16:00:23 <xarses> #startmeeting fuel 16:00:23 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 16:00:23 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is xarses. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:23 <maximov> hi 16:00:23 <xarses> #chair xarses 16:00:23 <xarses> Todays Agenda: 16:00:23 <xarses> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-weekly-meeting-agenda 16:00:23 <xarses> Who's here? 16:00:24 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:25 <monester> hi 16:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'fuel' 16:00:27 <openstack> Current chairs: xarses 16:00:29 <angdraug> hi all 16:00:30 <rmoe_> hi 16:00:37 <ashtokolov> Hi 16:00:41 <igorbelikov> hi 16:00:44 <akislitsky_> hi 16:00:47 <xarses> welcome back, I hope every one had a good break 16:00:50 <romcheg> \o 16:01:01 <asvechnikov_> hi 16:01:04 <mattymo> xarses, we did. Thanks. 16:01:11 <rvyalov_> hi 16:01:11 <xarses> #topic Action Items from last meeting 16:01:23 <xarses> monester and bookwar will work on getting the add reviewers by MAINTAINERS data script 16:01:36 <monester> done, https://ci.fuel-infra.org/job/auto-add-reviewers/ 16:01:43 <xarses> awesome! 16:01:49 <xarses> pyzhov will announce changes in swarm-blocker tag 16:02:57 <xarses> moving on 16:03:51 <xarses> #topic ConfigDB description and status (ogelbukh, ytaraday) 16:04:51 <xarses> moving on 16:04:56 <xarses> #topic Fuel 9.0 release schedule (angdraug) https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/9.0_Release_Schedule 16:05:51 <angdraug> before Christmas, I've posted the release schedule for 9.0: 16:05:51 <angdraug> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082655.html 16:05:51 <angdraug> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fuel/9.0_Release_Schedule 16:05:51 <angdraug> this is a transitional release that we use to realign our schedule with OpenStack releases 16:06:11 <angdraug> it's a tight one, basically we barely have time to implement Mitaka support 16:06:32 <angdraug> starting with 10.0/n*, we'll have proper 6-month release cycle like the rest of OpenStack 16:06:50 <angdraug> as I mentioned in my announcement, the biggest risk is external dependencies 16:07:00 <angdraug> namely packages and puppet-openstack 16:07:14 <angdraug> questions? 16:07:28 <xarses> puppet-openstack should be ready ~ start of next week 16:07:48 <xarses> so what if we need to push this? 16:08:18 <angdraug> xarses: what do you mean "push"? 16:08:50 <xarses> we find it's too aggressive and want to move it out? 16:09:18 <angdraug> we can shift the dates if we have to, but it will take time away from 10.0 development 16:09:25 <xarses> ok 16:09:36 <holser_> o/ 16:09:59 <xarses> moving? 16:10:04 <ashtokolov> angdraug do we have any estimations about 10.0 release dates? 16:10:08 <angdraug> one big heads up related to that is that we should point Puppetfile at puppet-openstack master HEAD 16:10:35 <angdraug> ashtokolov: with 10.0, we follow the OpenStack n* schedule 16:10:46 <angdraug> you can use https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Liberty_Release_Schedule as an early indicator 16:11:13 <angdraug> same as with 9.0, we'll have HCF and a point release a month or two after n* release 16:11:17 <ashtokolov> angdraug Oct-Nov 2016? 16:11:31 <angdraug> so probably some time around Dec 2016 we'll have something that we can recommend for production use 16:11:38 <ashtokolov> I mean there is no 6 months between 9.0.1 and n* release 16:11:43 <holser_> community? or downstream? 16:11:47 <angdraug> as a reminder, HCF is a quality-based milestone, so it all depends on how stable it's going to be 16:12:05 <angdraug> holser_: 9.0.1 is a community release 16:12:21 <angdraug> downstream, it's going to be used in MOS 9.0 GA 16:13:03 <angdraug> ashtokolov: yes, 6 months includes an overlap between stable/mitaka and master/n* development 16:13:24 <angdraug> same as now except most of dev cycle is not going to overlap like it is with 9.0 16:14:22 <angdraug> did I answer your questions? 16:14:51 <ashtokolov> angdraug, yes, I got it 16:14:57 <angdraug> thanks, lets move on then 16:15:08 <ogelbukh> o/ 16:15:10 <xarses> #topic Telco Team Status (asvechnikov) 16:15:16 <asvechnikov_> Fuel Telco Team Status: 16:15:19 <asvechnikov_> 1. Primary activity is fixing of 8.0 bugs 16:15:23 <asvechnikov_> In progress: 6 16:15:26 <asvechnikov_> Done: 11 16:15:34 <asvechnikov_> That's all 16:16:08 <angdraug> asvechnikov_: any work planned for 9.0? 16:16:31 <asvechnikov_> angdraug: We are waiting managers desicion 16:16:47 <angdraug> I see 16:18:00 <angdraug> xarses: ogelbukh is back with us, back to his item maybe? 16:18:29 <xarses> #topic ConfigDB description and status (ogelbukh, ytaraday) 16:19:33 <angdraug> ogelbukh: still with us? 16:20:10 <angdraug> hm, I thought on IRC "o/" means "hi", not "bye" :) 16:20:30 <ogelbukh> yep 16:20:44 <ogelbukh> configdb is being developed as a PoC 16:20:53 <ogelbukh> the ETA is next week 16:21:05 <angdraug> do you have a design spec? 16:21:20 <ogelbukh> we are in contact with solar team to define integration level and points 16:21:30 <ogelbukh> only in google docs yet 16:21:52 <angdraug> google doc is fine for a start if its publicly accessible 16:21:56 <ogelbukh> will move to LP/specs 16:22:02 <ogelbukh> once PoC is ready 16:23:11 <ogelbukh> let me check access and share the link 16:23:15 <angdraug> thanks 16:24:03 <xarses> #topic Bugs team status (mmosesohn) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/fuel-bugs-status 16:24:10 <mattymo> hi! 16:24:22 <mattymo> So, dpyzhov is unavailable, so I'm filling in for bugfix team status 16:24:37 <ogelbukh> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1I7nMOnSrmFhtMPhSWb8BJ48qtImmfUFemzNaNUmDvrY/edit?usp=sharing 16:24:55 <mattymo> (paste warning) I'm going to show some hard numbers on what's coming in and out for bugfixing in ui/python/library teams 16:24:55 <ogelbukh> btw Yuriy sent it to openstack-dev on Dec 22 16:25:06 <mattymo> Real bugs (defects): Critical/high: 54(1/30/23) +25(3/7/15) -41(2/21/18). Medium/low: 54(4/49/1) +11(1/5/5) -10(1/2/7) 16:25:06 <mattymo> Features tracked as bug reports: Critical/high: 35(0/33/2) +0(0/0/0) -2(0/1/1) Medium/low: 82(1/81/0) +1(0/0/1) -3(0/0/3) 16:25:06 <mattymo> Technical debt bugs: Critical/high: 3(0/3/0) +1(0/1/0) -3(0/1/2). Medium/low: 21(0/21/0) +6(0/0/6) -8(0/2/6) 16:25:12 <mattymo> High priority defects on delivery teams: no-team: 5(5) +10(10) -9(9). team-bugfix: 30(30) +6(6) -24(24). team-enhancements: 8(8) +1(1) -1(1). team-network: 8(8) +2(2) -3(3). team-telco: 2(2) +2(2) -1(1). team-upgrades: 0(0) +1(1) -1(1) 16:25:18 <mattymo> Bugs in other teams. Format: Total open(High) +Total income(High) -Total outcome(High) 16:25:18 <mattymo> QA: 57(39) +18(16) -21(19). Docs: 171(40) +1(1) -0(0). Devops: 46(5) +16(4) -7(3) 16:25:18 <mattymo> Build: 2(2) +7(7) -8(8). CI: 75(38) +8(5) -8(6). Infra Apps: 5(0) +1(0) -0(0) 16:25:18 <mattymo> MOS: 98(44) +21(17) -49(40). Partners: 7(6) +2(1) -2(2). Plugins: 4(1) +1(0) -0(0) 16:25:24 <mattymo> Extra filters: 16:25:24 <mattymo> Swarm blockers: 2(0/0/2) +2(0/0/2) -4(0/2/2) Customer found: 0(0/0/0) +0(0/0/0) -1(0/0/1) 16:25:26 <mattymo> Security bugs: 1(0/1/0) +2(0/2/0) -1(0/0/1) Long haul testing: 0(0/0/0) +0(0/0/0) -0(0/0/0) 16:25:28 <mattymo> Affects 7.0: 7(0/3/4) +0(0/0/0) -4(0/1/3) Regressions: 47(1/27/19) +25(3/7/15) -37(2/20/15) 16:25:32 <mattymo> QA/Docs/Infra: 351(124) +50(33) -44(36) 16:26:17 <mattymo> in general, at least in Fuel Library side, all bugs are getting confirmed and reproduced and investigated the same day. We've got a bit of a backlog on reviews mostly due to technical discussion 16:26:51 <angdraug> ogelbukh: it links to https://docs.google.com/document/d/1bUS90ZQVVMw5okHzLFks0svLYjMGKxdGUbz87-0_MFA/edit -- please open that as well 16:27:00 <angdraug> mattymo: we're still fixing Medium bugs? 16:28:04 <mattymo> on library side we're low on high bugs, so we've had a few cycles for tech debt cleanup.. there were 10 resolved medium/low bugs this week 16:28:16 <angdraug> I see that there's not that much of them, but as a reminder 8.0 is in SCF, please make sure that only High and Critical bugfixes are targeted to stable/8.0 16:28:26 <mattymo> they're going to master only, not stable/8.0 16:28:55 <angdraug> mattymo: makes sense, thanks for clarifying! 16:29:26 <mattymo> Any questions? 16:29:37 <angdraug> are you on track with clearing up swarm blockers, need help from other teams? 16:29:56 <mattymo> We've had some help from mpolenchuk and aschultz (ninja bugfixers), but in general, we're in great shape. 16:30:23 <angdraug> good to know, thanks, no more questions from me 16:30:55 <xarses> #topic UI Team status (vkramskikh) 16:31:00 <vkramskikh> Hi! This week we worked on UI tech debt (moving to ES2015 syntax, upgrading testing framework and React, etc.), also solved the remaining 8.0 High bugs (2 of them are merged and 1 is in progress (https://bugs.launchpad.net/fuel/+bug/1533179, planned to be fixed tomorrow)) and worked on moving UI part of Fuel WEB code to a separate repo. 16:31:01 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1533179 in Fuel for OpenStack "Invalid checkboxes logic in Storage Backends" [Critical,In progress] - Assigned to Julia Aranovich (jkirnosova) 16:31:01 <vkramskikh> Since Monday (January 18) we plan to switch to 9.0 features development. 16:31:01 <vkramskikh> Questions? 16:32:13 <angdraug> vkramskikh: same question as for telco team, what are your plans for 9.0? 16:32:18 <xarses> seems, no on the questions 16:32:24 <xarses> nm 16:32:44 <vkramskikh> we have vendor code separation as our biggest feature and a lots of minor impovements 16:33:02 <vkramskikh> which we'll try to deliver after we deal with the code separation 16:33:16 <vkramskikh> which is the main priority 16:33:29 <angdraug> it is indeed :) 16:33:33 <angdraug> thanks 16:34:29 <xarses> #topic open discussion 16:34:40 <xarses> thats the end of the agenda 16:34:46 <xarses> is there anything else to bring up? 16:34:56 <angdraug> didn't have that much time for open discussion in a while :) 16:35:03 <xarses> otherwise we can wrap early 16:35:25 <angdraug> anyone's got stuck reviews, ideas, questions? 16:37:10 <xarses> sounds like its a wrap 16:37:12 <vkramskikh> a have a question about nova-network removal 16:37:15 <vkramskikh> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261229/ 16:37:19 <xarses> ok 16:37:25 <vkramskikh> do we still want to remove it in 8.0? 16:37:32 <vkramskikh> it could be a little late I think 16:38:08 <angdraug> I think we should deprecate it properly first, and plan to remove in 9.0 16:38:12 <xarses> ui, maybe no 16:38:25 <xarses> erm 16:38:30 <xarses> sorry, UI yes 16:38:37 <xarses> networkmanager, and data it needs no 16:39:09 <angdraug> or that 16:39:31 <angdraug> we can drop it from UI, leave CLI possibility there, document in the relnotes that it's deprecated 16:40:06 <angdraug> http://governance.openstack.org/reference/tags/assert_follows-standard-deprecation.html 16:40:06 <xarses> +1 16:40:23 <angdraug> we don't follow this yet but I think we should at least try to stick to it 16:41:25 <angdraug> vkramskikh: how much of an impact on UI would it be to drop it? 16:42:05 <vkramskikh> very little. though AFAIU we need to drop only ability to create a new cluster with nova-network 16:42:17 <vkramskikh> and keep all the other code to manage already deployed clusters 16:42:31 <angdraug> sounds like more than a one-liner 16:42:38 <vkramskikh> yep 16:42:42 <angdraug> maybe just add a deprecation notice to the strings? 16:42:59 <vkramskikh> they are here already 16:43:04 <vkramskikh> since 7.0 AFAIR 16:43:41 <vkramskikh> http://demo.fuel-infra.org:8000/#clusters 16:43:46 <vkramskikh> yes, since 7.0 16:43:46 <angdraug> well, if it's more than a one-liner it would need an FFE, and we're very much too late for that ( 16:44:39 <angdraug> lets remove it in master for 9.0 16:44:53 <xarses> to remove it from the UI, it should just be some changes to the openstack.yaml for the wizard 16:45:09 <xarses> and we may need to update the jscript template for that wizard page 16:45:15 <xarses> very minor IMO 16:45:24 <vkramskikh> yep https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261229/11/nailgun/nailgun/fixtures/openstack.yaml 16:45:42 <vkramskikh> but if you look at the change it seems it affects quite a lot of code: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261229/11 16:45:55 <vkramskikh> though it's mostly code removal 16:46:21 <angdraug> +19 -265 16:46:42 <angdraug> ...and failed CI 16:47:02 <vkramskikh> yep, it's still not ready 16:47:08 <vkramskikh> that's why I raised this topic 16:47:10 <angdraug> holser_: ikalnitsky: thoughts? 16:47:28 <angdraug> looks to me that this is large enough to need an FFE 16:47:29 <vkramskikh> partner team takes care of this change, too bad they're not on this meeting 16:48:08 <angdraug> they should be :( 16:48:39 <xarses> lets send out a message on the ML about this 16:48:41 <angdraug> ok, lets post an FFE for this and see what kind of objections and risks people come up with 16:48:52 <xarses> vkramskikh, can you send it? 16:49:06 <vkramskikh> xarses: ok 16:50:06 <xarses> ok anything else 16:50:26 <xarses> #action vkramskikh will raise topic in ML about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261229/ 16:50:49 <xarses> ok, lets wrap then 16:51:09 <xarses> #endmeeting