14:01:24 <annegentle> #startmeeting DocTeamMeeting 14:01:25 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Jan 29 14:01:24 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is annegentle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:01:26 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:01:28 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'docteammeeting' 14:01:39 <annegentle> Thanks AJaeger for adding the style guide to the agenda, woot 14:01:48 <annegentle> #topic Action items from last meeting 14:01:59 * annegentle scurries to look 14:02:37 <annegentle> Ok, so the Actions were all about getting started on the separate Networking guide 14:02:56 <annegentle> Looks like Nick isn't here, does Sam-I-Am or Edgar have any update to report? 14:02:58 <Sam-I-Am> that and probably fixing the install guide 14:03:04 <Sam-I-Am> we're meeting again on friday 14:03:16 <Sam-I-Am> for some reason the second meeting got delayed a bit 14:03:22 <annegentle> I do have one thing, Phil Hopkins from Rackspace also wants to help, and I put him in contact with Nick and Edgar. I should've included you too, Sam-I-Am. 14:03:26 <sgordon> I REMEMBERED 14:03:28 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: I'll introduce you to Phil via email 14:03:28 <sgordon> almost 14:03:34 <annegentle> sgordon: WOOT 14:03:38 <annegentle> sgordon: nice :) 14:03:39 <Sam-I-Am> annegentle: i saw phil on our e-mail yesterday 14:03:44 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: ok cool 14:04:02 <annegentle> I think that's progress, honestly, as tough as it is to get 3-4 people to meet! 14:04:08 <annegentle> Let's call it progress :) 14:04:15 <Sam-I-Am> it was more difficult than i thought 14:04:25 <Sam-I-Am> in the meantime there was plenty of ops guide work to be done, so... 14:04:27 <annegentle> #info Networking Guide subgroup has met twice 14:04:33 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: true true 14:04:49 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: what do you think the first deliverable will be, an outline/blueprint on the wiki? 14:05:01 <annegentle> I can't recall 14:05:04 <Sam-I-Am> i also tried icehouse and the packages were broken... but i did get ML2 working on havana and i dont think it'll be much different for icehouse 14:05:09 <Sam-I-Am> it should be blueprints 14:05:19 <Sam-I-Am> from there we can restructure the install guide, figure out the book, etc 14:05:25 <annegentle> That's progress. 14:05:34 <annegentle> Ok next item 14:05:45 <annegentle> #topic January Monthly Google Hangout today at 20:00 UTC 14:06:16 <annegentle> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting#Google_Hangout_for_Docs 14:06:30 <annegentle> Lots to talk about! 14:06:55 <annegentle> Mostly the point is for us to get to talk in person via video 14:07:08 <Sam-I-Am> i'll be there 14:07:15 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: excellent 14:07:20 <annegentle> I think we'll have a good group 14:07:51 <AJaeger> I should make it as well... 14:07:52 <annegentle> Sounds like Lana won't make it but we'll have Summer and Bruce and possibly other 14:07:54 <annegentle> others 14:08:05 <annegentle> AJaeger: cool, it'll be great to see you finally :) 14:08:22 <annegentle> I think I'll be in the Rackspace office so you can see it, heh. 14:08:25 <AJaeger> Yeah, finally :) 14:08:38 * AJaeger will be at home... 14:08:50 <annegentle> (heh I might be too depending on how my day goes, actually) 14:08:55 <annegentle> You can see my lovely home office 14:09:05 <annegentle> Okay, onward 14:09:08 <annegentle> #topic Webinar in February (date tbd) to update Icehouse doc/qa/infra plans 14:09:26 <annegentle> So the date is still not finalized -- coordinating 3 busy schedules is not easy! 14:09:32 <annegentle> But I have the slide deck ready to go 14:09:57 <annegentle> It was also useful for the Glance mid-cycle meetup this week, they used some of the slides in an etherpad to at least bring up docs 14:10:05 <annegentle> so, useful is good 14:10:27 <Sam-I-Am> what doc stuff is covered in this webinar? 14:10:30 <annegentle> In the area of wider communications, I've been asked to put the What's Up Doc in a blog format also so it's easily linked to 14:10:57 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: the history of it is that previously the 3-4 project leads would get a speaking slot at the Summit to discuss what was decided 14:11:07 <annegentle> that got overwhelming with so many new projects and so little time at Summits 14:11:14 <annegentle> so this time around they held webinars 14:11:27 <annegentle> but qa/docs/infra didn't hold their webinars in the first couple of rounds 14:11:41 <annegentle> so we're in a holding pattern looking for a date/time 14:11:45 <Sam-I-Am> ahh ok 14:11:56 <annegentle> it's mostly about what we're working on for icehouse 14:12:32 <annegentle> meant to tell the widest community possible 14:12:43 <annegentle> #topic Doc tools update - 0.4 release of openstack-doc-tools, 1.13.0 release of clouddocs-maven-plugin 14:12:44 <Sam-I-Am> let me know if you need anything for the networking stuff 14:12:46 <annegentle> Lots of releases this week 14:12:53 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: I will definitely take you up on that offer 14:13:04 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: I'll look at my slide deck and email ya, ok? 14:13:08 <Sam-I-Am> sure 14:13:20 <annegentle> #action annegentle to email Sam-I-Am for networking details on a slide for webinar 14:13:53 <annegentle> The 0.4 release of the openstack-doc-tools went out yesterday 14:14:00 <annegentle> #link https://github.com/openstack/openstack-doc-tools < has release notes 14:14:15 <annegentle> Huge improvements in the autogen options tables 14:14:31 <annegentle> and I LOVE the new autodoc for python-novaclient, etc. 14:14:40 <annegentle> That is going to make for a large CLI book, heh 14:14:54 <annegentle> AJaeger: great work 14:15:05 <Sam-I-Am> good stuff 14:15:30 <annegentle> AJaeger: I'm a bit distracted with the Ops Guide, but what's the next step -- are we making a CLI Reference as a separate book? Or putting in the End User Guide? 14:16:04 <AJaeger> I don't have any plans right now here - I can do either. 14:16:27 <sgordon> i think it's better off in the end user guide myself 14:16:30 <AJaeger> If you have a preference, tell me and I can give it a try... 14:16:48 <annegentle> AJaeger: sgordon: but didn't we say we'd want a separate CLI Ref due to the size? Any idea how large? 14:16:53 <sgordon> since when? 14:16:56 <annegentle> sgordon: at the summit? 14:16:57 <sgordon> we only just got rid of it lol 14:17:37 <annegentle> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2013-November/003252.html 14:17:43 <annegentle> That's from my Summit notes 14:18:17 <annegentle> AJaeger: I think the original preference was as a separate book 14:19:04 <annegentle> AJaeger: want to see what it looks like? 14:19:13 <annegentle> AJaeger: and people can review in gerrit? 14:19:15 <AJaeger> annegentle, if that's still valid, give me an action item for that one 14:19:35 <annegentle> #action AJaeger to create a separate CLI Reference to get input from reviewers 14:19:42 <annegentle> AJaeger: sounds good 14:20:21 <annegentle> AJaeger: much as I hate to add another book, another build, etc. This one would not be a "release" one but would be continuously published. We can work on details later 14:20:26 <annegentle> AJaeger: if that's ok 14:20:37 <AJaeger> sure, let's see how it looks... 14:20:52 <sgordon> if it's autogenned is there any reason not to have a release one? 14:21:01 <sgordon> for instance options can change between releases 14:21:10 <annegentle> sgordon: yes, because the python-novaclient doesn't follow the release schedule 14:21:18 <AJaeger> sgordon, the release of the client packages is indepenend of the OpenStack releases - isn't it? 14:21:23 <annegentle> sgordon: so continuous is more accurate 14:21:36 <sgordon> i think that's more a theoretical take than practical though 14:21:41 <sgordon> in terms of how most users consume it 14:21:45 <sgordon> (via packaging) 14:21:58 <nickchase> sorry I'm late 14:21:59 <annegentle> nickchase: welcome! 14:22:03 <Sam-I-Am> hi nick 14:22:11 <annegentle> sgordon: oh good point, hrmity. 14:23:04 <annegentle> sgordon: AJaeger: I'm gonna shop both ideas on my team here at Rackspace, they'll have opinions too. I would think lots of people would pip install since they're using it on their mac, or whatever local machine 14:23:30 <AJaeger> annegentle, ok. So, let's followup via email on that aspect. 14:23:34 <annegentle> AJaeger: sounds good 14:23:43 <annegentle> Also on Doc Tools, the 1.13.0 release of the clouddocs-maven-plugin went out, David Cramer sent a post about it. 14:23:59 <annegentle> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2014-January/003736.html 14:24:09 <annegentle> That got us parts in time for O'Reilly. 14:24:20 <AJaeger> annegentle, it's used in all our repos now... 14:24:32 <annegentle> I don't know if other books could use parts, probably the Cloud Admin Guide could, so now that we have it we can maybe re-org the Cloud Admin Guide. 14:25:09 <annegentle> I don't have an action out of that, but want to be sure you all know tha'ts available. 14:25:12 <nickchase> Its a thought 14:25:32 <annegentle> nickchase: yah, I think nermina mentioned parts while she was doing analysis 14:25:43 <nickchase> I believe she did 14:25:49 <nickchase> we're working with it now 14:25:56 <nickchase> we'll revisit as we look at the networking content 14:26:08 <annegentle> Let's see, that's it for doc tools unless you have anything to add AJaeger (I don't think we have dcramer) 14:26:33 <annegentle> #topic Working on Oxygen licenses 14:26:44 <AJaeger> I debugged with dcramer yesterday some of the mvn outputs and we fixed a couple of them. 14:27:04 <annegentle> So here at Rackspace we're renewing our Oxygen licenses, and I mentioned our OpenStack needs to the procurement person 14:27:11 <annegentle> I still need to follow up on how their conversation went 14:27:32 <annegentle> #action annegentle to find out if Oxygen XML is interested in continuing to support OpenStack with donated licenses 14:28:05 <annegentle> I know at boot camp we all said only people working on WADL really would need Oxygen, but training guys want it too 14:28:17 <annegentle> so another handful of licenses would be great 14:28:19 <annegentle> I'll keep ya posted 14:28:24 <annegentle> Okay, next topic 14:28:32 <annegentle> #topic Style Guide for config strings 14:28:41 <annegentle> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/69381 14:28:59 <Sam-I-Am> i think it comes down to a period 14:29:04 <AJaeger> For me the question is which of *our* guidelines we want to enforce. 14:29:05 <sgordon> o boy 14:29:35 <sgordon> i agree with diane's comment on the period 14:29:37 <AJaeger> The two things to discuss are the "period" and the use of project names vs. nova/neutron.... 14:29:54 <annegentle> I haven't written back to Diane, but my thinking is that there are way more edits we'd have to do to bring it into compliance, but maybe I'm wrong? 14:30:00 <annegentle> I was mostly trying to reflect what I see... 14:30:18 <annegentle> AJaeger: you have a patch for one of the projects, right? How's that being received? 14:30:27 <sgordon> im sure there are but i dont think we need to do it overnight 14:30:43 <AJaeger> annegentle, all my patches are merged with the exception of cinder - due to too heavy editing by Diane ;) 14:30:48 <sgordon> project names could go either way.... 14:30:51 <Sam-I-Am> i didnt see the project name vs. nova/neutron thing 14:31:05 <Sam-I-Am> i think if its referencing commands, it should probably be nova/neutron/whatever 14:31:24 <AJaeger> oslo-incubation, oslo.messaging, ceilometer are all excepted and merged 14:31:44 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67657/ 14:32:01 <annegentle> AJaeger: ok 14:32:01 <AJaeger> That's the nova/cinder etc one... 14:32:52 <annegentle> AJaeger: I see, adding periods really does increase readability to me. 14:32:58 <annegentle> AJaeger: so I'm for it! 14:33:03 <Sam-I-Am> hmm, the use of project names seems to fit there 14:33:09 <annegentle> AJaeger: sgordon: Sam-I-Am: but... project names. BLARGH 14:33:18 <sgordon> :> 14:33:26 <annegentle> I get annoyed at project names since they're meaningless until you've studied up :) 14:33:33 <Sam-I-Am> good point 14:33:42 * Sam-I-Am still hasnt had coffee 14:33:47 <Sam-I-Am> ^^ blame that 14:33:49 <sgordon> i would argue both the official names and the code names suffer that fate 14:33:52 <sgordon> telemetry anyone? 14:33:54 <AJaeger> It's the cinder.conf file that talks about cinder ... 14:34:07 <annegentle> sgordon: heh 14:34:26 <annegentle> AJaeger: yeah, as far as context, you're in a project.conf file. 14:34:42 <annegentle> AJaeger: ok, I'll vote for project names not "real" names 14:34:50 <annegentle> AJaeger: I can comment on the style guide patch 14:35:03 <annegentle> AJaeger: no one else has asked you why you're editing before the style guide is approved? ;) 14:35:04 <AJaeger> annegentle, please do (and convince Diane ;) 14:36:11 <annegentle> AJaeger: hee 14:36:11 <AJaeger> here're the merged patches: 14:36:15 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67654/ 14:36:35 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67658/ 14:36:46 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67646/ 14:36:52 <annegentle> AJaeger: this is going to be a huge improvement. I hope people outside of docs recognize it. 14:36:55 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67647/ 14:37:10 <AJaeger> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/67659/ 14:37:23 <AJaeger> Those were the major culprits I found 14:37:30 <AJaeger> the rest looked fine enough... 14:37:36 <annegentle> AJaeger: wow only six patches in nova, that's impressive :) 14:37:48 <AJaeger> ;) 14:37:54 <annegentle> AJaeger: and the hacking check is a great idea 14:38:04 <AJaeger> wasn't my idea 14:38:07 <annegentle> AJaeger: now let's get the style guide to match the checks 14:38:12 <AJaeger> exactly 14:38:27 <annegentle> Okay, ready for open discussion 14:38:31 <annegentle> #topic Open discussion 14:38:49 <annegentle> I do want to remind everyone that O'Reilly takes the Ops Guide 2/5 14:39:05 <annegentle> Doesn't mean we can't patch it, just means that patching means tougher rebasing possibly 14:39:13 <annegentle> and really I don't htink it'll be hard at all 14:39:19 <annegentle> my thinking is that they'll do a file at a time 14:39:24 <annegentle> which makes for very easy rebasing :) 14:39:29 <Sam-I-Am> there's a few questions in the upgrade section that need discussing 14:39:47 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: yes and it seems like Tom is popping in though on vacation, ha 14:39:47 <Sam-I-Am> and i think the preface still feels a little rushed 14:39:52 <sgordon> just on that 14:39:58 <sgordon> dont forget the normal review queue either 14:40:17 <Sam-I-Am> tom took his vacation at a good time 14:40:25 <sgordon> i went through last night and there a number of patches against openstack-manuals that have been hanging out without other votes for a while 14:40:54 <annegentle> sgordon: yeah for sure 14:41:12 <sgordon> i had an unrelated query 14:41:21 <sgordon> is anyone from docs involved in the storyboard effort? 14:41:22 <annegentle> sgordon: it looks pretty clean now, openstack-manuals 14:41:36 <Sam-I-Am> storyboard? 14:41:37 <annegentle> sgordon: not that I know of, I've seen mordred going gangbusters lately though 14:41:38 <sgordon> annegentle, all those ones showing with +2 i did a couple of days ago 14:41:44 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: storyboard is a replacement for Launchpad 14:41:50 <annegentle> sgordon: thank you! 14:41:53 <sgordon> annegentle, read: no other core has looked at them 14:42:22 <annegentle> sgordon: got it 14:42:30 <sgordon> annegentle, right - i guess my Q is if there's anything we want to see in storyboard 14:42:38 <sgordon> that we dont have in launchpad (glorious launchpad) 14:42:39 <annegentle> sgordon: I went to the Summit session 14:42:47 <sgordon> yeah so did i, i think 14:42:47 <annegentle> sgordon: hm 14:43:03 <Sam-I-Am> would storyboard be an openstack-specific thing? 14:43:09 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: yep 14:43:20 <sgordon> Sam-I-Am, in as much as it's being built by openstack peeps for openstack peeps yes 14:43:28 <sgordon> it would theoretically be deployable elsewhere though 14:43:33 <AJaeger> annegentle, regarding summit: Is there any sense in giving summit presentations about documentation? 14:43:35 <annegentle> Another news item, MirandaZhang our API doc intern has hit her halfway point in the internship 14:44:00 <annegentle> AJaeger: so for the "business" side, I guess we could propose, I'm not ever sure what people really want to hear about though. 14:44:08 <annegentle> AJaeger: for the 14:44:11 <sgordon> annegentle, as an example - in the feature pages for fedora/ovirt (which are very low tech) 14:44:18 <annegentle> AJaeger: for the "design" side we'll get about 4 slots in our track 14:44:24 <sgordon> annegentle, the proposer must put in a release note section 14:44:35 <annegentle> sgordon: now that's a nice feature 14:44:49 <AJaeger> annegentle, I was thinking whether the business side would welcome something... 14:45:03 <sgordon> annegentle, that's the main thing i am thinking of in terms of it anyway 14:45:03 <annegentle> AJaeger: what do you think OpenStack consumers and deployers might like to know about docs? 14:45:12 <sgordon> i guess i need to find the relevant list and get involved 14:45:14 <annegentle> sgordon: yes release notes 14:45:29 <nickchase> I think all consumers and deployers and to know is when are we going to get docs they consider to be great. 14:45:32 <annegentle> sgordon: that would be AWESOME (as I really couldn't dedicate a slice of time to it) 14:45:37 <AJaeger> annegentle, that's what I'm currently asking myself as well - is there something that makes sense for us to present to them? 14:45:54 <sgordon> annegentle, i think it assists with $DAYJOB so should be able to find some cycles 14:45:56 <annegentle> AJaeger: the user survey is well-attended, so a docs session might be as well 14:46:19 <annegentle> AJaeger: should I propose? Do a panel? Let's keep talking about it by 2/14 14:46:23 <sgordon> a docs session needs to be targeted/marketed well 14:46:34 <annegentle> #info Deadline for Summit proposals 2/14 14:46:48 <annegentle> Additional news tidbit 14:46:48 <nickchase> I would be happy t do a "how to get started" panel aimed at shwoing projects how to get docs for their stuff into the system 14:46:52 <sgordon> there is also i assume someone from the personas group proposing a session 14:47:04 <sgordon> so it would be good for us to be involved in that in some way or another 14:47:12 <AJaeger> Let's discuss this a bit more on some great presentation... 14:47:22 <annegentle> #info Great progress on Object Storage API reference info 14:47:24 <annegentle> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/65378/ 14:47:29 <nickchase> I'm on the personas team 14:47:37 <annegentle> sgordon: nickchase is our doc rep 14:47:40 <annegentle> for personas 14:47:46 <annegentle> can't type fast enough :) 14:47:49 <nickchase> :) 14:47:56 <nickchase> you have more topics to type about ;0 14:47:58 * AJaeger also joined the personas group 14:48:00 <annegentle> #info Seeking authors for a CLI Quick Start 14:48:14 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: was i supposed to join that group? 14:48:35 <annegentle> So I've got this contact at Dzone who wants authors for one of their Refcardz 14:48:39 <nickchase> sam-i-am: if you have the cycles 14:48:46 <annegentle> #link http://refcardz.dzone.com/ 14:49:01 <annegentle> If you're interested, let me know 14:49:03 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: i'm just going to quit my day job and stop sleeping 14:49:06 <annegentle> I have no idea of this is a paid gig or not 14:49:20 <nickchase> wait, can we go back: did we finish the summit discussion? 14:50:02 <nickchase> sam-i-am: not sleeping yes, but keep the day job . :) 14:50:12 <annegentle> nickchase: go ahead (IRC is bad for seeming to interrupt, not my intent) 14:50:44 <nickchase> annegentle: No problem. :) So my question is, do we want to do a panel telling devs from various projects how to get their content into docs 14:50:59 <nickchase> and then the next question is, do we care about anything but "core"? 14:51:01 <annegentle> nickchase: but that's not the audience for the 2/14 deadline 14:51:12 <annegentle> nickchase: our "mission" statement specifically states core only 14:51:25 <AJaeger> nickchase, we're discussing the "business" sessions. 14:51:58 <nickchase> ok, so there's where I was confused: is there more than one session proposal deadline? 14:52:07 <sgordon> yeah 14:52:09 <nickchase> (core question in a minute) 14:52:12 <sgordon> the design summit one is much later 14:52:29 <annegentle> nickchase: yes. 2/14 is for the non-design-summit. The design summit deadlines will be in March 14:52:32 <nickchase> OK, then I yeild back the floor. thank you. :) 14:52:49 <nickchase> yield, even 14:53:49 <nickchase> annegentle: you were up to the refcardz gig 14:54:14 <sgordon> right 14:54:27 <annegentle> nickchase: but ask about the mission statement and core :) 14:54:29 <sgordon> i dont envy whoever has to fit a useful openstack CLI guide on a refcardz ;) 14:54:42 <annegentle> sgordon: hehe. his proposal is for six cards 14:54:47 <annegentle> or cardz :) 14:54:55 <sgordon> :D 14:55:07 <annegentle> sgordon: how much of a good reputation does dzone have? 14:55:14 <sgordon> pretty good afaik 14:55:18 <nickchase> OK, I'll ask: 14:55:26 <nickchase> sgordon: and they're pushing harder on cloud 14:55:28 <annegentle> sgordon: oh and apparently Redhat wants to sponsor, and I would like Rackspace to also sponsor, but he won't tell me an amount. 14:55:30 <annegentle> so this is all fun 14:55:33 <sgordon> there certainly who i think of when i think of these kind of cards 14:55:34 <nickchase> I'm writing something for their annual report this week 14:55:42 <sgordon> annegentle, excellent 14:55:52 <sgordon> annegentle, i dont know who would be organizing that off the top of my head 14:55:54 <sgordon> but will try find out 14:55:59 <annegentle> seems logical for both to co-sponsor 14:56:05 <annegentle> sgordon: thanks! very helpful 14:56:19 <annegentle> nickchase: so the next "integrated" project is trove, Database-as-a-service, for Icehouse 14:56:25 <nickchase> so as far as mission statement, while our mission says we focus on core, I'd like to throw out there the notion of providing access to docs for additional projects -- even if it's just links. 14:56:34 <annegentle> We have one patch that we reverted and will put in on 3/27 just to be closer to actual icehouse release 14:56:46 <nickchase> annegentle: do we have a docs liason for that? 14:56:48 <annegentle> nickchase: and we do that, most of the integrated projects have some doc in openstack-manuals 14:57:01 <AJaeger> Ah, the topic I wanted to bring up: When do start documenting trove for our continous integration books? 14:57:03 <annegentle> nickchase: we wanted a liason per project 14:57:16 <nickchase> annegentle: I will get one. 14:57:18 <annegentle> AJaeger: I like 3/27 the Release Candidate day 14:57:18 <AJaeger> Might need to put on the agenda for next meeting... 14:57:31 <nickchase> for trove, that is 14:57:31 <annegentle> AJaeger: yeah good thinking 14:57:51 <annegentle> nickchase: that would be great, they have a writer at Rackspace but she's on 3-4 services at once 14:57:54 <AJaeger> we already make changes in some documents for Icehouse... 14:58:15 <AJaeger> but not in a systematic way 14:58:15 <annegentle> nickchase: there's also Laurel Michaels who has just gotten her first patch in, who's interested in trove docs 14:58:20 <annegentle> nickchase: so we have potential people 14:58:26 <nickchase> great. 14:58:31 <annegentle> welcome chandankumar_! 14:58:39 <annegentle> ok anything else so we can yield the "room"? 14:58:41 <nickchase> One more bit of news, since we're almost at time: 14:58:53 <nickchase> Nermina has been hired by some lucky non-cloud company. 14:59:02 <nickchase> So I will be replacing her ASAP. 14:59:04 <annegentle> nickchase: NOOOOooooo........ 14:59:08 <Sam-I-Am> :/ 14:59:09 <annegentle> nickchase: but I love nermina! 14:59:10 <nickchase> I know, that was my reaction. 14:59:13 <AJaeger> How sad ;( 14:59:34 <nickchase> On a personal level I'm thrilled for her. Professionally I'm very sad. 14:59:36 <annegentle> nickchase: hopefully you can use the OpenStack job board 14:59:39 <Sam-I-Am> alternative option... make the non-cloud company a cloud company. 14:59:44 <annegentle> Sam-I-Am: hee hee 14:59:48 <nickchase> sam-i-am: :) 14:59:49 <Sam-I-Am> everyone loves the cloud 14:59:51 <AJaeger> ;) 15:00:09 <nickchase> annegentle: I have someone in mind but if that doesn't work out i will 15:00:10 <annegentle> Ok that's a sad note to leave on, but if it's best for nermina then of course I'm happy for her! 15:00:19 <nickchase> exactly. 15:00:21 <annegentle> nickchase: excellent 15:00:31 <annegentle> thanks all! 15:00:33 <annegentle> #endmeeting