15:01:03 <ad_rien_> #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds 15:01:04 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Sep 13 15:01:03 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_rien_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:05 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:07 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' 15:01:21 <parus> Good Morning/Afternoon 15:01:22 <ad_rien_> #chair ad_rien_ 15:01:22 <openstack> Current chairs: ad_rien_ 15:01:26 <ad_rien_> #chair parus 15:01:27 <openstack> Current chairs: ad_rien_ parus 15:01:34 <ad_rien_> #topic roll call 15:01:38 <ad_rien_> Hi guys 15:01:44 <ansmith> o/ 15:01:48 <dpertin> hi o/ 15:02:03 <kgiusti> o/ 15:02:05 <ad_rien_> So as usual please put your name on the etherpad line 1159 15:02:10 <msimonin> hey o/ 15:02:22 <rcherrueau> o/ 15:02:23 <ad_rien_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2017 (Agenda line 1157) 15:02:24 <dancn> hi o/ 15:02:41 <Joao_M_Soares> hi all 15:02:43 <reedip_> hi 15:02:56 <parus> Welcome Joao... is this your first meeting? 15:02:57 <ad_rien_> Hi reedip_ ? 15:03:20 <ad_rien_> reedip_: Joao_M_Soares could you please introduce yourself please? 15:03:57 <reedip_> Hi , I am reedip banerjee, ( nick reedip, reedip_ ) working with NEC on Openstack since L release 15:04:11 <Joao_M_Soares> yes, first meeting for me. My name is João, researcher at Ericsson. Been working with OpenStack scalability, mostly exploring p2p approaches 15:04:20 <parus> Welcome reedip_ 15:04:38 <ad_rien_> reedip_: could you please elaborate a bit more on your interests w-r-t the FEMDC team/WG ? 15:04:45 <ad_rien_> Joao_M_Soares: nice to see you there 15:05:27 <reedip_> I am currently researching on IoT and edge cloud, so this is my first meeting 15:05:32 <ad_rien_> ok cool 15:05:53 <ad_rien_> If you have a particular use-case in mind, it would be great to share it (but later in the meeting, thanks) 15:05:57 <ad_rien_> ok so let's start 15:06:09 <ad_rien_> #topic annoucement 15:06:33 <ad_rien_> parus: can you please give a short summary of the last session of OpenDev (I was not able to attend it) 15:06:48 <parus> Sure. 15:06:53 <ad_rien_> I read the etherpad but maybe you can briefly let us know what are the key takeway messages 15:07:26 <parus> Last week in SF there was an openstack dev group meeting for two full days of sessions on Edge Computing. 15:08:10 <parus> There was a lot of interest. Many links have been posted on etherpad. Feel free to surf. This morning I even found some videos on you tube. so I made a playlist for your enjoyment. 15:08:28 <parus> In particular, you may be able to see me participating in a session on architecture. 15:08:41 <ad_rien_> ok do you know what will be the followup ? 15:08:59 <ad_rien_> I read in the pad that Michael (and probably you) will arrange additional discussions? 15:09:06 <ad_rien_> How this should be organized? 15:09:13 <parus> There will be follow-up sessions that on architecture that Verizon, AT&T and myself have volunteered for. 15:09:17 <ad_rien_> Should it occur through the FEMDC meetings? 15:09:20 <parus> I think Adrien did as well. 15:09:37 <parus> The immediate action is to plan for Sydney where there will be more meetings. 15:09:43 <ad_rien_> ok 15:09:43 <ad_rien_> thanks 15:09:54 <parus> From an FEMDC perspective, 15:10:06 <parus> We did some promoting of the work of the group. 15:10:09 <reedip_> is there a paper from FEMDC in Sydney ? 15:10:27 <msimonin> reed: 15:10:27 <parus> reedip_: There are two activities. 15:10:32 <ad_rien_> reedip_: what kind of paper are you looking for ? 15:10:45 <ad_rien_> they will be two presentations and the F2F meeting 15:10:48 <msimonin> reedip_: there are presentations rether than "papers" 15:10:49 <reedip_> just asking if there is a session 15:10:53 <ad_rien_> ok 15:10:54 <ad_rien_> so yes 15:11:09 <reedip_> yeah sorry, I had a habit of saying papers :P , because its kind of a CFP 15:11:22 <msimonin> P stands for Presentation :) 15:11:23 <ad_rien_> as parus mentioned : two presentations (one on EnOS, a utility to perform performance campaign of openstack and the second one on use-cases) 15:11:25 <parus> There will be a presentation, and there will be a workgroup f2f. you will find links in earlier etherpads 15:11:39 <ad_rien_> ok 15:12:03 <ad_rien_> BTW I would like to thank parus for his involvements during thes two days in SF. 15:12:09 <ad_rien_> You did great job ;) 15:12:12 <ad_rien_> Thanks for your support ! 15:12:20 <parus> Thank you for the opportunity! 15:12:35 <Joao_M_Soares> ad_rien_: +1 to that. Great job parus 15:13:00 <parus> Any more questions? 15:13:09 <ad_rien_> not from my side, let's wait and see 15:13:21 <ad_rien_> ok two other information to share 15:13:27 <ad_rien_> There should be two presentations: 15:13:37 <ad_rien_> one regarding the OpenStack ++ project 15:13:48 <ad_rien_> that is supported by the OpenEdgeComputing initiative 15:14:28 <ad_rien_> I do not have too much details but the presentation will be through a webex bridge 15:14:31 <ad_rien_> on Thursday 9/21. 15:14:46 <ad_rien_> at 14 UTC 15:15:02 <ad_rien_> I will confirm that by mail. If you are interested to attend it please add your email just below 15:15:11 <ad_rien_> (line 1177) 15:15:25 <ad_rien_> finally, We have to arrange another webconference with folks from Ericsson 15:15:45 <ad_rien_> Joao_M_Soares: would you please open a doodle (or something similar) in order to arrange such a presentation? 15:15:57 <ad_rien_> The idea is that you give an overview of the work you did at Ericsson 15:16:00 <ad_rien_> and the motivation 15:16:01 <ad_rien_> thanks 15:16:07 <Joao_M_Soares> ad_rien_: sure! will do that 15:16:31 <ad_rien_> #action Joao_M_Soares Open a doodle to arrange a webconf on Ericsson P2P activities 15:16:34 <ad_rien_> thanks 15:17:02 <ad_rien_> Finally, we start to brainstorm with parus in particular on a possible roadmap for the next cycle (i.e. vancouver) 15:17:15 * ad_rien_ is looking for the link 15:17:50 <ad_rien_> #link roadmap proposal for Vancouver https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/FEDMC_OpenDev_WhatSNext 15:18:18 <ad_rien_> you can go through (ammend/complete/...) 15:18:19 <parus> ad_rien_: Thank you for putting that together. 15:18:20 <ad_rien_> Feel free 15:18:43 <reedip_> this is too much information :) 15:18:47 <ad_rien_> ok I think that's all from my side 15:18:54 <ad_rien_> Any other information/news to share? 15:18:58 <parus> Before vancouver... there will be sydney... 15:19:07 <ad_rien_> +1 ;) 15:19:17 <parus> There is an invitation to start brainstorming on sydney 15:19:22 <ad_rien_> We should see how progressing on the use-case question 15:19:42 <parus> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Forum/Sydney2017 15:19:58 <ad_rien_> good point 15:20:03 <ad_rien_> thanks parus for highlighting that 15:20:21 <ad_rien_> do you know what is the deadline ? 15:20:34 <parus> I just saw it this very morning. 15:21:01 <ad_rien_> #action add to the agenda: discussion on possible forum sessions 15:21:11 <parus> I think we want to take the lead and set-up a session on edge. 15:21:34 <ad_rien_> yes 15:21:44 <ad_rien_> but we should consider that we also have our F2F meeting 15:21:59 <ad_rien_> so we should find enough materials to avoid redundancies 15:22:04 <ad_rien_> maybe we can have more specific sessions 15:22:25 <parus> Agreed: Maybe we want to make our meeting the session? or maybe we want to invite others to contribute in an open session? 15:22:31 <ad_rien_> (we have also to consider who already planned to go in Sydney, if I'm right most of us will not be able to attend this summit) 15:22:49 <parus> Good point. But at opendev many said they would 15:22:59 <parus> and Verizon and AT&T in particular 15:23:09 <ad_rien_> Ok 15:23:23 <ad_rien_> so I propose that we put that to our agenda next time as a priority point to discuss ? 15:23:24 <ad_rien_> ok ? 15:23:29 <parus> OK 15:23:46 <ad_rien_> ok 15:24:04 <ad_rien_> sorry one more point to announce 15:24:13 <ad_rien_> tomorrow 5 UTC there is the WG chairs meeting 15:24:56 <ad_rien_> I will attend it but it would be nice if we can turn ;) 15:24:59 <ad_rien_> next time 15:25:06 <ad_rien_> In particular when it is 5 UTC ;-) 15:25:19 <ad_rien_> ok 15:25:23 <ad_rien_> any thing else ? 15:25:31 <ad_rien_> so let's move on the ongoing activities 15:25:39 <ad_rien_> #topic ongoing activities 15:25:50 <ad_rien_> #topic AMPQ 15:25:59 <ad_rien_> ansmith: msimonin kgiusti 15:26:06 <ad_rien_> please the floor is yours 15:26:09 <kgiusti> Hi 15:26:36 <kgiusti> Last two weeks were lots of distractions for me - so not much in the way of progress (epad updated) 15:26:56 <kgiusti> significant: vhost/cells issue for amqp1 fixed in pike stable (and master) 15:27:13 <kgiusti> so nova should Just Work with amqp1 now in pike 15:27:31 <msimonin> nice ! :) 15:27:32 <kgiusti> Some ombt2 work - not checked in yet - to gather better stats for fanout and cast 15:27:57 <msimonin> kgiusti: let me know if I can help on ombt (code/testing) 15:28:06 <kgiusti> but PTG prep, queens planning, and qpid release activities have swamped me last week 15:28:33 <kgiusti> msimonin: will do - once I get ombt2 changes finalized I'd like your review and any tests you might want to throw at it 15:28:57 <msimonin> kgiusti: ack 15:29:06 <ad_rien_> kgiusti: are you attending the PTG in Denver? 15:29:08 <kgiusti> kolla-ansible still hasn't merged our patch - likely due to PTG work things have been quiet 15:29:30 <kgiusti> ad_rien_: not physically - oslo PTG has us in a video conf 15:29:47 <kgiusti> that's about it - questions? 15:29:53 <ad_rien_> great…. 15:30:14 <ad_rien_> maybe we lost the slot… It would have been great to talk about the cockroach prototype. 15:30:22 <ad_rien_> with OSLO folks at least 15:30:39 <ad_rien_> no questions/comments? 15:30:45 <msimonin> regarding amqp I've put some info on the epad 15:31:07 <ad_rien_> #topic cockroach-db 15:31:13 <kgiusti> msimonin: nice - will check that topology out 15:31:25 <rcherrueau> hey 15:31:58 <rcherrueau> the POC is still available on GitHub. Feel free to give it a try :) 15:32:07 <rcherrueau> #link https://github.com/BeyondTheClouds/openstack-cockroachdb-dev 15:32:39 <rcherrueau> I also made an email on OpenStack mailing list 15:32:45 <rcherrueau> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-September/121779.html 15:33:00 <rcherrueau> If you have any comments, do not hesitate to contribute there 15:33:07 <msimonin> kgiusti: I've a pet project at https://github.com/msimonin/qpid-dispatch-generator 15:33:33 <rcherrueau> I'm currently addressing lbragstad request to push some code we made to gerrit 15:33:55 <kgiusti> ansmith: ^^^ 15:34:00 <msimonin> Do you have a link to the review ? 15:34:08 <ad_rien_> maybe it makes sense to just send a reminder of the achieved work. 15:34:13 <rcherrueau> But it would be cool if some of you could help me on making cockroachdb supports sql migration 15:34:21 <ad_rien_> Just to try to get some feedbacks from core-devs (keystone, oslo, ...) 15:34:36 <rcherrueau> with either sqlalchemy-migrate or alembic 15:35:01 <rcherrueau> Next for me is writing a Testplan 15:35:29 <ad_rien_> just a question 15:35:36 <ad_rien_> we are currently writing testplan for AMQP 15:35:38 <rcherrueau> something similar to what ansmith kgiusti and msimonin are doing on amqp 15:35:40 <ad_rien_> for cockroach for .... 15:35:45 <parus> rcherrueau: is there a place where the usecase for cockroach is described? 15:35:56 <ad_rien_> does it make sense to define a testplan for fog/edge infrastructure? 15:36:16 <ansmith> msimonin: cool generator 15:36:27 <rcherrueau> parus: no 15:36:31 <ad_rien_> :-P 15:37:04 <parus> rcherrueau: can you try that? or if you give me some background I can attempt it. 15:37:07 <ad_rien_> the idea of investigating cockroach is related to the need to be able to distribute the SQL DB 15:37:21 <ad_rien_> this is suitable for several use-cases: 15:37:37 <ad_rien_> every control services in one DC and only compute nodes. 15:37:40 <rcherrueau> parus: OK 15:37:42 <parus> At Opendev, Ian Wells and I talked about distributing keystone. 15:37:48 <parus> Would that be the use case? 15:37:54 <ad_rien_> If you want to be able to scale you need to distribute your DBs 15:37:54 <rcherrueau> parus: yep 15:38:11 <rcherrueau> parus: One use case could be, several regions 15:38:13 <ad_rien_> either wirh Galera or other technologies. Galera does not scale, so we are looking to other solutions 15:38:18 <rcherrueau> parus: one keystone per region 15:38:34 <rcherrueau> parus: and they are all synchronized with cockroachdb 15:38:36 <ad_rien_> thanks to cockroach you can distribute services that relies on a SQL DB accross several regions 15:38:44 <ad_rien_> several geographical locations 15:39:09 <parus> OK. I will take an action to write up a description of that and run it by you for next meeting. 15:40:18 <parus> Unless you want to take first crack at it. 15:40:30 <msimonin> ansmith: thanks :) 15:41:50 <rcherrueau> that's all for me 15:41:53 <ad_rien_> thanks 15:41:58 <ad_rien_> #topic use-cases 15:42:13 <reedip_> have we considered the network security for fog/edge computing use cases ? just wanted to know... 15:42:28 <parus> Network Security was discussed last week. 15:42:36 <parus> There are many aspects. 15:42:42 <ad_rien_> reedip_: could you please elaborate a bit? 15:42:50 <ad_rien_> just to know what you are considering ? 15:43:21 <reedip_> ad_rien_ I want to know , considering the rise in the current trneds of cyber issues 15:43:54 <ad_rien_> reedip_: it looks to me that those security issues are already present in cloud computing infrastructures 15:43:56 <reedip_> fog/edge would be a good option with IoT. But if we need to provide network security, specially using openstack, then have we considered it ? 15:44:06 <ad_rien_> not sure how the fog/edge context will increase those issues 15:44:17 <reedip_> ad_rien_ yes, thats true 15:44:27 <ad_rien_> you mean : we need additional mechanisms (i.e. that are fog/edge specifics) 15:44:48 <ad_rien_> or existing mechanisms should deliver for instance encrypted channels, .... 15:44:59 <reedip_> so security in cloud can also be transferred to fog/edge , like port mirroring 15:45:35 <parus> Are you talking about Neutron or about Keystone? 15:45:49 <parus> Both are important. 15:45:55 <msimonin> does the google docs includes a security section, maybe reedip_ can contribute 15:45:57 <ad_rien_> ok I'm not an expert but you are probably right. I just do not see why it is related to fog/edge 15:45:57 <msimonin> ? 15:46:02 <ad_rien_> seems to be more general 15:46:10 <ad_rien_> msimonin: good point +1 15:46:19 <msimonin> ad_rien_: :) 15:46:39 <reedip_> ad_rien_ probably, but considering that fog/edge would not be too heavy as a cloud infra is , so the requirements would change. just saying :) 15:46:57 <parus> reedip_: I agree requirements change. 15:47:05 <parus> but there are many aspects 15:47:13 <parus> Do you want to try to write up something? 15:47:44 <ad_rien_> maybe you can prepare a couple of slides as msimonin has proposed. What do you think reedip_ ? 15:47:52 <reedip_> parus : probably , I think I can 15:48:26 <parus> reedip_: please look up the etherpad from opendev on the topic. This was discussed in the security section and also in the zero_touch_provisioning session. 15:48:59 <reedip_> parus : https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/opendev-sf-use-cases ? 15:49:10 <ad_rien_> parus: 12 minutes left. sorry do you want to discuss particular points? ask specific helps? 15:49:28 <parus> reed_Ip: I will send you links separately. 15:49:33 <reedip_> sorry for hijacking the conversation 15:49:36 <parus> ad_rien_: yes 15:49:58 <parus> I would like to see progress on testing use cases. 15:50:00 <ad_rien_> reedip_: no no, that's the goal of the irc meeting. 15:50:00 <ad_rien_> ;) 15:50:20 <ad_rien_> And actually you are going to provide one contribution so that's great ;) 15:50:28 <ad_rien_> parus: ? 15:50:34 <parus> yes 15:50:40 <ad_rien_> Which one? 15:51:02 <parus> Who can help running some enos use case that we could look at? 15:51:04 <ad_rien_> we did some preliminary test on the simple model: control services in one DC and remote nodes are just compute nodes 15:51:39 <parus> Could you share results? 15:51:47 <ad_rien_> msimonin with the support of a new engineer (he will start to work on that on Oct the 1st) 15:51:53 <ad_rien_> will focus on AMQ alternatives 15:52:04 <ad_rien_> rcherrueau will perform similar experiments but with cockroach 15:52:08 <ad_rien_> yes 15:52:16 <ad_rien_> see the boston presentation 15:52:31 <ad_rien_> and we are currently writing a research report (should be available by mid of october) 15:52:42 <parus> OK. I will look for that presentation and wait for mid-october. 15:52:49 <parus> How about the FBK use case? 15:52:51 <ad_rien_> #link https://www.google.fr/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0ahUKEwiz8aS0wqLWAhVJtBoKHfknCisQtwIIKDAA&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.openstack.org%2Fvideos%2Fboston-2017%2Ftoward-fog-edge-and-nfv-deployments-evaluating-openstack-wanwide&usg=AFQjCNEsozFpIU_qwzly1dcXtzPtDokLBg 15:53:25 <msimonin> I think dancn is around 15:53:25 <ad_rien_> I'm seeing them pushing some EnoS pull requests 15:53:45 <ad_rien_> but yes if dancn is there. He is definitely the best one to give some information 15:53:46 <ad_rien_> . 15:53:49 <ad_rien_> dancn: ? 15:53:54 <dancn> yes, we just started with enos 15:54:14 <parus> dancn: When can we see results? Do you need help? 15:54:25 <dancn> so we are triyng to port some use case to enos 15:54:39 <ad_rien_> parus: you told me that samP can help us ? 15:54:53 <ad_rien_> we started to give a look with rcherrueau and msimonin on cell v2 15:55:04 <ad_rien_> the idea is to segregate the openstack into several cells 15:55:08 <ad_rien_> each cell is a edge DC 15:55:13 <dancn> parus: no results for now, we are still learning and yes rcherrueau and msimonin were a lot helpful in the past weeks 15:55:24 <ad_rien_> unfortunately Kolla does not support the cell V2. 15:55:46 <ad_rien_> If SamP has some time and he is interested by doing some investigations 15:55:49 <ad_rien_> it would be helpful 15:56:05 <dancn> no need for help right now, but as soon at we get stuck we will raise an hand 15:56:29 <ad_rien_> parus:? 15:56:36 <ad_rien_> you told me that you were looking for some actions? 15:56:37 <parus> OK. Please use the email list to discuss next steps offline. 15:56:40 <ad_rien_> just a proposal :-P 15:57:00 <ad_rien_> ok 3 min left 15:57:01 <parus> we are running out of time here. But we do need actions. 15:57:23 <ad_rien_> so anything else regarding the use-case 15:57:40 <ad_rien_> (parus by conducting experiments with CELL V2 it would enable to investigate another use-case- 15:57:41 <ad_rien_> ) 15:57:53 <reedip_> parus : do send the links as discussed earlier :) 15:57:59 <ad_rien_> ok let's move to the open-discussion 15:58:15 <ad_rien_> #open discussion 15:58:21 <ad_rien_> #topic open-discusison 15:58:25 <parus> reedip_: please put your email address on etherpad 15:58:37 <ad_rien_> so from my side, I just want to discuss the cell V2…. but I just did it 15:58:38 <ad_rien_> so nothing more 15:58:45 <ad_rien_> the floor is yours 15:58:59 <reedip_> parus : done... 15:59:06 <ad_rien_> nothing ? 15:59:12 <parus> One item at Opendev was about ONAP vs Openstack 15:59:14 <ad_rien_> one minnute befoire ending the meeting 15:59:18 <ad_rien_> yes 15:59:25 <ad_rien_> parus? 15:59:37 <ad_rien_> the discussion I had with David from AT&T was positive 15:59:44 <parus> Just pointing this out, it maybe that some of the work is done a layer above openstack. 15:59:53 <ad_rien_> in the sense that both complement each other 15:59:58 <ad_rien_> ok 16:00:02 <ad_rien_> can you add it in the epad 16:00:05 <ad_rien_> we have to conclude 16:00:07 <parus> OK 16:00:08 <ad_rien_> thanks guys 16:00:09 <ad_rien_> #endmeeting