03 Two a month should hopefully be sufficient 14:33:20 loq_mac, thanks, we're doing cross-pollination between training guides and cloud admin guide 14:33:24 Also, MirandaZhang starts her internship next week 14:33:57 She's in Australia too, Canberra. dianefleming is her mentor and loq_mac should be able to help as well for any in-Aussie-time needs 14:34:00 i'm in canberra from 26 dec to 5 jan, IIRC 14:34:11 so i'll try and grab a coffee with her then 14:34:42 love that we have interns 14:34:46 :D 14:35:50 nermina: yes! 14:36:01 I miss Laura Alves :) 14:36:09 what happened? 14:36:16 nermina: oh she went back to school! 14:36:20 ah 14:36:28 nermina: it's what you do :) 14:36:34 ok, that's all I've got 14:36:40 ta! 14:36:42 #endmeeting