16:02:03 #startmeeting Fuel 16:02:04 Meeting started Thu Apr 30 16:02:03 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is kozhukalov. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:02:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:02:08 The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' 16:02:14 #chair kozhukalov 16:02:15 Current chairs: kozhukalov 16:02:20 hey guys 16:02:22 hello 16:02:26 hello 16:02:26 hi 16:02:27 hi 16:02:27 who is here? 16:02:28 hi 16:02:29 hello 16:02:33 hi 16:02:42 hi 16:02:49 o/ 16:02:59 ok, looks like we can start 16:03:13 agenda as usual 16:03:23 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda 16:03:38 #topic is Broken master 16:03:38 Ihi 16:04:05 the reason is https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1403088 16:04:05 Launchpad bug 1403088 in Fuel for OpenStack 6.1.x "CentOS repository contains ruby conflicts - unable to run yum update plainly" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Artem Silenkov (asilenkov) 16:04:23 and we are waiting for OSCI team fixes this 16:04:26 why didn't we revert it? 16:04:51 anyone from OSCI around? 16:05:11 looks like no one 16:05:13 rvyalov: ^ 16:05:40 latest update from Artem is that the 6.1 ISO that's currently building has the necessary fixes 16:05:42 mihgen: I don't know why we didn't revert this 16:06:03 as far as i know it is broken since yesterday 16:06:37 asilenkov: why didn't we revert it? 16:06:44 angdraug: great, hope it gonna become grean 16:06:52 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1403088/comments/29 16:06:52 Launchpad bug 1403088 in Fuel for OpenStack 6.1.x "CentOS repository contains ruby conflicts - unable to run yum update plainly" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Artem Silenkov (asilenkov) 16:06:58 status report as of yesterday 16:07:26 we can't revert this because ruby packets is not under version control system 16:07:31 angdraug: thanks for this link 16:07:59 asilenkov: thanks for fix 16:08:15 not yet we need iso built first 16:08:25 let me explain a little 16:08:35 asilenkov: please make sure that the new ISO fixes it, if there's a new problem found with it we need to know about it and fix it today 16:08:43 1. ruby version and name is hardcoded inside ISO make system 16:08:56 yes sure. I'm working hard on it 16:09:20 2. We have a bunch of gems which are named in bad manner 16:09:26 Eg' 16:09:57 :( 16:10:05 I hope we will fix it finally in the right way 16:10:09 ruby21-nailgun-mcagents is the same as nailgun-mcagents 16:10:25 and nailgun-mcagents wanted ruby=1.8 16:10:44 some gems were not accidentaly renamed though 16:11:08 some gems has no ruby nailed and take one available 16:11:37 so we had to recompiled all the gems to overcome this 16:11:53 ti ensure we have right ruby with right gems 16:12:18 ok, looks like the situation is under control 16:12:27 if there are no other comments on this, let's move on 16:12:28 ISO build system is not aware about ruby so we had to hack hardcoded values in bootstrap and sandbox 16:13:28 yes 5.1.2 fixed 6,1 is on the way. It builds locally but not sure about BVT. I'll take care of it untill all problems are resolved. Will report by email and slack. TY 16:13:36 yes and these hard coded versions were introduced because we had some problems with ruby versions earlier 16:14:22 asilenkov: thanks a lot for your efforts 16:14:25 moving on 16:14:39 #topic Recent activities in fuel-python 16:14:54 actually i have nothing to say here 16:15:07 all known activities are listed in agenda 16:15:35 please skim through the list and ask questions 16:16:15 cleaning up environment after building image is in progress 16:16:52 the issue here is that we need to take care of those loop devices and other temporary files if build fails 16:16:57 should we discuss apt vs ipv6? 16:17:15 yes, I'd like to discuss this 16:17:18 looking at agenda seems like there's a disagreement on this topic 16:17:43 my opinion is clear, Im for forcing apt to use v4 16:18:10 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175848/ 16:18:23 everyone agree with v4 16:18:36 I don't understand why this is necessary 16:18:58 except one guys who is an expert in networks 16:19:43 xarses: because canonical dns responses with v4 and v6 addresses 16:19:52 and apt tries to use v6 16:20:00 and obviously fails 16:20:23 because neither we nor most our customers don't support v6 16:20:37 because neither we nor most our customers support v6 16:20:53 so you intend to kick the problem down the road 16:20:56 and thus puppet can not fetch packages 16:20:58 instead of fixing the problem? 16:21:23 xarses: what is your suggestion how we can fix this? 16:21:44 and we are actively interested in supporting IPv6 16:21:45 force people to start supporting v6? 16:22:15 by the sound of the issue, it should only use the v6 address when the v4 fails 16:22:15 we can support but we can not force other people to support 16:22:44 did we identify why the v4 fails when both are supported, but works when v6 is disabled? 16:22:54 v6 fails 16:22:57 not v4 16:23:41 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1446227/comments/12 16:23:41 Launchpad bug 1442672 in Fuel for OpenStack "duplicate for #1446227 All lnx providers for L2 resources of L23network can't work without installing ovs" [High,Fix committed] - Assigned to Sergey Vasilenko (xenolog) 16:23:44 ok, i see your point but i don't have any particular recipe 16:24:29 so this fixes a high/ critical bug, but we still have a problem in that we blacklisted v6 in the process 16:24:56 we need to create a bug for 7.0 to learn why this occurred all the sudden, and implement a proper fix 16:25:21 but switching to v4 solves the problem as far as i know, so this comment might be not totally true 16:25:48 xarses: will you? 16:26:06 yes, I will create a bug for 7 16:26:20 based on what xarses said above, switching to v4 masks the problem, while we still don't know the root cause 16:26:48 #action xarses creates a bug for 7.0 about ipv6 and default route 16:26:52 which is good enough for 6.1 but I agree that we should investigate this further in 7.0 16:26:54 It's ok if we need to make hacks like this near a release, it however also means that we need to follow up later 16:27:42 ok, any other questions here on this topic? 16:28:04 moving on 16:28:06 filtering device 16:28:13 listening 16:28:40 are we in sync with what nailgun-agent does for filtering now, or are they still at odds? 16:29:23 including being able to over-ride the removable device patterns 16:29:58 agordeev: was going to prepare another patch for nailgun-agent, but he is going on vacation, so if he does not, I will 16:30:26 should I file a bug for that or do you have one to work under? 16:30:53 xarses: not sure if we have such a bug 16:31:21 ok, I will create a bug for that too, you can mark it duplicate if you have another 16:31:21 but I have this in my notes 16:31:45 xarses: yes, create please and assign it to me 16:31:54 ok, lets continue 16:32:14 #topic How close we are to HCF? 16:32:59 so, some stats are written down in agenda 16:33:25 we have 88 bugs on fuel and 30 of them is on fuel-python 16:33:55 this number includes all open bugs (critical and high) 16:34:12 does that include docs bugs? 16:34:14 including those which are in-progress 16:34:29 no, i don't think so 16:35:05 i use http://lp-reports.vm.mirantis.net/ 16:35:18 i don't know if it is public or not 16:35:38 it'd be great to open this for public 16:35:58 Partners        6 bugs 16:36:01 we need to add authx first 16:36:05 MOS OpenStack        32 bugs 16:36:13 MOS Linux        10 bugs 16:36:21 Unknown        15 bugs 16:36:47 mihgen: if there is ETA when it could be done? 16:36:58 i mean auth for this service 16:38:36 ok, looks like we still have lots of bugs but we've been tending to speed up this week 16:38:51 moving on 16:39:06 #topic Labor day 16:39:15 just announcement 16:39:49 Russian, Ukrainian and Polish teams are gonna be unavailable from 1 May till 4 May 16:40:06 moving on 16:40:23 #topic Testing in Puppet modles (xarses) 16:40:31 So we have all these seperate tasks, and some of them even have pre and post tests. I'd like to understand how/when these tests are run. 16:41:04 we use it in integration gd based test 16:41:32 gd? 16:41:48 granular deployment :) 16:42:06 ohh, great abbreviation 16:42:13 ibp, gd 16:42:19 what else? 16:42:29 do they run automaticly with every deployment, or is there a specific way to enable them? 16:42:50 we plan to execute it on FUEL-CI for each review, but for now integration with FUEL-CI is in progress 16:43:05 if let's say I changed keystone, will Fuel CI run only for keystone? 16:43:42 yep, absolutely 16:44:15 I'll write the announcement with instruction as soon as successful integrated in CI 16:44:39 the pre/post tests, do they run automaticly with every deployment now, or is there a way to enable them to do so? 16:45:13 also can we make it (or will it outright) stop the deployment when it fails 16:46:07 I ask, because I think we spend alot of time with snapshots trying to find out which component failed, leading to wasted time. It would be awesome to see a score card or something of the graph, and where it failed 16:46:16 xarses: for now we use it only in those integration tests, but seems we can use it everywhere 16:46:19 somewhat similar to what we have for fuel-web 16:47:03 mihgen: not _only_ keystone, but _additionally_ keystone 16:48:02 bookwar: this is not the way we want it with xarses ) 16:48:11 we want to make the CI cycle shorter 16:48:28 mihgen: i think we all need our ci cycle to be reliable 16:48:29 so if you changed keystone, let's run tests against keystone only 16:48:56 mihgen: +1 sounds rational 16:49:10 that's how it was designed at the very beginning when we had chef cookbooks 16:49:15 we should have default set of tests running in any case, with additional tests when we change certain particular subsystem 16:49:48 why to have tests for anything if we changed just 1 component? 16:50:01 it's integration test, not system 16:50:01 mihgen: yes, that was the time when we were young and romantic ) 16:50:13 because we can not be 100% sure that it is the only one component affected 16:50:34 kozhukalov: yeah now I have beard ) 16:50:52 bookwar: nope, you can easily check it 16:51:02 folks, this depends on how you specify dependencies 16:51:11 for keystone, you've got to have mysql + may be memcached 16:51:17 obviously change in keystone may affect the whole openstack 16:51:18 mihgen: and i have a daughter, i won ) 16:51:29 then you run pre-test ensure everything is ready 16:51:43 then you deploy keystone, then you run simple tests against it 16:51:49 ensure that all endpoints are created 16:52:09 so it will cover 95% of keystone cases with a few REST requests 16:52:09 mihgen: how you define 'all' ? 16:52:24 no need to run full deployment to understand that keystone works 16:52:34 all? 16:52:54 mihgen: and then you merge the code and understand that neutron os broken and your whole team is blocked 16:53:24 mihgen: you can run keystone as a quick test to ensure keystone is working, but you will need to run the whole test like BVT before merging it into the master 16:53:25 you've got to have better coverage for keystone 16:54:01 you can change API versions that your keystone supports and magically understand that your neutron-server has issues with it 16:54:06 aglarendil: if you insist, can be done this way, still better then to run Fuel CI agaisnst every patchset 16:54:10 boom! all is broken 16:54:22 mihgen: well, I am for running hierarchy of tests 16:54:24 1) unit 16:54:25 aglarendil: you've got to write good tests for keystone ;) 16:54:26 2) noop 16:54:28 3) granule test 16:54:51 you cannot write tests for keystone with neutron :-) sorry ) 16:54:59 4) integration tests (deployments) 16:55:01 this is a clash of ares 16:55:07 yep, Alex, thx 16:55:21 aglarendil: it dosn't mean that we should stop running full intergration tests 16:55:23 and run each next step only if previous ones succeeded 16:55:44 it does mean that we need to spend less time running intergration tests just to find out that our changes are broken 16:55:57 4 minutes 16:56:01 xarses: I agree and I suggest to run tests in hierarchy 16:56:03 intergration tests are slow, and expensive to run 16:56:26 yep, so run keystone quickly, ensure that everything works, switch to integration - that's fine 16:56:28 +100 for CI jobs hieararchy 16:56:31 i am all for reorganizing the tests workflow, but definitely againsts switching of default integrations tests and let just developer decide what he wants to test with this patchset. We can do any number of custom tests as a separate service for developers, but we shouldn't have CI without the proper base line 16:56:58 +1 to bookwar + 1 to granular tests +1 to peace and love on the Earth 16:57:23 -1 to peace, otherwise you are good 16:57:25 no heavy tests against every patchset please 16:57:37 may be only for merge gate 16:57:49 I hope it can be configured 16:58:14 Mike, we just need to increase deployment speed, e.g. parallelize deployment tasks with advanced orchestrator 16:58:16 mihgen: that would be a good compromise, however we have a lot of intergration failures currently 16:58:22 you want merge gate tests to be heavier than patch set tests? 16:58:25 if the whole deployment takes 20 minutes, all our issues will be gone 16:58:26 that's even worse 16:58:32 aglarendil: +1 16:58:53 maybe for now, we dont start the intergration test untill the granular test completes 16:59:02 we will get results faster 16:59:08 aglarendil: +100 16:59:08 as a compromise we can run a batch of tests at once 16:59:16 at least we will get negative results faster 16:59:20 and merge them if everything is ok 16:59:22 I'm not so sure if we can get 20min deployment, but let's do if we can 16:59:42 time 16:59:45 mihgen: if we invest in our granular deployment this release cycle, this should become possible 16:59:45 looks like it is good time to end the meeting ) 17:00:02 thanx everyone for attending 17:00:02 aglarendil: we will 17:00:07 great meeting 17:00:09 ending 17:00:13 thx all 17:00:19 #endmeeting