13:59:06 <flaper87> #startmeeting Glance
13:59:07 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Jan 14 13:59:06 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is flaper87. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:59:11 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'glance'
13:59:11 <hemanthm> o/
13:59:16 <flaper87> o.
13:59:42 <dshakhray> o/
14:00:11 * flaper87 wonders where the rest of the team is
14:00:19 * flaper87 shakes the IRC's undergrounds
14:00:36 <kragniz> o/
14:01:16 <flaper87> I'll give a couple of more minutes to see if we reach quorum
14:01:36 <flaper87> otherwise, we'll skip the meeting this week (unless folks here have urgent matters to discuss)
14:02:13 <rosmaita> o/
14:02:21 <flaper87> tic toc
14:02:22 <flaper87> tic toc
14:02:25 <flaper87> rosmaita: oh-hey
14:02:31 <avarner> o/
14:02:41 <kairat> o/
14:02:56 <rosmaita> flaper87: greetings and salutations from Blacksburg, VA, USA!
14:03:30 <nikhil> o/
14:03:43 <flaper87> rosmaita: oh man, Blacksburg. I've never been there but I've heard it's pretty much in the middle of n.o.w.h.e.r.e
14:03:45 <flaper87> :D
14:03:49 <flaper87> nikhil knows better
14:03:50 <flaper87> :D
14:04:14 <rosmaita> flaper87: it's definitely somewhere ... just not easy to get to
14:04:16 <nikhil> haha
14:04:19 <flaper87> Not sure it's worse than Nebraska but close enough
14:04:21 <flaper87> :P
14:04:22 <nikhil> it's in the middle
14:04:25 <mfedosin> o/
14:04:30 <mfedosin> hey
14:04:32 <flaper87> ok, let's start
14:04:37 <flaper87> #topic Agenda
14:04:39 <flaper87> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-team-meeting-agenda
14:04:45 <flaper87> (please put names next to topics)
14:04:53 <nikhil> middle of quite a few things but nothing close by
14:05:05 <flaper87> #topic Updates
14:05:16 <flaper87> #undo
14:05:17 <openstack> Removing item from minutes: <ircmeeting.items.Topic object at 0x9805b10>
14:05:19 <flaper87> #topic Artifacts Updates
14:05:25 <flaper87> #chair nikhil
14:05:26 <openstack> Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil
14:05:29 <flaper87> #chair rosmaita
14:05:30 <openstack> Current chairs: flaper87 nikhil rosmaita
14:05:35 <flaper87> in case my network breaks
14:05:48 <nikhil> ack
14:05:52 <flaper87> mfedosin nikhil news on artifacts ?
14:06:25 <mfedosin> I wrote a router for new glare public api
14:06:46 <mfedosin> but now it's blocked by Alex patch
14:06:51 <flaper87> ok
14:07:15 <flaper87> On tuesday, there seemed to be an intention of asking for a SFE for the glare API spec
14:07:25 <mfedosin> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255274/
14:07:27 <flaper87> I haven't seen any email on the m-l and I asked one to be sent
14:07:41 <mfedosin> Also Alex wanted to write a message to ML about FFE
14:07:49 <flaper87> Although there's a FastTrack in place, I think we should still follow the process
14:07:53 <flaper87> and it's Thursday already
14:08:03 * mclaren which reminds me...
14:08:06 <flaper87> This means no one will have enough time to actually read and comment on the spec
14:08:14 <flaper87> mclaren: I was going to get to you in a bit... >.>
14:09:36 <flaper87> ok, the drivers team will do the best to provide enough feedbacks and reach consensus before the end of the week but I hope you understand it'll be difficult given the short time.
14:09:41 <flaper87> anything else on artifacts?
14:10:21 <mfedosin> nothing
14:10:24 <flaper87> #topic Drivers Updates
14:11:01 <flaper87> There are not many updates this week. The SFE was extended and there are 3 more request (one email already sent, thanks kairat ) and 2 to come
14:11:14 <flaper87> These are being evaluated and feedback will be provided before the end of this week
14:11:45 <flaper87> As mentioned last week, the image import spec landed and there are still some changes in progress
14:11:55 <flaper87> but the main plan is there
14:12:15 <flaper87> We'll be focusing more on reviewing spec lites in the upcoming weeks
14:12:49 <flaper87> #topic Nova v1 -> v2 updates
14:12:55 <flaper87> mfedosin :D
14:13:05 <mfedosin> we have 2 updates
14:13:27 <mfedosin> one is that all v1->v2 code has moved to glance client
14:13:38 <mfedosin> thanks Cyril for that
14:13:46 <mfedosin> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/2
14:13:56 <flaper87> Awesome
14:14:03 <flaper87> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266419/2
14:14:06 <mfedosin> and the second one - I started working on xenplugin
14:14:09 <flaper87> folks, please, review ^
14:14:26 <kairat> we need to merge this before client release
14:14:33 <mfedosin> here's the patch on review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/266933/
14:14:35 <flaper87> That might be blocking part of the work in nova
14:14:37 <kairat> otherwise the work will be stopped
14:14:49 <flaper87> kairat: yup, I'll hold off the client release until that lands
14:14:56 <mfedosin> agree with kairat
14:14:57 <mclaren> makes sense I think
14:15:11 <flaper87> mfedosin: I talked to johnthetubaguy yday and he commented on your patches
14:15:23 <mfedosin> okay, I'll read
14:15:30 <flaper87> There are a couple of concerns (xenplugin still one of them) w.r.t those patches
14:15:40 <mfedosin> xenplugin fails now, but I'm working on that
14:15:45 <flaper87> it'd be super cool to address them and provide feedback
14:16:02 <flaper87> some of those concerns are related to how this code is being tested
14:16:37 <mfedosin> just tempest. I suppose
14:16:51 <flaper87> mfedosin: yes, I think. He summarized everything on the review
14:17:04 <flaper87> let me know if you need help on anything
14:17:08 <mfedosin> will read, thanks for pointing out
14:17:13 <flaper87> anything else?
14:17:25 * mfedosin hugs flaper87
14:17:34 <flaper87> Summary: xenplugin is comming and ppl please review Cyril's patch on glanceclient. WE NEED IT :P
14:17:38 * flaper87 stops yelling
14:17:57 * flaper87 hugs mfedosin back
14:18:08 * flaper87 can't type while hugging someone
14:18:10 <flaper87> ok
14:18:12 <flaper87> #topic Artifacts Fast-Track: Next steps (flaper87)
14:18:16 <flaper87> Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo
14:18:28 <flaper87> I was going to bring this up last week but there weren't enough folks from the artifacts team
14:18:46 <flaper87> TL;DR: I'd like to time box the FastTrack we have in place for Artifacts
14:19:21 <flaper87> While I think it's been great and helpful, I believe it's, unintentionally, preventing folks from jumping into contributing to Glare
14:19:54 <flaper87> The reason is that the work in Glare, I believe, hasn't been given the importance it deserves for whatever reason that I don't want to get into
14:20:18 <kairat> flaper87, why it should be time box
14:20:24 <flaper87> Therefore, I'd like us to (I should perhaps join the artifacts meeting next week) set a final date for the FastTrack
14:20:27 <kairat> maybe we can define the scope
14:20:38 <flaper87> for example, we'll remove the fasttrack at the end of mitaka
14:21:09 <flaper87> One thing I'd also like to start doing in Glance, and this perhaps supersedes the need of a FastTrack is put in place a trust review model
14:21:15 <kairat> what happened if we won't merge anything useful before end of Mitaka
14:21:33 <flaper87> That is, allow folks from the same company, teams, etc, to merge patches and trust the good faith of everyone
14:21:37 <mfedosin> fasttrack cannot go on forever.
14:21:48 <flaper87> This is done in keystone and other teams and I believe it's a healthier model
14:21:51 <mfedosin> so, yeah, we need some transition date
14:22:18 <flaper87> kairat: well, in that case, there's not much we can do. The rest will have to go through normal reviews
14:22:48 <flaper87> The FastTrack has been around for almost 2 cycles already
14:23:09 <flaper87> I'll send an email out to formalize this but I wanted to get feedback before I do that
14:23:15 <mfedosin> flaper87: do you know that artifacts meetings are at 5PM UTC?
14:23:25 <flaper87> mfedosin: yes, I do
14:23:26 <mfedosin> not at 2
14:23:38 <mfedosin> okay, will be glad to see you there
14:23:53 <flaper87> It's just that mondays are not super ideal for me. That's the only reason I don't show up very often
14:24:00 <flaper87> otherwise I'd always attend
14:24:10 <flaper87> (sorry about that)
14:24:21 <flaper87> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaanyway
14:24:24 <kairat> so regarding fast track
14:24:30 <flaper87> kairat: shoot
14:24:30 <kairat> i have only one concern
14:24:37 * flaper87 phew
14:24:44 <flaper87> good thing there are not many :P
14:24:48 * flaper87 can deal with one
14:24:50 * flaper87 hopes
14:24:51 <kairat> Perhaps it is reasonable to setup time box after spec merge
14:24:53 * flaper87 stfu
14:25:09 <kairat> I mean we can start working on that only after spec merge
14:25:32 <kairat> until then it is  not useful to setup any deadlines
14:25:53 <kairat> IMO, of course=)
14:26:18 <flaper87> To be honest, I'm quite bummed on the fact there was not enough push for the glare API spec. We worked very close on the v3 -> glare spec but the API one was not pushed as much as the former.
14:26:40 <flaper87> as I mentioned at the beginning of the meeting, I haven't seen the email asking for the SFE and it's thursday
14:26:44 <flaper87> don't get me wrong
14:26:56 <flaper87> I'm sure we all have our own issues, downstream problems, family, etc.
14:27:20 <flaper87> But, given how important this is, I'm bummed that no exception was requested even in the extended exception week we agreed on
14:27:56 <mclaren> I sent one
14:28:13 <flaper87> sorry if I'm coming out harsh but I feel like asking to not timeboxing the fasttrack until the spec merges is not fair given the fact the spec hasn't been followed close enough by the folks that will work on it
14:28:24 <flaper87> At leat to the best of my knowledge
14:28:41 <flaper87> That said, I'm happy to take blames if there hasn't been enough feedback from me or the drivers team
14:28:49 <flaper87> Let's discuss it in the mailing list
14:28:54 <flaper87> I'll send the email out
14:29:09 <kairat> it is just a concern, Flavio
14:29:14 <flaper87> kairat: also, just to be clear, yours is a super valid concern. I'm just giving my humble opinion
14:29:45 <flaper87> kairat: yeah, again, sorry if I just puked all that here but that needed to be said :)
14:29:49 <flaper87> it's not on you, trust me
14:29:58 <flaper87> and perhaps puke is not the best word to use
14:30:01 <flaper87> oh well, english
14:30:04 <flaper87> anyway, moving on
14:30:16 <flaper87> #topic Preparing for next cycle
14:30:39 <flaper87> I mentioned last week that I'd like to work closely with folks that would like to run for Glance PTL
14:30:47 <flaper87> bringing this up again because we have more ppl here today
14:31:04 <flaper87> So, if you're thinking of running for the Glance PTL position, ping me. I'd like to work on N plans with you
14:31:18 <flaper87> rather than reaching the end of the cycle and having 40k different plans in every proposal
14:31:33 <flaper87> I believe it's good for the community to work on longer term plans with current+future PTLs
14:31:57 <flaper87> If you don't want to make this info public for some reason, I promise I'll be super discrete about it
14:32:16 <flaper87> I understand there are internal schedules and whatnot to take under consideration when making these decisions
14:32:53 <flaper87> thoughts? ideas? concerns ?
14:33:14 <flaper87> I believe this is important for the future health of the project
14:33:28 <flaper87> ok, I'll take that as a no
14:33:33 <flaper87> #topic Documentation Changes
14:33:37 <flaper87> who proposed this?
14:33:42 <rosmaita> me
14:33:50 <flaper87> rosmaita: floor is yours
14:33:59 <rosmaita> but in the meantime Anne Gentle sent out a mailing, so you can read all aobut it
14:34:18 <nikhil> (this was also discussed in cross project meeting)
14:34:33 <rosmaita> short story is, the api documentation is going to change from wadl-based to swagger
14:34:38 <nikhil> #link http://osdir.com/ml/openstack-dev/2016-01/msg00732.html
14:34:50 <rosmaita> the doc team is going to make the conversion for images as a test case
14:35:02 <rosmaita> so basically, just something for us to be aware of ATM
14:35:02 <nikhil> (I avoided the topic after seeing this in agenda)
14:35:28 <rosmaita> that's all
14:35:29 <flaper87> cool!
14:35:42 <flaper87> we'll have to look after those reviews and help the docs team move forward with the transition
14:36:00 <rosmaita> right, and then the expectation is that we will maintain the docs
14:36:10 * flaper87 throws an evil laugh
14:36:16 <flaper87> ok, that was a joke
14:36:26 <nikhil> and help bootstrap them too
14:36:31 <flaper87> ++
14:36:39 <flaper87> Anyone that wants to follow-up on the above?
14:36:53 <nikhil> like there was mention on missing API refs for some services and I think we should review the thoroughness
14:37:04 <flaper87> It'd be useful to have someone helping out the docs team directly and, if needed, ping the team back and ask for help
14:37:17 <nikhil> by default the API_WG liaisons are assigned to be pinged for the same
14:37:36 <flaper87> sounds good! Then sigmavirus24_awa it is :P
14:38:04 <nikhil> and I am ok following it too as part of x-prj work
14:38:06 <flaper87> nikhil: rosmaita thanks for bringing this up
14:38:12 <flaper87> nikhil:++
14:38:17 <flaper87> sounds perfect
14:38:33 <flaper87> anything else here ?
14:38:53 <flaper87> #topic Review Sprint next Monday, Jan 18th
14:39:26 <flaper87> ops
14:39:28 <flaper87> ok
14:39:31 <flaper87> Next week is M-2
14:39:33 <flaper87> w000h000
14:39:43 <flaper87> yeah, we're *THAT* close to the end of the cycle already
14:40:15 <flaper87> In the spirit of helping with reviews and getting some extra stuff into M-2, I'd like to propose doing a reviews sprint on Monday
14:40:35 <flaper87> If you are using the glance dashboard, you'll notice there are several patches waiting for a final +2
14:40:47 <flaper87> A whole bucnh of other patches without negative feedback and +1s
14:41:04 <flaper87> Patches keep coming in but reviews have slowed down a bit
14:41:25 <flaper87> We did a great job review wise during M-1 and we can improve it a bit more in the upcoming weeks
14:41:37 <flaper87> so, I'd like to encourage everyone to do some extra reviews
14:41:54 <flaper87> That said, I'll be dedicating monday entirely to reviewing glance patches
14:42:11 <flaper87> hope other members of the community can do the same
14:42:25 <flaper87> To Glance Cores, look after patches w/ +2s and help them go through
14:42:59 <flaper87> That's it
14:43:05 <flaper87> thoughts? quesitons?
14:43:21 <flaper87> questions, even
14:43:29 <kairat> I'm in
14:43:38 <rosmaita> sounds like a good idea, i will put in a few hours
14:43:39 <kairat> with my +1/-1 =)
14:43:45 * flaper87 runs super fast and hugs kairat
14:43:57 <flaper87> kairat: your reviews have been super useful, FWIW
14:44:17 <flaper87> rosmaita: hugs for you too but it'll take longer because you're now in Blacksburg
14:44:18 <kairat> flaper87, thanks
14:44:33 <rosmaita> flaper87: hard to hug someone who's nowhere!
14:44:38 <flaper87> :P
14:44:46 <flaper87> ok, moving on
14:44:50 <rosmaita> pwd
14:44:58 <flaper87> rosmaita: irc
14:45:03 <rosmaita> oops
14:45:04 <flaper87> #topic Open Discussion
14:45:11 <flaper87> go crazy
14:45:24 <avarner> I'm writing a spec for hierarchical quotas
14:45:40 <flaper87> avarner:++ sounds exciting
14:45:46 <flaper87> avarner: pls, target it for the N release
14:45:51 <flaper87> Has the name been announced yet?
14:45:52 <avarner> Ok
14:46:03 <flaper87> I cheated, fwiw, but I need the official announcement
14:46:08 <flaper87> :P
14:46:33 <bunting> I have a question about how the feature freeze affects specs
14:46:37 <flaper87> any other topic in open discussions? I think there are some review requests in the agenda
14:46:41 <flaper87> bunting: OH HI!
14:46:43 * flaper87 missed bunting
14:46:52 <bunting> Haha just been watching
14:47:03 <flaper87> bunting: you mean spec freeze or actual feature freeze ?
14:47:20 <bunting> I wonder with the feature freeze is it possible to keep working on specs/features with the knowledge it won't get in
14:47:24 <bunting> but so it does not block
14:47:49 <flaper87> oh sure, spec freeze just means they won't get in but ppl are encouraged to keep working on future specs
14:47:58 <flaper87> actually, the sooner specs are proposed the better
14:48:05 <flaper87> that gives more time fore reviews before the next cycle
14:48:22 <flaper87> Ideally, the summit should be used to discuss specs and finalize them
14:48:34 <mfedosin> #link http://docs.openstack.org/releases/schedules/mitaka.html
14:48:40 <flaper87> mfedosin: ++
14:48:44 <mfedosin> I think this link may be ueful
14:49:00 <flaper87> Review request for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/261288/2 (Provide a list of request ids to the caller)
14:49:00 <bunting> Thanks
14:49:02 <flaper87> Review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/248359/   Added support new v2 API image filters (dshakhray)
14:49:09 <flaper87> those are the 2 review request in the agenda
14:49:18 <bpoulos> I wanted to let the glance team know that the image-signing patches are being handed over to dane-fichter since I'll be gone for the next few months
14:49:27 <bpoulos> he's been working on the image-signing from the nova side of things, so he's very familiar with the feature
14:49:45 <flaper87> bpoulos: ah-ha, thanks for the heads up
14:49:52 <flaper87> hope to see you back soon
14:49:56 * flaper87 will miss bpoulos
14:50:01 <bpoulos> flaper87: thanks
14:50:14 <mclaren> ++
14:50:35 <flaper87> anything else?
14:51:07 <flaper87> ooooooooooook, I'll take that as a no
14:51:09 <flaper87> thanks everyone
14:51:12 <flaper87> have a good one
14:51:14 <flaper87> #endmeeting