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08:01:05 <mattoliverau> o/
08:01:10 <cmurphy> o/
08:01:14 <diablo_rojo> Hello :)
08:01:29 <mattoliverau> I think antonio wanted to join this meeting let me ping him
08:01:46 <diablo_rojo> gmann, around?
08:02:06 <aojea> o/
08:02:16 <mattoliverau> hey aojea :)
08:02:21 <mattoliverau> you made it
08:02:23 <diablo_rojo> Hello aojea :)
08:02:30 <aojea> hi, s
08:02:55 <aojea> apologise for the delay :)
08:03:25 <mattoliverau> aojea: is my manger and all round great guy, whose interested in reaching new devs and breaking down walls etc.
08:03:44 <diablo_rojo> Excellent :)
08:03:54 <diablo_rojo> Always happy to have new people
08:04:39 <diablo_rojo> Give one more minute to wait for gmann and then we can get started.
08:04:43 <mattoliverau> so, its been a while. how's everyone been? I think we had some follow up items from the summit right
08:04:56 <diablo_rojo> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/First_Contact_SIG#Meeting_Agenda Agenda
08:05:21 <cmurphy> i think gmann said in #openstack-u-i that he wouldn't be able to join
08:05:40 <diablo_rojo> Oh okay we can get started then.
08:05:56 <diablo_rojo> #topic New Contributor Patches
08:06:33 <diablo_rojo> Definitely still getting back into the normal rhythm of things so I havent had much time to look at how they are going but hopefully since the summit there are some new patches to review?
08:06:45 <mattoliverau> I noticed there are a few new patches.. but was kinda really busy this week to contact them. os-brick horizon, tempest to name a few
08:07:19 <diablo_rojo> I can poke some people/ review the os-brick one
08:07:54 <diablo_rojo> Maybe gmann can look at the tempest one.
08:07:55 <mattoliverau> cool. I'll see who I can ping to look at the others. gmann could probably do tempest
08:08:08 <diablo_rojo> mattoliverau, cool yeah I think he could.
08:08:15 <myrat> wossap
08:08:26 <aojea> I have one questions, what happens with the patches that seems abandoned or are stuck for a long time?
08:08:30 <diablo_rojo> I kinda figured none of us would have done the homework for this meeting, but maybe for next week.
08:08:52 <mattoliverau> I bought up the searches... so was kinda 1/2 there :P
08:09:01 <diablo_rojo> aojea, for abandoned patches thats kind of the end of the road.
08:09:27 <mattoliverau> depends on how their stuck too.
08:09:40 <diablo_rojo> For patches that are stuck without reviews we try to poke at people to review them. If they are stuck becuase the author hasnt done updates we can try to email them but at this point we havent gone that far.
08:09:48 <mattoliverau> we have a bunch of liasons which we get to join the patches to help mentor and shepherd them.
08:10:10 <mattoliverau> Not sure what else we can do without creeply stalk them.
08:10:30 <mattoliverau> I hope whoever is on the review, tries to review often and help with encouragement
08:10:52 <mattoliverau> things that are too old and we never got to, because the sig is new.. well I dunno to be honest.
08:11:01 <diablo_rojo> Yeah.. We can reach out to them to the email they have provided in gerrit, but that I think is a little extreme since they will get emails about our reviews.
08:11:05 <mattoliverau> try and ping the person and see if they respond
08:11:14 <diablo_rojo> If they are on irc.
08:11:57 <mattoliverau> sometimes I wish gerrit ids/emails matched irc nicks better :P
08:12:36 <diablo_rojo> Ha ha I prefer to make people work for it ;)
08:12:50 <diablo_rojo> aojea, did we answer your questions well enough?
08:13:25 <mattoliverau> suggesions are always welcome, cause I'm no expert just someone who cares.
08:13:38 <diablo_rojo> Same :)
08:13:48 <diablo_rojo> Always willing to listen to feedback
08:13:53 <diablo_rojo> Lets move on
08:14:06 <diablo_rojo> #topic Ask.o.o
08:14:16 <diablo_rojo> Anyone do this homework?
08:14:16 <mattoliverau> I didn't see anything new
08:14:42 <diablo_rojo> Thats alright.
08:14:48 <mattoliverau> so either no new contributor is using ask.o.o or we need to fiddle with the topics again
08:15:04 <mattoliverau> but all we can do is keep a look out
08:15:08 <diablo_rojo> I think fiddling with tags might be a good idea.
08:15:30 <diablo_rojo> I think the fact that we are constantly watching is better than before when a lot of them would go unanswered for a while.
08:15:50 <diablo_rojo> If we wanted to get proactive we could keep seeding the site with questions and good answers.
08:16:20 <mattoliverau> we are aleast more proactive then people used to be.
08:16:35 <diablo_rojo> I consider that an improvement in itself.
08:16:47 <mattoliverau> I guess we just need to keep adding tags that come to mind that a new contributor might use
08:16:58 <diablo_rojo> Yup.
08:17:10 <diablo_rojo> I think some of the ones we have further down on the agenda would be good.
08:17:18 <diablo_rojo> We can get to that in a bit.
08:17:25 <diablo_rojo> Shall we move on?
08:17:33 <mattoliverau> yup
08:18:04 <diablo_rojo> #topic Forum Recap
08:18:30 <diablo_rojo> So I think the first session we had the Ops Inclusion one could have gone better..
08:18:42 <mattoliverau> yeah, some Ops would have helped
08:18:51 <diablo_rojo> Would have been nice to have actual operators there rather than the same voices :)
08:19:08 <diablo_rojo> I wanted to add a follow up but I got too busy and then too tired.
08:19:19 <diablo_rojo> I guess its something we will need to just keep trying again.
08:19:30 <diablo_rojo> And go bother the operators during the PTG.
08:19:34 <mattoliverau> we need to target the next ops meet up /me thinks
08:19:42 <diablo_rojo> mattoliverau, +1
08:19:46 <mattoliverau> lol, could we stop saying the same thing at the same time :P
08:19:52 <diablo_rojo> It will be in conjunction with the PTG
08:19:59 <diablo_rojo> Great minds and all that crap.
08:20:25 <mattoliverau> yup, great minds think alike and fools never differ... I'm hoping on the former :P
08:20:49 <diablo_rojo> That would be nice- I think it varies on the day though.
08:20:54 <mattoliverau> I think even though we had the same dev voices, at least we came out with some kind of plan.
08:21:02 <diablo_rojo> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FC-SIG-Ops-Inclusion Etherpad from the Ops Inclusion Discussions
08:21:17 <diablo_rojo> Not much in terms of notes as we didnt make a ton of progress sadly
08:21:53 <mattoliverau> well we need to build out the ops side of the contributor guide as much as we can
08:21:55 <diablo_rojo> Basically its just a lot of education of other groups who we are and what we do and what we need help with
08:22:05 <mattoliverau> yeah
08:23:00 <mattoliverau> but something in superuser or something might help. and the user survey
08:23:06 <diablo_rojo> I suppose we could try to submit talks lightning or otherwise on what the FC SIG is and what the contributor guide is
08:23:24 <mattoliverau> yeah, good idea.
08:23:24 <diablo_rojo> What do you think should go in the survey?
08:23:43 <mattoliverau> not sure, just thinking about what operators would be looking at
08:23:50 <diablo_rojo> Ah okay
08:24:10 <diablo_rojo> Another super user post about how the OUI went this round with the contributor guide could work
08:24:26 <diablo_rojo> and put a call for help building out the other sections- specifically ops
08:24:34 <mattoliverau> +1
08:24:42 <diablo_rojo> Wanna help me? :)
08:24:54 <diablo_rojo> I suppose you werent there for the OUI bit
08:25:04 <mattoliverau> nope, I was in Fiji ;)
08:25:08 <diablo_rojo> :P
08:25:18 <diablo_rojo> Okay well I will add that to my todo list.
08:25:27 <diablo_rojo> Shouldn't take long to knock out.
08:25:33 <mattoliverau> And _was_ very jetlagged on the day we had this fishbowl :P
08:26:16 <diablo_rojo> The other session we had- Reqs for Organisations contributing to openstack went better I felt.
08:26:28 <mattoliverau> Maybe use the openstack blog to say who we are (FC SIG) and what we're trying to do, including building up for the ops side.
08:26:28 <diablo_rojo> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack Etherpad from the discussion
08:26:42 <mattoliverau> or an update
08:27:09 <mattoliverau> I'll see if I can write something. I think my blog is federated or whatever it's called on the openstack one.
08:27:31 <diablo_rojo> That would be super awesome.
08:27:42 <diablo_rojo> You do that and I do the superuser and we should be well covered
08:27:51 <mattoliverau> kk
08:28:02 <mattoliverau> yeah the other one went better.
08:28:16 <mattoliverau> This one would have been of more interest to aojea as well
08:28:44 <mattoliverau> it would have been nice if more people with issues connecting to the openstack community were there though
08:28:50 <aojea> the openstack blog you mean?
08:29:08 <mattoliverau> sorry no the  https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/Reqs-for-Organisations-Contributing-to-OpenStack
08:29:10 <diablo_rojo> aojea, the reqs for organisations contributing to openstack session
08:29:36 <diablo_rojo> mattoliverau, yeah that would have been nice. Simultaneously I feel like we have a solid list to start from
08:30:10 <diablo_rojo> I havent seen fungi's email summary of it yet but I remember him mentioning working on it
08:30:14 <mattoliverau> the topic all started becuase there were people who found it hard to contribute because tech barriers from their company side
08:30:22 <mattoliverau> cool
08:30:35 <mattoliverau> aojea: ^
08:31:10 <diablo_rojo> And mattoliverau, you volunteered to add this to the contributor guide ;)
08:31:22 <diablo_rojo> Its in the notes so its practically written in stone ;)
08:31:33 <mattoliverau> So we started thinking about a document we can place on the contributor guide that will help instruct what companies need to provide as a starting point
08:32:09 <aojea> yeah, also I will include the tools, I see that younger developers are used to work with more "UI oriented" tools
08:32:16 <mattoliverau> but it's where things like barriers with things like weechat or slack might or lack of irc can come in
08:32:26 <diablo_rojo> I think this level could work: https://docs.openstack.org/contributors/
08:32:43 <mattoliverau> diablo_rojo: yeah... thats right. I'll wait for fungi's updates ;)
08:32:46 <diablo_rojo> Or it should be in common so it applies to all of them
08:33:48 <mattoliverau> aojea: that's understandable. getting others already in the community there is the hard part
08:34:10 <mattoliverau> maybe we need infra to run something like a rocket chat instance.
08:34:28 <mattoliverau> thats kinda like slack and oss (i think)
08:34:40 <mattoliverau> though I don't have much slack experience myself.
08:35:21 <cmurphy> segregating new people into a different communication forum is not the way to integrate them into the community
08:35:30 <mattoliverau> true
08:35:31 <aojea> indeed
08:35:32 <diablo_rojo> cmurphy, I agree.
08:35:33 <cmurphy> that's not really related to requirements for contributing organizations though
08:35:43 <mattoliverau> no
08:36:07 <diablo_rojo> Making companies aware and okay with the network and necessary ports is important.
08:36:49 <diablo_rojo> Man would it be great if they were all allowed to have bouncers or some other way of being signed in all the time too.
08:36:53 <mattoliverau> I think aojea is talking about helping newer generations of devs get involved. and using what they use etc. so still an interesting discussion.
08:37:05 <mattoliverau> diablo_rojo: +1 to that.
08:37:06 <diablo_rojo> irccloud?
08:38:30 <diablo_rojo> Anything else we want to discuss here?
08:39:10 <mattoliverau> yeah, is there an irccloud like thing thats OSS that maybe we could host. So therefor provide bouncers in a way if you want to use it to store your account.
08:39:39 <mattoliverau> I'm just brainstorming out loud, feel free to say shutup ;P
08:39:45 <diablo_rojo> Not sure, might be something we could discuss with infra.
08:40:06 <diablo_rojo> When fungi reads the logs in his morning maybe he can provide insight :)
08:40:12 * diablo_rojo waves to future fungi
08:40:17 <mattoliverau> something that could use your openstack id, so you could easily match up nicks ;)
08:41:01 <cmurphy> there is riot/matrix which has a built-in bridge to freenode, nothing for infra to host
08:41:14 <mattoliverau> yeah that's true
08:41:43 <mattoliverau> the bridge is interesting, I've used it before. but it does work and keeps you logged in.
08:41:51 <diablo_rojo> Maybe we could add mention of that in the IRC section of the guie
08:41:53 <cmurphy> (channeling aspiers here ;))
08:41:59 <diablo_rojo> *guide
08:42:00 <mattoliverau> took me some getting used too.
08:42:09 <mattoliverau> :)
08:42:17 <diablo_rojo> I feel like theres enough we could make an advanced IRC section
08:42:36 <diablo_rojo> with bouncers and ping words and bridges and whatnot
08:43:08 <mattoliverau> slack used to have a bridge, or at least allowed me to log into slack from my irc client. not sure about the other way.
08:43:09 <cmurphy> an advanced irc section sounds useful
08:43:17 <mattoliverau> +1
08:43:20 <aojea> +1
08:43:51 <diablo_rojo> I can make the story for that tomorrow unless someone else wants to jump on it before I wake up.
08:44:05 <cmurphy> but people always get hung up on irc being so difficult because they think it requires all those advanced things, i think it's important to be clear that you can totally do useful work with just pidgin or whatever
08:44:13 <diablo_rojo> https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/project/913
08:44:14 <mattoliverau> nah, I'm having dinner as soon as this is over :)
08:44:35 <diablo_rojo> Agreed cmurphy.
08:44:37 <mattoliverau> cmurphy: thats a good point
08:44:58 <diablo_rojo> I think having a 'here's the basics' section and a 'here's if you wanna be awesome' section
08:45:14 <cmurphy> ++
08:45:25 <aojea> hexchat vs tmux + irssi XD
08:45:27 <mattoliverau> the real barrier to IRC and the youngin's is no gifs and memes :P
08:45:44 <mattoliverau> aojea: lol
08:45:50 <diablo_rojo> Just gotta go for the classic ascii art
08:45:57 <cmurphy> aojea: you mean screen + weechat :P
08:46:16 <aojea> ;)
08:47:37 <mattoliverau> anything else on this topic for tonight? (I can smell slow cooked lamb)
08:47:39 <diablo_rojo> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
08:47:45 <diablo_rojo> I dont think so.
08:47:57 <diablo_rojo> #topic New ask.o.o tags
08:48:25 <diablo_rojo> I say we add the first like.. 6 tags from the proposed list to our watch list
08:48:35 <mattoliverau> I should probably run some queries on those others and see if anything new was turned up using them.
08:48:46 <diablo_rojo> so everything but the last three- howto, initial, and interest
08:48:59 <mattoliverau> sure, doesn't hurt to try
08:49:12 <diablo_rojo> Cool. Will do that tomorrow as well.
08:49:23 <mattoliverau> can we make some super query with all the tags or'ed?
08:49:36 <mattoliverau> I assume we can somehow
08:49:39 <aojea> regarding askbot, do you have stats to see the impact of the tags?
08:49:42 <diablo_rojo> I'm not sure but I can play around with it a bit tomorrow.
08:50:41 <diablo_rojo> Okay
08:50:47 <aojea> I mean, if some tag is more used than others, to understand the users behaviours
08:51:10 <mattoliverau> aojea: the current tags are just me going through all the tags at about 2 months ago that seemed relevent, and on a search had something vagly relevent from the past.
08:51:13 <diablo_rojo> Ah. I'm not sure we have anything that sophistciated.
08:51:26 <mattoliverau> askbot uses something
08:51:35 <mattoliverau> because when you look at the list of tags
08:51:50 <mattoliverau> the bigger they are the more they're used
08:52:09 <mattoliverau> #link https://ask.openstack.org/en/tags/
08:53:46 <diablo_rojo> Anything else on this topic?
08:53:50 <aojea> that can be useful
08:54:05 <aojea> didn't expect to see "migrated" as the second most popular tag
08:54:27 <diablo_rojo> I expect that its mostly in reference to volumes or instances.
08:54:32 <mattoliverau> maybe... it could be the biggest problem :P
08:54:45 <diablo_rojo> #topic Open Discussion
08:56:04 <diablo_rojo> Tomorrow I will send out the email being all- PTL's you are our liaison unless you delegate or have already delegated.
08:56:30 <diablo_rojo> Thats all I had
08:56:31 <mattoliverau> sounds good to me.
08:56:49 <mattoliverau> then we'll at least have project coverage
08:57:35 <mattoliverau> 3 minutes, shall we end it and let diablo_rojo sleep?
08:58:10 <diablo_rojo> If no one has anything else.
08:58:20 <mattoliverau> nope
08:58:34 <diablo_rojo> Alright then!
08:58:43 <diablo_rojo> Night/Morning everyone :)
08:58:45 <diablo_rojo> #endmeeting