14:00:39 #startmeeting freezer 14:00:39 Meeting started Thu May 5 14:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ddieterly. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:40 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:42 The meeting name has been set to 'freezer' 14:01:07 attendance please 14:01:09 Hello ddieterly :) 14:01:12 o/ 14:01:18 Hello 14:01:26 hello ice cubes 14:01:26 Hello ddieterly 14:02:07 Let's wait five minutes for the others 14:02:43 sure 14:03:58 while we are waiting, if you have an item for the agenda, please update it 14:04:07 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_meetings 14:05:52 can we start? 14:06:08 Go ahead :) 14:06:21 ok, the agenda looks very slim 14:06:37 maybe we could get some highlights from the summit? 14:06:49 any important take aways? 14:07:22 i heard a lot of people interested in a comprehensive backup/restore solution 14:07:42 i heard a lot about smaug for better or worse 14:08:01 did anything come out of the design meeting on friday? 14:08:29 slashme are the notes available from the sessions on the web? 14:09:20 We have seen a lot of interest from people regarding all the subject we talked about: 14:09:21 - Backup/restore of OpenStack Infra (and as you said comprehensive solution) 14:09:21 - Backup/restore as a Service 14:09:21 - Disaster Recovery 14:09:21 - Better integration with deployment systems 14:09:56 Notes from all the sessions are available here: 14:09:56 I'll clean that up and send a recap to the mailing list as soon as possible 14:10:12 OS Infra backup: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_austin_session_backup_os_infra 14:10:22 BaaS: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_austin_session_baas 14:11:16 The Disaster Recovery etherpad stayed empty: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_austin_session_disaster_recovery 14:11:35 Friday contributors meetup: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/freezer_austin_session_contributors_meetup 14:12:05 The last one contains notes about smaug, Ironic, ... 14:12:20 i'll take some time today and read those 14:12:34 sorry i had to leave early on friday 14:12:47 did the smaug guy finally yield the floor? 14:12:51 Overall, we have seen a large interest aroud freezer, which is a very good sign. 14:12:59 Yes, He left just after you 14:13:11 great timing ;-) 14:13:16 Conclusion was: 14:14:17 Let's arrange a specific meeting with some Freezer devs and some Smaug devs to discuss how integration of the tweo solutions could happen. 14:14:56 did you get his name by any chance? 14:16:19 what are your thoughts on how smaug relates to freezer? 14:16:37 I gave him my card, so I expect an email in the next few days. 14:17:29 i guess i should do this 14:17:37 #topic austin summit recap 14:18:49 slashme any thoughts on smaug? 14:19:09 Well, as we tried to describe in the etherpad, Smaug is trying to achieve what we called "tenant backup". The ability to backup/restore OpenStack resources that don't live outside of OpenStack, that are only metadata (like neutron networks, Keystone users, ... ) 14:19:55 do you think there is an opportunity to work with that project? 14:20:36 When we thought about that in the past, we decided not to engage in doing that for now because it represent a big amount of work to map all the calls to all OpenStack api's 14:21:40 We could either leverage smaug to backup this kind of data or provide a plugin so smaug can leverage freezer when doing classic data backups. 14:22:01 ok, so i could see that project asking for functionality from freezer in the future 14:22:48 slashme anything else from the summit you want to share? 14:22:55 o/ 14:23:19 daemontool_ anything from the summit you want to share with the team? 14:23:27 slashme: Can we consider smaug as a engine for freezer ? 14:23:28 yes 14:23:31 :) 14:23:42 yes to ddieterly don-t know about smaug 14:23:45 szaher: Yes that's one of the possibilities 14:23:50 but yes at first 14:23:52 :) 14:23:52 so 14:23:56 couple of guys 14:24:04 requested to integrate with tripleo and ironic 14:24:08 to do image based backup 14:24:13 for distributions like rh 14:24:17 I think is a great idea 14:24:31 one othe thing is 14:24:48 that we need to speed up the publication of the dr related code 14:25:01 I-m creating the freezer-dr repo today 14:25:22 s/-/\'/ :) 14:26:23 can I go on or is there any topic that is currently being dicussed_ 14:26:24 ? 14:26:33 the topic is the summit 14:26:37 ok 14:26:49 we can add dr to the agenda 14:27:05 there, done 14:27:07 ty 14:27:33 ok, want to move on to DR? 14:28:10 anything else on the summit 14:28:22 everyone have a good time? 14:28:52 daemontool_ hope you used the party pass that i gave you well ;-) 14:28:58 brilliant time 14:28:59 ty 14:29:10 I made it count ;) 14:29:21 i knew if anyone could, it would be you 14:29:39 #topic disaster recovery 14:29:49 daemontool_ you have the floor 14:30:53 some of the feedback on frescos blueprint from dan dyer was that there was a lot out of scope for a backup/restore solution 14:31:48 i got that feedback on friday from 2 people in the contributors meeting before slashme arrived and the smaug discussion started 14:34:13 daemontool_ you there? 14:36:00 ddieterly, yes 14:36:05 sorry 14:36:12 so we need to create the freezer-dr repo 14:36:20 and upstream the code we have 14:36:37 following up our previous mettings 14:36:54 now, I understand we need to place the bp onto the freezer-specs repo 14:36:56 but the specs repo 14:37:03 is not ready yet 14:37:05 ? 14:37:22 I'll try to prepare it before EOW 14:37:35 ok ty 14:38:07 anything else? 14:38:10 that's all from me 14:38:28 anyway this stream is being mainly followed by Fresco, ddieterly 14:39:02 ok, ty 14:39:06 next topic? 14:39:07 daemontool_: are you going to submit a request to create the repo 14:39:13 szaher, yes 14:39:21 we need to do that sooner than later 14:39:23 hopefully today 14:39:28 or tomorrow 14:39:36 daemontool_: Good, ty 14:39:49 then upstream 14:39:51 :( 14:39:52 :) 14:40:29 #topic pending blueprints 14:41:00 i'm not sure which are the most active/pressing blueprints that people are working on 14:41:20 daemontool_ do you have a bp for dedup? 14:41:22 ddieterly: I guess it is thoses about refactoring 14:41:36 dedup is not yet at the BP stage 14:42:00 do we need a discussion around dedup? 14:42:18 Not today. But we definity need to plan for one. 14:42:26 I think there was some discussion at the midcycle meet up? 14:42:31 daemontool_: Yes 14:43:06 But nothing good/detailled/valid enough to be transformed into a blueprint 14:43:27 ok 14:43:33 Plan is to start the engineering process during the next few weeks 14:43:36 what is driving dedup? is there someone asking for it or is it just nice to have? 14:44:02 sorry for my ingorance 14:44:08 ddieterly, there was a competitive analysis mentioned 14:44:16 So we can discuss the design at the next midcycle and start implementing it as a stretch goal for Newton 14:44:19 ask to the ps guys they have more information 14:45:19 I guess we can write pb for re-factoring and plug-able layers 14:45:44 #topic mid-cycle meetup 14:45:58 when/where is the mid-cycle meetup? 14:46:26 July, Ibiza :( 14:46:27 :) 14:46:39 Nothing is decided yet I think. 14:46:40 ok, where is ibiza? 14:46:41 daemontool_ ;) 14:46:49 Spainish island 14:47:17 so, roughly july, then? 14:47:44 I don't know, was just an idea 14:47:55 i guess that would be 'mid-cycle' 14:48:03 but nothing serious really 14:48:10 what works bes for you 14:48:13 best 14:48:16 good for me 14:48:25 july is fine for me 14:49:06 when do we need to decice? 14:49:07 We can organize it in Ericsson offices if needed 14:49:14 decide 14:49:21 the sooner the better 14:49:41 travel might be a problem for me 14:49:54 hpe is tightening the purse strings 14:50:55 Same thing as last one, I guess, the best solution (cheapest overwall) will be to organize in Galway 14:51:50 that's fine with me, i just need to get approval 14:52:17 i'll let management know that travel to galway in july is coming 14:52:22 see what they say 14:52:47 i think you should all come to colorado 14:52:56 I'd love that :) :) :0 14:53:07 (you know, marijuana is legal here) 14:53:17 if that is your thing 14:53:52 ok, can we change topics? 14:54:16 yes 14:54:17 btw, if i can improve on this chairman thing, please let me know 14:54:31 Is there any topics left ? 14:54:31 communication skills are not really my strong suit ;-) 14:54:37 reviews 14:54:38 getting to colorado might be dangerous ... we could never make it back to Ireland ;) 14:55:03 #topic pending reviews 14:55:24 szaher i'll take a look at that review today and try out the testing loging 14:55:26 logic 14:55:36 Consitency check : https://review.openstack.org/#/c/300080 14:55:50 vannif_, is alive!! :) 14:55:50 ddieterly: Thanks :) 14:56:01 szaher what are your concerns about it? 14:56:03 It also contains some supposed fix for our swift dsvm errors 14:56:17 ddieterly: szaher: ty 14:56:39 slashme, side question, does the bug occure without using --incremental during restore with tar? 14:56:44 ddieterly: Just want to check if this is Ok and no problems with it for me it's working fine and I tested it 14:56:47 did you had chance to see that? 14:56:59 clsacramento: You welcome :) 14:57:51 szaher ok 14:58:12 daemontool_: Not really 14:58:28 ok 14:58:35 I'm curious :) 14:58:40 slashme any ideas why that incremental restore thing is working on the 2nd try? 14:59:03 I found a solution for one of the tar error (Directory not empty) not the other one (No such file or directory) 14:59:17 I'm still doing test to try to understand... 14:59:25 that is strange 14:59:48 slashme you want to chair the meeting next week? 15:00:17 let's continue in the freezer room; out of time 15:00:20 ciao! 15:00:26 ddieterly: thatnk you :) 15:00:34 #endmeeting