14:00:09 #startmeeting glance 14:00:10 Meeting started Thu Feb 9 14:00:09 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:11 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:13 The meeting name has been set to 'glance' 14:00:17 #topic roll call 14:00:49 o/ 14:01:12 \o 14:02:12 let's wait another minute before sigmavirus gives his update 14:02:32 heh 14:02:40 I'll update all two of you ;) 14:02:52 Let's wait until 5 after 14:03:12 5 after works for me 14:05:10 still just us 14:05:13 o/ 14:05:17 Anyone else here for the meeting? 14:05:23 jokke_: ? 14:05:47 okay then 14:05:49 he's been late the past few weeks, i think he has a meeting right before this one 14:05:58 * sigmavirus shakes fist at that other meeting 14:06:03 I o 14:06:08 hang on a sec sigmavirus 14:06:12 I'm Here 14:06:13 * sigmavirus holds on 14:06:17 hi aavraham 14:06:19 #chair sigmavirus rosmaita 14:06:20 Current chairs: rosmaita sigmavirus 14:06:32 * sigmavirus hides 14:06:34 that way you can add action items 14:06:39 o/ 14:06:40 sigmavirus: Hi 14:06:41 I think anyone can add #actions 14:06:42 or items or topics or whatever 14:06:46 fair 14:06:50 Should we proceed? 14:06:57 maybe 2 more min 14:07:00 sure 14:07:02 we have some people rolling int 14:07:04 *in 14:07:07 Is there a set quorum for the meetings usually? 14:07:13 hemanthm: nope 14:07:17 Winter mornings.. 14:07:22 That'd only be a problem if we ever #vote'd on stuff 14:07:23 =P 14:07:29 :) 14:07:37 We never vote because we are one hive mind controlled by the inimitable rosmaita 14:07:38 we can vote on whether we need to have more votes 14:07:46 * nikhil sneaks in 14:08:11 A former PTL, current PTL, and release CPL walking into a meeting channel ... 14:08:14 o/ 14:08:19 erno! 14:08:25 ok, now we can start 14:08:40 #topic Release Updates 14:08:48 We successfully released Ocata RC1 with Experimental Rolling Upgrades and CI work! (Good job alex_bash, dharinic, hemanthm, nikhil, rosmaita, et. all) 14:08:50 sorry ... connectivity issues getting to my irc node 14:09:04 Please tag all glance bugs with "ocata-rc-potential" on LaunchPad and ping sigmavirus or rosmaita in IRC about them 14:09:13 If no bugs are found in RC-1, 14.0.0 will be released as the same version as RC-1. 14:09:17 If we have bugs to fix, then we'll need to create further Release Candidate releases (RC-2, RC-3, etc.) until we reach the deadline or agree that an RC is stable enough for the 14.0.0 tag 14:09:27 The next bit is important: 14:09:28 NOTE: Just because a bug affects Ocata RC1 does not immediately imply it has RC potential 14:09:43 In other words, there are few bugs that some of you are actively working on 14:09:57 They may be valid backports to Ocata, but that doesnt' mean they're RC-potential 14:10:15 Ideally RC-potential bugs are bugs that were introduced just this cycle just before RC-1 was tagged 14:10:18 OR 14:10:25 They're bugs that are hugely impactful to Glance and its users 14:10:31 for rc-potential we're looking for a showstopper or what sigmavirus just said 14:10:45 Thanks for using clearer words, rosmaita :) 14:10:56 (release critical) 14:11:19 Finally, We're also still waiting for openstack/requirements to create their stable/ocata branch. The release team ran into problems yesterday/last night with grenade, devstack, and the requirements repos but that should be done now and they should be branching today 14:11:32 ^ nikhil that's especially for you and me since we seem to be doing the bulk of stable reviews lately 14:11:47 Ack 14:12:15 And yes, "RC-potential bugs" means "Release Candidate bugs that are Release Critical" 14:12:22 RC bugs are only RC bugs if they're RC ;) 14:12:56 Any questions? 14:13:15 yes 14:13:25 anything critical on the pipe right now? 14:13:34 not that I've seen 14:13:43 might have missed something though 14:14:15 We are treating this as RC? https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1516706 14:14:15 Launchpad bug 1516706 in Glance "Glance v1 API makes requests to the v2 registry " [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Dharini Chandrasekar (dharini-chandrasekar) 14:14:37 meh 14:14:38 i think stevelle was arguing that it's pretty impactful 14:14:48 It's a medium level bug 14:14:55 Oh 14:15:01 Where is steve? 14:15:05 Oh right, he's west coast 14:15:05 Yeah, the default config is broken 14:15:08 west coast time 14:15:09 It's still 6:15AM there 14:15:47 I don't see how over year old bug is suddenly release critical 14:15:51 let's take an action item for some of us to meet in #openstack-glance later today to talk this one over 14:15:56 jokke_: I agree 14:15:57 jokke_: people are suddenly noticing 14:16:06 I don't think it warrants a RC 14:16:25 Right 14:16:29 rosmaita: good for them. We can the backport the fix to stable branches if it one day lands 14:16:53 what's the advantage of not including it in the RC? 14:16:53 jokke_: Right. I think we can focus on fixing master, then prepare the fix for stable/ocata immediately after 14.0.0 is released 14:16:58 As well as stable/newton 14:17:04 ++ 14:17:57 rosmaita: so I think the benefits/advantages are slim either way 14:18:13 That said, further RCs are usually scrutinized closely by the Release Team 14:18:21 (As well as the Stable Branch team) 14:18:35 well, plus we've all been testing RC-1 14:18:36 The bug doesn't seem to have a fixed direction/resolution yet. I wouldn't recommend rushing into things 14:18:41 And so including a bug that has affected glance for this long in RC-2 might not be the best thing 14:18:43 don't want to destabilize it 14:19:03 nikhil: dharinic and I working on it. Expect a patch today 14:19:18 rosmaita: ostensibly a bug fix with sufficient testing wouldn't destabilize RC-1 but yes, having several RCs create the perception that the previous RC was not stable or suitable 14:19:31 *Technically* that's true because this bug causes problems 14:19:47 But that's also true of current stable releases and thus this isn't that high of a release priority for Ocata 14:20:07 sigmavirus: well... 14:20:23 It affects v1 more/significantly 14:20:43 So I'm not so sure about its level of importance 14:20:52 nikhil: that's also true 14:21:04 There are several factors here 14:21:05 nikhil: which way are you thinking? more or less important? 14:21:19 cos it is v1. :D 14:21:23 :) 14:21:29 Less 14:21:46 * nikhil nods at dharinic 14:21:55 We're horrible parents for not caring for our v1 child ;) 14:22:09 Lol 14:22:09 I was not born when v1 was born :P 14:22:13 We don't know for sure if everyone moved from V1. 14:22:22 dharinic: how young of a python prodigy are you? =P 14:22:26 actually, we know for sure that everyone has NOT 14:22:34 I'm actually not convinced that bug is critical enough to fix at all :) 14:22:35 Feels as if sigmavirus has a clone child 14:22:38 hemanthm: right, but we have had it as deprecated for oer one cycle 14:22:41 you shall see sigmavirus ;) 14:22:51 dharinic: I'm not going to the PTG, so maybe not =P 14:23:01 sigmavirus: sure, that means nothing if it still has a ton of users 14:23:06 The API it's affecting is deprecated and I fail to see how that bug is so critical that we need to fix it ;) 14:23:26 well, that's why i'd like to discuss with stevelle 14:23:33 stevelle was mentioning yesterday that heat and other projects still use v1 14:23:39 he had me convinced yesterday that it was key to fix 14:23:48 So 14:23:49 apparently cinder uses v1 too? 14:23:49 but now his arguments escape me 14:24:10 I'll say this much: I'm in favor of fixing it. I'm even in favor of backporting the fixes. I'm not in favor of fixing it for an RC-2 14:24:26 jokke_: what is the rest of your day like? do you have 10 min later today, say in 3 hours or so? 14:24:50 rosmaita: the sooner the better, but today is looking pretty good 14:24:52 My reason for bringing up V1 status is that it does affect the priority of this wok 14:24:54 *work 14:24:56 cool. I will put up a patch. We can appropriately merge it whenever it is cool then. :) 14:25:02 sigmavirus: fair enough, I can see that argument. steve was mentioning yday that it was breaking OSA 14:25:13 == sigmavirus 14:25:13 If it's breaking OSA, i'd be a bit more worried 14:25:27 hemanthm: so this is the first I've heard that it's breaking OSA 14:25:32 And OSA is but one deployment project 14:25:48 So I'd be extra concerned if this was affecting *all* the deployment projects 14:26:08 If kolla, chef-openstack, and triple-o are all having the same problems that'd definitely bump the prio for me 14:26:36 Maybe andymccr can explain how severely this is affecting OSA? 14:26:46 anything building glance out of the default config should fail (and have quotas configured) 14:26:47 well tripleO moved to v2 14:27:52 I thought OSA had moved to v2 too but I guess not 14:28:05 I guess they only follow upstream when convenient? 14:28:12 Anyway, we have other topics on the agenda 14:28:19 We've spent almost 10 min on this 14:28:28 well, light agenda today 14:28:38 True, but we have other things that might generate more discussion 14:28:41 let's meet in openstack-glance at 17:30 14:28:49 utc 14:28:51 * sigmavirus loaded the agenda purposefully 14:28:57 hey sorry just catching up on the above - im not too sure how breaking the change is - we do use v2 api (and v1) i believe the issue relates to other projects only integrating with v1. i could be wrong. 14:29:13 andymccr: ty 14:29:28 as far as im aware its not breaking our integrated builds - but i do remember stevelle mentioning some things so unfortunately he would be the best person to talk to. 14:29:38 Thanks andymccr 14:30:00 i'll try follow up with him, and between us we'll get back to you 14:30:01 ok, does 17:30 work for jokke_ sigmavirus nikhil dharinic hemanthm ? 14:30:09 WFM 14:30:10 rosmaita: yes 14:30:15 yes rosmaita 14:30:17 Sure 14:30:40 jokke_: too late for you? 14:30:48 I'll make it work 14:31:00 jokke_: makes everything work :) 14:31:01 i appreciate that, we'll keep it short 14:31:23 sigmavirus: just matter of taking bigger hammer ;) 14:31:59 #action rosmaita hemanthm jokke_ dharinic nikhil sigmavirus stevelle to meet in #openstack-glance at 17:30 UTC today to discuss whether bug is RC candidate or should hold off for backport to stable branch 14:32:08 heh 14:32:11 Move on then? 14:32:20 dharinic: do you have a link to the bug handy? 14:32:33 https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1516706 14:32:33 Launchpad bug 1516706 in Glance "Glance v1 API makes requests to the v2 registry " [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Dharini Chandrasekar (dharini-chandrasekar) 14:32:35 ty 14:32:44 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance/+bug/1516706 14:32:50 #topic Bugs, Reviews, and Other Things of Note 14:32:58 #action rosmaita shoot stevelle an email about meeting 14:33:05 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/glance-store/+bug/1297451 14:33:05 Launchpad bug 1297451 in glance_store "Image uploads to the filesystem driver are not fully atomic" [Wishlist,In progress] - Assigned to Srinivas Sakhamuri (srinivas-sakhamuri) 14:33:52 So that bug has a fix but needs to be fixed up and re-reviewed it seems 14:33:53 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242084/ 14:34:19 This is a feature, that would likely be really great to have for Pike 14:34:39 (And Pike development should open up at some point today) 14:35:53 Any cores want to commit to getting that through? 14:36:10 I can review. 14:36:12 (Believe it or not, people do use the filesystem store in production) 14:36:29 And with NFS!!! 14:36:38 #action dharinic to review and help work on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/242084/ 14:36:40 nikhil: I know 14:37:05 Do we need a lite-spec for that? 14:37:19 I wasn't sure about that honestly 14:37:25 rosmaita: thoughts? 14:37:30 that actually makes quite a bit of sense 14:37:40 I mean using that combo 14:38:04 not sure about the lite spec tbh, this is only back end related change, right? 14:38:21 jokke_: Yeah, for features we've been doing lite specs semi-formally 14:38:43 well, my thought is that it would be nice to get this fixed eventually 14:38:54 so before looking into the change, how intrusive it is? 14:39:33 It's pretty important 14:40:00 it adds a new config option 14:40:15 And it dramatically changes how things are saved 14:40:15 jokke_: from what I read, looks like it doesn't impact glance as such 14:40:21 FIrst to a temp location then to the permanent 14:40:28 It may impact operators though 14:40:46 in other words, they'll have to consider how they configure glance to store things when using the filesystem store 14:41:29 yeah just looking it 14:41:53 and honestly I really don't like the idea of that new config option. Like seriously? 14:42:08 sigmavirus: I'm wondering is it perhaps a one operator change? 14:42:21 hemanthm: how do you mean? 14:42:59 From the bug description, it looks like the reason for that change is some off-the-band stuff not working well with current setup 14:43:19 yeah, looks like dark data left in filesystem store 14:44:11 so is the question whether this needs a lite-spec? 14:44:34 whatever that off-the-band stuff is, does it warrant a change in glance ? 14:45:20 and how about identifying those corner cases and fixing them rather than introducing yet another place where it might leave hanging 14:45:33 jokke_: +1 14:45:38 In case config being essential 14:45:41 yeah, i'm with erno, this seems to be incomplete 14:45:50 Awesome 14:45:56 #action jokke_ to help dharinic flesh this out better 14:46:11 (rosmaita made me a chair, so I'm using my chair to voluntell people ;)) 14:46:13 also last activity on that bug was as well over a year old and original author abandoned it two years ago. Is that still even valid issue for anyone? 14:46:32 jokke_: must be if someone has bothered fixing it and keeping the patch rebased 14:46:51 rebased on feb 3 by original author 14:47:08 good point 14:47:10 right, people don't do that just to get a contribution. They do that if it is affecting them and they don't know how to lobby us 14:47:26 I found this going through the glance-store's open bugs and cleaning them up 14:47:29 actually, there is another patch thats not even abandoned. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82899/5 14:47:36 Seemed important enough to not wantonly close 14:47:45 dharinic: jokke_ : reach out to srinivas and see if he'll put up a lite spec with you 14:47:48 same changes. 14:47:49 dharinic: that is abandoned :) 14:48:00 Also metacloud no longer exists =/ 14:48:04 oops. 14:48:08 OpenStack's history is littered with failed startups 14:49:02 ok on that note let's move to the next topic 14:49:10 #topic PTG planning 14:49:11 wait 14:49:13 aw 14:49:14 oops 14:49:17 #undo 14:49:18 Removing item from minutes: #topic PTG planning 14:49:27 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/217282/ 14:49:39 That also seemed semi-valuable/important 14:49:45 We can move on though 14:49:48 We only have 10 min left 14:49:51 #topic PTG Planning 14:50:37 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/glance-pike-ptg-planning 14:50:45 I will be adding a lot of stuff this weekend, but there's a list of topics at the bottom of the etherpad to give you an idea 14:50:52 we'll discuss image import on all 3 days 14:51:02 yeiii! 14:51:02 interspersed with other topics, of course 14:51:09 but it touches almost all aspects of glance 14:51:16 i should be clear about what we are discussing, though 14:51:22 the spec has been approved, it's been through review by the interop group, api-wg, us (of course), infra, etc 14:51:30 so we aren't going to argue about what the calls should look like or what the acceptable workflow is ... that's been settled. What i'll be asking is for you to exercise your creativity within the bounds of what we've already agreed 14:51:40 and here's what we've agreed: http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/mitaka/approved/image-import/image-import-refactor.html 14:51:46 you notice 'mitaka' in the URL there ... you can see we're a little late delivering this 14:51:49 and written ;) 14:52:02 i discuss that and how i want to handle getting this done in Pike in my election statement, which i imagine no one read, so in the spirit of DRY, here's a link: 14:52:10 https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack/election/plain/candidates/pike/Glance/rosmaita.txt 14:52:20 also, image import is a blocker for us to finally decommission v1 14:52:31 ok, back to the PTG ... this will be different from a "normal" design summit because we have 2.5 full days to do glance stuff (unlike previous design summits, where we had 5 40min sessions to discuss/agree on things) 14:52:43 so we'll really be able to get a lot done on Wednesday through Friday 14:52:55 but for now, let's talk logistics 14:52:55 this is more like rescheduled mid-cycle 14:52:57 (lol, but I read it) 14:53:13 for instance, who is going and what days will you be in atlanta? please put your info at the top of the PTG etherpad 14:53:32 also, what times do we want to work? 14:53:39 * jokke_ will be there Sun-Sat 14:54:08 9:30am-12:30, lunch, pick back up at 2, go 2-6:00pm ? 14:54:39 sounds like horribly long lunch 14:54:41 Works for me 14:54:50 anyway, if you have strong preferences, let me know, otherwise i will just make stuff up 14:55:13 jokke_: my experience with lunch is that it takes about 20min to get people out of the session 14:55:22 Well... 14:55:24 i think we have to leave for lunch, nothing is provided 14:55:34 And there are lunch meetings 14:55:45 rosmaita: I'd prefer 0900-1200; 1300-1700 ;) 14:56:11 I may need at least 2 hours for lunch 14:56:33 i'll ask around what hte other teams are doing for lunch 14:56:44 Especially now that my primary responsibilities are more than glance 14:57:00 also, we should have dinner as a team ... unfortunately, we will have to pay ourselves, no sponsors for dinner 14:57:30 Liquid lunch and dinner :D 14:57:42 every day 14:57:43 Or I may skip a afternoon 14:57:44 heh 14:57:52 you can use one of those camelpaks and you won't have to leave the room 14:58:04 haha 14:58:27 ok, i'll get a preliminary schedule up this weekend and send to the ML when it's there 14:58:38 people can comment, suggest adjustments 14:58:41 * jokke_ spent just weekend in Fosdem where the beer was available from breakfast and it was super good :D 14:58:42 we can be flexible 14:59:17 1 min left 14:59:22 yep 14:59:24 #topic open discussion 14:59:28 heh 14:59:31 Wanted to bring this up.. Can I please have some reviews on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120866/ 14:59:32 QUICK 30s left 14:59:42 dharinic: noted 14:59:45 Buffered reader. 14:59:48 Thanks. :) 14:59:49 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120866/ 14:59:56 ta-tah 15:00:01 #endmeeting