13:02:19 #startmeeting DocWebTeam 13:02:20 Meeting started Tue Dec 11 13:02:19 2012 UTC. The chair is annegentle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:02:21 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 13:02:23 The meeting name has been set to 'docwebteam' 13:02:35 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/Meetings/DocTeamMeeting 13:03:24 I probably should have looked up the last name for this meeting but oh well 13:03:26 welcome koolhead17 13:03:41 Ok, first item, actions from last meeting 13:03:42 hi annegentle_ fifieldt 13:03:56 argh! 13:04:02 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/doc_web/2012/doc_web.2012-11-13-13.06.html 13:04:08 * annegentle_ looks 13:04:18 * annegentle_ Anne to ask CI team if there's notification capability with a patch with DocImpact actually merges 13:04:24 Done, basically no. :) 13:04:47 I have been very specific on notifications on review.openstack.org Settings page and that helps me track API changes. But not code changes. 13:05:06 fifieldt: oh now I see why "argh!" :) 13:05:09 * annegentle_ fifieldt to send an followup email to the dev list thanking them for their response to the ":use docimpact" email 13:05:18 yes, unfortunately I didn't do this 13:05:27 fifieldt: you can do it this week, we're still seeing good response 13:05:28 the good news is, it's still able to be done 13:05:32 yes miss 13:05:35 * annegentle_ Anne to send summary report of Google Analytics info to openstack-doc mailing list 13:06:20 Done. #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2012-November/000304.html 13:06:34 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2012-November/000304.html 13:06:43 Der! 13:06:50 old paste :) 13:06:52 * annegentle_ Anne to investigate PDF file naming 13:06:59 Done. I'll report more on that during the Doc Tools portion. 13:07:04 cool 13:07:07 * annegentle_ Anne to send Dan Wendlandt a list of highest priority Quantum doc bugs 13:07:14 Done, Dan and team have been very responsive 13:07:25 * annegentle_ Anne to link to EmilienM's getting started doc from http://www.openstack.org/software/start/ 13:07:33 Done, right EmilienM -- 13:07:49 and last but not least. 13:07:50 * annegentle_ Anne to send email to Christian Berendt with proposal for moving forward with SLES OpenSuse install info 13:08:45 Done. This request was well-received, though I should follow up again. 13:08:53 ooh, cool 13:08:54 They have an entire guide in German. 13:08:58 :O 13:09:01 yeah! 13:09:03 awesome 13:09:18 But I've asked them to integrate into the Adv. guide (The Install and Deploy one). 13:09:34 sounds good 13:09:49 so that there can be a separate SLES guide (like Ubuntu and RHEL/Centos/Fedora have) 13:10:03 Whew! That's all the Actions. Any questions? 13:10:32 I need to use my IRC nick for Action assignment, I had just used "Anne." 13:10:57 So! Let's switch topics to Doc Bug Squash Day 13:11:10 #link http://webnumbr.com/untouched-bugs-in-openstack-manuals- 13:11:38 thanks I was just looking for that fifieldt 13:11:48 I thought I went GREAT, thanks fifieldt for all your hard work 13:12:02 Only bit of follow up is to do a few more back ports I believe to stable/folsom. 13:12:15 indeed, I've not been doing well in that department 13:12:18 I'm in training all week this week (annegentle_ learns Python the Hard Way) 13:12:28 do we need to go through say, the last month of commits, to check for backportability? 13:12:29 so realistically I won't get to it this week 13:12:43 fifieldt: yes we're nearly caught up but I keep having nagging feelings that it's not all there 13:12:52 annegentle_: fifieldt we need some cleanup as well :P 13:13:13 did anyone else sense that git's automatic merges were adding in spurious end tags? 13:13:16 from the docs and re drawing some of the diagrams/archs 13:13:17 or was that just me? 13:13:32 I only noticed that on that commit I commented on 13:13:34 it was strange 13:13:42 * koolhead17 has not made commit for sometime 13:14:41 I guess that's an action for all - to check out for end tag weirdness ? 13:14:41 fifieldt: we merged in 15+ patches 13:15:12 fifieldt: yeah. I also was trying to ensure any given patch wasn't affecting the same file 13:15:30 koolhead17: get on it man! :) Just kidding. 13:15:46 annegentle_: :D 13:15:51 What should our plans be for Thursday's code bug squash? 13:15:56 was sick for few days. feeling great today 13:15:58 Ideas: Keep an eye out for DocImpact. 13:16:00 will do some bug fix 13:16:29 koolhead17: awesome. I had the worst upper respiratory infection last week but it's clearing now… 13:16:48 nice 13:16:56 ouch 13:17:21 Well, we could also trawl the dev project's bugs looking for things which can be assisted by docs 13:17:25 but that's a lot of work 13:17:34 fifieldt: wow yeah. But a good task for a bug day 13:17:35 and there might be more to gain by just fixing our existing bugs 13:17:46 fifieldt: yes absolutely 13:17:49 annegentle_: and api realted changes 13:17:53 and wiki page changes 13:17:56 achges 13:18:01 *changes 13:18:07 koolhead17: that's a good clean up -- wiki. Esp. before the migration 13:18:10 which is the next topic. 13:18:18 and I keep doing /topic but it's not changing the topic? Anyway. 13:18:29 annegentle_: did you like my idea of adding bold "only for A/B/C" release" 13:18:34 try #topic 13:18:37 rather than /topic 13:18:43 so people using that don`t get confused 13:18:50 #topic wiki migration 13:19:01 thanks! fifieldt 13:19:07 * fifieldt hat tip 13:19:12 Just wanted to put it on our agenda in case there are any questions 13:19:21 I still need to respond to the question about the new contributor page 13:19:50 basically from talking to the CI team, waiting for the DNS switchover is the only likely "wait" period or delay for new contributors 13:19:57 annegentle_: i can work on the wiki page later tonight and add that extra line after going through all the pages about which version of OS it is supported 13:20:06 koolhead17: that would be great. 13:20:15 koolhead17 found that the "Flags" wiki page is for Essex 13:20:30 koolhead17: honestly you could just point it to the Folsom link 13:20:56 Add this code to wiki pages to indicate the page is outdated: <> 13:21:18 Since we don't really keep docs on the wiki, I'd prefer to prune more than keep. 13:21:41 I haven't done a wiki clean out for a while, so koolhead17 if you're up for it that would be great 13:21:45 annegentle_: yes i will do that as you suggested in your mail. and do you want me to add extra bold folt with one sence as well 13:21:47 awesome 13:22:05 saying limited to a/b/c release 13:22:14 i see some content for bexer release there 13:22:19 :) 13:22:25 koolhead17: see how http://wiki.openstack.org/Documentation just points to other places? That's the ideal to me. 13:22:26 eek 13:22:47 koolhead17: yeah :) I found notes from an install fest from 2 years back 13:22:54 annegentle_: :D 13:23:20 so either clean up or add tag along with a warning saying its restricted to pervious version support 13:23:24 Ok, moving along if there's no questions? 13:23:34 koolhead17: yeah with a preference to just CLEAN :) 13:23:38 all good 13:23:41 cool 13:23:46 #topic Doc Tools Update 13:24:02 David Cramer had to get kids to school this morning so I got his report yesterday 13:24:09 annegentle_: cool. let me ping you later tonight with pages which i feel totally outdated 13:24:15 and we can take call on the same then 13:24:19 They work in 3 week sprints, and in this next sprint they are working on automatically generating site map.xml 13:24:45 #info Maven Plugin working on auto-generating sitemap.xml at build time 13:24:56 They're also moving into the OpenStack CI infrastructure 13:25:12 The other area of interest to us is the PDF output file naming. 13:25:43 They're fixing the "bug" that is in 1.6.0 that means we can't use it -- PDF files are named based on date metadata and we don't name our PDF files that way. 13:25:57 we name PDF files using the "release name" variable in the pom.xml. 13:26:08 So we should be good to go 13:27:04 but not until the release at the end of their 3 week sprint 13:27:08 ok 13:27:16 when 1.6.1 comes out, we'll need to do a bunch of pom.xml work 13:27:23 to pull out the "postProcess" parts 13:27:29 since all that'll be automated 13:27:37 I hope to never open a bug again about the PDF link breaking! 13:28:05 and the site map.xml will help a bunch at release time, plus just make our google strength better 13:28:06 annegentle_: yeah :P 13:28:11 better/more accurate 13:28:21 ok snuck in one more agenda item before open discussion 13:28:25 brilliant 13:28:28 #topic Outreach Program for Women 13:28:45 Ok, we've been interviewing candidates and helping them with first patches. 13:28:55 oh cool! 13:28:56 Many are interested in coding, but I had a handful of doc candidates and I hope to get one! 13:29:09 I'll let you know if we get one! The selection process ends Dec 11 13:29:13 er. Today! 13:29:14 : 13:29:16 :) 13:29:28 yesterday ! :P 13:29:44 annegentle_: cool 13:29:48 I want to direct her mostly to API doc bugs, but that can change over the course of the internship. 13:29:51 so we will ahve some helping hand 13:29:56 The start period isn't until January. 13:30:03 grr 13:30:21 koolhead17: yep! And we'll need to help her too - she's starting from zero OpenStack knowledge but already has a patch, it's a requirement of the program. 13:30:23 but if someone is really interested in contributing wont mind starting right away 13:30:24 IMHO 13:30:41 yeah I bet she will actually unless she has school obligations 13:30:52 annegentle_: cool. 13:30:52 The program is intended for students in the southern hemisphere at this time of year. 13:31:01 so she will be 40 hours a week on OpenStack docs. 13:31:05 I am on leave from work from ~today to January 14th ... I might have time to help 13:31:06 * annegentle_ does a happy dance 13:31:16 fifieldt: fabulous!! I'll intro her when I can announce 13:31:33 Ok, good timing, at a half hour! Nice. 13:31:40 #topic Open discussion 13:31:57 ok 13:32:03 fifieldt: awesome :D 13:32:14 got more for us Anne? or shall the rabble start pitching in now? :) 13:32:24 :D 13:32:25 sure! 13:32:30 :) That's all I got. 13:32:42 so, just throwing out one of the things from the ML 13:32:49 Do we want to try and set a Grizzly bug day 13:32:51 well in advance 13:32:54 so we can all be free-ish 13:33:03 fifieldt: +1 13:33:04 :D 13:33:05 to ensure that when grizzly goes live 13:33:13 those listed against it's milestone are in 13:33:19 s/those/those bugs 13:33:34 fifieldt: annegentle_ lets find someone who can help us with cleaning the arch diagram and some other stuff 13:33:36 fifieldt: great idea 13:33:51 am not sure in nova-network and nova-volume will b there in grizzly 13:34:05 fifieldt: do you have an idea of how much G1 is undocumented? I haven't really analyzed. 13:34:22 well 13:34:39 #link https://launchpad.net/openstack-manuals/+milestone/grizzly 13:34:44 I've been not working on grizzly bugs 13:34:45 some features like nova-cells and also if vendors want we can add there drivers in cinder doc 13:34:51 in preference for ones that affect folsom 13:34:57 fifieldt: wow, 32 g1 doc tasks 13:35:15 koolhead17: did nova cells make it in finally? It didn't make G1 13:35:33 annegentle_: it will to G hopefuuly :P 13:35:35 #info 32 G1 doc tasks recorded, ready for someone to work on 13:35:39 * fifieldt is using cells in production :P 13:35:45 fifieldt: nice :) 13:35:57 fifieldt: :D 13:36:13 fifieldt: so can we add that somewhere to be added in the doc 13:36:18 I did want to mention that we'll try for an Operators Doc Sprint in Februrary 2014. 13:36:22 and removing many other stuff 13:36:23 eek! 2013! 13:36:24 already got a bug lodged koolhead17 13:36:34 tehehe 13:36:37 annegentle_: lets do that. 13:36:40 fifieldt: waoo cool 13:36:58 koolhead17, https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1075669 13:36:59 Launchpad bug 1075669 in openstack-manuals "grizzly: Support for cells in Compute (nova)" [Undecided,New] 13:37:15 #action annegentle_ to write a proposal to Foundation requesting funding of Doc Sprint in Feb 2013 including Adam Hyde as facilitator 13:37:59 So how can we time a date in advance? Is it right around G2 that we'll want another doc bug sprint? 13:38:19 #link http://wiki.openstack.org/GrizzlyReleaseSchedule 13:38:33 I think after G3 13:38:43 Was a Tuesday a good day of the week? I liked it. 13:38:44 because there's a chance things change 13:38:52 I've already seen some options that changed names 13:38:59 in processing DocIMpacts 13:39:06 fifieldt: yeah correct 13:39:09 so we don't want to do it too early, imo 13:39:16 fifieldt: ok, that makes sense then. 13:39:27 fifieldt: it'll run up into that Doc Sprint proposed though, but maybe that's ok 13:39:33 and good timing even 13:39:57 annegentle_: so when are you thinking to have it after G3 13:40:16 or what about Tues Feb 19, right before G3? 13:40:32 the proposal for the Doc sprint is Feb 25-29 13:40:53 that could work - 13:40:53 G3 is Feb 28 13:40:58 get a head start on doc bugs 13:41:00 yes works for me 13:41:04 then do the doc sprint 13:41:10 it's tight but gives us good data 13:41:15 cool 13:41:21 * annegentle_ needs to get that proposal done! 13:41:41 Okay, what else is going on? 13:41:43 * annegentle_ thinks 13:42:08 I'll try to do a doc status report tomorrow for the week 13:42:23 Seriously, great work on the doc bug day. That was fantastic. 13:42:30 bugs <100 before end of year? 13:42:37 fifieldt: YES. 13:42:45 how ? :D 13:43:17 fifieldt: let's see if the Intern can help in Dec… and I'll rally some groups at the Rack. 13:43:24 :) 13:43:28 annegentle_: cool 13:43:31 and? Maybe your mailing list post will inspire? 13:43:48 hmm, maybe we need another mailing list post for inspiration 13:43:51 annegentle_: which mail? 13:43:53 :P 13:43:55 AT&T wants to contribute more, how can I match doc bugs with a person there? 13:43:55 asking for help from those devs in the know 13:44:03 what are they interested in? 13:44:09 fifieldt: your note of gratitude for using DocImpact 13:44:14 yup 13:44:17 fifieldt: not sure, that's a good starting question. 13:44:26 also here in meetup am expecting some contribution starting to happen soon 13:44:27 :) 13:44:34 met som eenthu folks/kids 13:44:40 *enthu 13:44:51 koolhead17: oh yeah? 13:44:58 AT&T: "a developer-centric cloud." The service will be focused on providing developers of cloud apps low-cost entry into AT&T's hosting services, and a choice of public or private access, as well as an option for "bare-metal" provisioning of hardware for developers requiring specific server configurations, and options for cloud storage, network configuration and monitoring. 13:45:06 koolhead17: do we need a better "here's how you get started with docs?" 13:45:22 annegentle_: i will blog one tonight :P 13:45:24 fifieldt: yep, they're operating plenty… Essex I believe. 13:45:28 koolhead17: oh good idea 13:45:34 they're involved in the bare metal stuff in grizzly? 13:45:51 and also planning to get the same published in some other blog pages too 13:46:17 fifieldt: it be great if they can help us including that part in our doc 13:46:24 aye 13:46:32 anyway, we have a wall of work 13:46:37 so they can work on their interest :) 13:46:45 That's all from me 13:46:58 :P 13:47:00 okay, cool. 13:47:10 I'm good to go -- call it a wrap! 13:47:24 #endmeeting