15:01:23 #startmeeting fog-edge-massively-distributed-clouds 15:01:23 Meeting started Wed Mar 28 15:01:23 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ad_ri3n_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:25 #chair  ad_ri3n_ 15:01:27 The meeting name has been set to 'fog_edge_massively_distributed_clouds' 15:01:28 Current chairs: ad_ri3n_ 15:01:32 #topic roll call 15:01:37 Hi guys 15:01:44 Let's see who is available today 15:01:54 Hi, sorry I'm late 15:01:56 Hi 15:02:08 Hi jamemcc 15:02:30 o/ 15:02:39 parus ? ansmith ?kgiusti ? 15:03:00 #info agenda 15:03:00 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massivfbely_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 (line 322) 15:03:02 o/ 15:03:10 Hi guys 15:03:23 o/ 15:03:46 Hi o/ 15:04:47 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/massively_distributed_ircmeetings_2018 15:04:50 I started to add some news, please feel free to do the same from your side (directly in the pad) 15:06:45 o/ 15:07:01 So only two news from my side as we mainly worked on the paper from our side. 15:07:33 maybe one last info to share: kgiusti it looks like you will be now officially part of the OpenStack core devs ? 15:07:36 Congrats ! 15:07:50 or still not yet finalized? 15:07:50 ad_ri3n_: yes! Thanks! 15:08:15 wow kgiusti - thanks 15:08:25 ad_ri3n_: I'm expecting it to go through 15:08:26 you are our trojan horse ;) 15:08:48 bravo kgiusti ! 15:09:00 ad_ri3n_: I'd rather be a trojan rabbit... 15:09:00 congratulations! 15:09:25 ad_ri3n_: pardon the obscure monty python reference... 15:09:29 thanks all 15:09:50 Ok any other info to share ? 15:09:54 don't jump on people's throat 15:10:47 jdandrea put some information relatd to the MUSIC project 15:11:07 I thought he will be there to elaborate a bit more but not sure he can attend our meeting this week. 15:11:25 so let's start on the ongoing/pending actions if there is nothing more to discuss on this topic. 15:12:07 #topic ongoing-actions-edge-sessions. 15:12:41 as mentioned the last session has been cancelled due to the F2F meeting in ONS. I cannot attend it but parus did. He will probably give us a brief overview of what has been discussed. 15:12:54 regarding the meeting before the last one. 15:13:25 We mainly discuss about possible issues regarding the current approach (i.e. a kind of manager in charge of synchronizing the different OpenStack instances). 15:13:41 * ad_ri3n_ is looking for the etherpad link 15:15:51 * ad_ri3n_ is waiting now for the etherpad to be loaded… 15:17:08 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/edge-alans-problems 15:17:33 line 92 15:17:34 sorry 15:18:06 so that's all 15:18:11 sorry for being long… 15:18:46 and maybe I also missed to announce the new dedicated IRC: Edge Computing Group IRC channel: Freenode: #edge-computing-group 15:18:59 I didn't connect yet to be honest (I should have but ...) 15:19:11 so I don't know whether it is quite active or not 15:19:41 so that's all for this topic 15:19:44 let's move forward 15:20:04 #topic ongoing-actions-p2p-gapanalysis 15:20:20 Nothing more on that point than what has been written in the pad 15:20:28 so if there is no question, let's go on. 15:20:32 . . . 15:20:34 . . . 15:20:41 ok let's go on 15:20:51 Referencing #edge-computing-group  Thanks. Yeah - it looks active - at least some of the right people are in it 15:21:38 yes let's try to keep an eye on that indeed. 15:21:40 #topic ongoing-actions-cockroach 15:21:46 @marie 15:21:49 what are the news? 15:22:07 we are gathering the results 15:22:50 and we are trying to analyse them for now, on replicated keystone 15:23:01 it seems you will give a look to tidb also? 15:23:49 yes, we might look into tidb more seriously because the sysbench test made was great 15:24:24 you mean it performs better than cockroach under sysbench ? 15:24:46 yep, and mariadb 15:25:13 like 10 times better, so I'm looking into that because it seems suspicious :) 15:25:22 any news regarding the experimental protocol. Did you make progress on that side? 15:25:42 yep, I'm making a draft for the test plan 15:25:43 or should we wait a bit more :-P 15:25:49 ok 15:25:51 great 15:26:18 Will people from cockroach be involved in the test plan ? 15:26:25 I'll put it on the pad 15:26:29 thanks 15:26:37 So feedbacks/comments welcome 15:27:10 anything else? 15:27:17 I would like to get people from cockroach involved in the test plan, cause cockroach results are not really good and maybe I'm doing something wrong 15:27:48 nothing more ! 15:28:04 marie_: ack 15:28:53 cool 15:29:17 so please do not forget to put your test plan draft on the pad ASAP 15:29:19 thanks 15:29:30 #topic ongoing-action-AMQP 15:29:48 msimonin: ansmith kgiusti 15:29:49 ? 15:29:57 yes ! 15:30:46 So we've made some progress on the experimentation framework 15:30:54 nothing much from me this week - investigating some memory issues found by msimonin 15:30:56 * ad_ri3n_ is going through all the interesting links ;) 15:31:14 I've put the most interesting things in the epad 15:31:39 The more noticeable thing is that we now scale to 10K+ RPC agents :) 15:31:49 :-) 15:31:54 How many PMs? 15:32:01 oh yeah! 15:32:33 ad_ri3n_: The funny thing is that we don't need many Physical Machines 15:32:39 :-) 15:32:43 we used approx 55 PMs 15:32:52 rpc clients sleeps most of the time 15:32:58 in the workload we have 15:32:59 and containers/enosStack? 15:33:20 how do you emulate independency between agents? maybe you have not to ? 15:33:20 that makes 10K-ish containers 15:33:26 ok 15:33:48 maybe it would make sense to give a look at solutions such as Distem 15:34:03 (or at least to better understand the positioning w.r.t enosStack) 15:34:12 to conduct such experiments 15:34:19 but anyway: welldone guys 15:34:44 still awesome what you succeed to achieve from the experiment viewpoint ! 15:34:44 Javier is adding the latency constraints in the framework 15:35:40 ok 15:35:54 We have big plans for the coming weeks :) 15:36:06 \o/ 15:38:13 ok nothing more 15:38:13 ? 15:38:19 nope 15:38:20 sorry 15:38:21 #topic open-discussions 15:38:37 so we have two points to discuss at least: 15:38:53 opportunities to see/collaborate with more folks from RedHat 15:38:58 kgiusti: ansmith? 15:39:18 any news? in particular from the ones that are working on evaluating OpenStack WANWide? 15:39:24 not many folks were around this week due to ONS, internal meetings 15:39:26 this has been a tough nut to crack. 15:40:22 will double back on this next week 15:40:23 od 15:40:26 s/od/ok 15:40:43 some changes to see someone joining soon? It looks definitely relevant 15:41:11 Actually It is a suprise to see so many people attending events such as the F2F informal meeting yesterday at ONS 15:41:20 and only the best guys on this IRC .) 15:41:21 ;-) 15:41:47 s/changes/chances 15:42:17 I don't know how we can attract more people and federate all the ongoing actions 15:42:25 in particular the ones that focus OpenStack 15:42:35 I'm not aware of anything specific - ansmith? 15:43:08 This looks to be a nonsense to work, each, on our side 15:43:21 there is some focus around multi-site, just need to track down those folks 15:43:22 kgiusti: ansmith I pointed those guys during the PTG 15:43:37 you said that they are probably taking part to the OpenStack group @redhat 15:44:26 I do not remind the name unfortunately but I can find it if needed 15:45:00 I believe it was Azhar and/or Sanjay, we had reached out to them before and will do so again 15:45:28 thanks ansmith for trying… highly appreciated ;-) 15:45:52 I know also that people from IWinStack were interested to take part but we should try to identify concrete actions with them 15:46:07 any ideas of current actions we can start and that make sense for our working group 15:46:33 we talked a lot about evaluating cell V2 concept but it looks like the cell abstraction will only be related to nova in the future 15:46:58 so not sure whether we should bet on that 15:47:10 @dpertin will start to dive a bit more on Nova 15:47:25 to see what are the missing mechanisms/capabilities we should add in Nova 15:47:30 in terms of edge requirements 15:47:33 We'd like to evaluate multisite + qdr in the future 15:47:40 qdr = qpid-dispatch-router 15:47:50 @msimonin great : can you add a note in the pad 15:48:17 my idea is to identify a few actions that make sense and to propose to iWinSTACK to see whether 15:48:30 since you defer the routing to the messaging layer you could have site(cells) without actual cells 15:48:32 they might be interested to dig into 15:49:25 any pointers to iWinSTACK? not finding via googling 15:49:50 Chineese company 15:50:26 https://www.openstack.org/foundation/board-of-directors/ 15:50:32 and looks for Joseph Wang 15:50:45 http://www.inwinstack.com/en/home/ 15:51:04 thanks! 15:51:21 they have implemented a few mechanisms from the OEC group 15:51:29 so they are familiar with the edge challenges 15:51:54 they attended the SF event last september. I'm pretty sure they are good candidates for contributing to the SiG 15:53:03 ok 15:53:27 so I open a new action in the epad. Please feel free to add any actions you would like to discuss/make progress on 15:53:37 nothing more from my side. 15:53:40 anything else? 15:54:02 nothing from my side 15:54:08 maybe one question 15:54:14 Guys are you evaluating ZMQ also? 15:54:17 shall we discuss something regarding vancouver summit forum/f2f/...? 15:54:18 or it is definitely dead? 15:54:37 @dpertin we should indeed open a new bullet for that but we can probably discuss it next time. 15:54:43 ad_ri3n_: a moment of silence would be appropriate. 15:54:46 ok 15:55:20 kgiusti: :-) 15:55:22 I've emailed both the operator's and the dev mailing list asking for volunteers to support it 15:55:31 so far no takers. 15:55:35 msimonin: ? 15:55:42 it is also your opinon? 15:55:47 opinion? 15:56:05 ZMQ no way to test it? 15:56:21 it was a fully P2P approach so conceptually speaking 15:56:30 does it make sense to give it a look? 15:56:33 At oslo PTG it was decided to move it to deprecated. Currently we removed all zmq unit tests as they've been broken for months now. 15:56:49 or what can be done with ZQM can also be done with qpid? 15:56:59 ok 15:57:03 thanks kgiusti 15:57:06 good to know 15:57:07 functionally yes - both support RPC 15:57:45 I was thinking in terms of overlay/P2P concepts. but ok if it is dead…. RIP 15:58:10 unless some brave soul(s) come forward, yes RIP 15:58:11 ok two minutes left 15:58:17 :-) 15:58:21 inwinstack :D 15:58:44 stupid joke 15:58:46 ok 15:58:53 so if nothing more… enjoy the rest of the day 15:58:53 ad_ri3n_: yes zmq is not a good bet 15:59:10 and talk to you in two weeks 15:59:15 thanks guys ! have fun ! 15:59:17 actually I think this didn't scale well 15:59:23 (the implementation) 15:59:26 #endmeeting