14:00:41 #startmeeting glance 14:00:43 Meeting started Thu May 18 14:00:41 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is rosmaita. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:44 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:48 The meeting name has been set to 'glance' 14:00:53 #topic roll call 14:01:14 hi kairat! 14:01:14 o/ 14:01:19 glad to see you back 14:01:20 o/ 14:01:20 o/ 14:01:26 o/ 14:01:28 hello! 14:01:28 kairat! \o 14:01:43 kairat: how are you doing? Hope you're recovering well 14:02:12 jokke_, good i can't use my left arm 14:02:29 sorry to hear that 14:02:42 kairat: take care 14:02:43 but definitely glad to see you back online 14:02:48 you had us worried! 14:02:49 but it seems it need more time to recover 14:03:14 thanks guys! 14:03:51 good turnout today, but very light agenda 14:03:55 kairat: those things might get years ... as long as there is change happening, the hope is not lost 14:03:56 we can have lots of open discussion! 14:04:05 \o/ 14:04:23 make up for all the meetings with 30sec open discussion 14:04:27 ok, here we go 14:04:41 #topic updates - post-summit report 14:04:56 the summit was last week 14:05:11 this was the first time with no design sessions 14:05:26 supposed to focus on users (operators and end-users) and get feedback 14:05:35 the glance sessions were pretty well attended 14:05:39 we had: 14:06:20 1 - glance onboarding - there were maybe 15 people plus some current glance contributors 14:06:36 hopefully we will get some contributors out of that 14:06:57 be on the lookout for requests for help troubleshooting stuff in #openstack-glance 14:07:23 2 - glance update - maybe 30 people or so? 14:07:35 ish yeah 14:07:37 people seem pretty happy with glance, believe it or not 14:08:05 i'll digress for a minute about something that came up, becasue my memory is a bit hazy 14:08:25 it had to do with fixing one of the OSSNs, the one where you can't purge the database 14:08:32 well I can fill in two things 14:08:43 ok 14:09:30 setting image ID was pointed out to be critical at least by one operator so we should not break it (While Monty didn't even know about until recently and wasn't using it in his workflows) 14:09:53 yeah, that came up at the "how do you use glance?" session 14:10:06 oh it was there, sorry 14:10:30 we have a proposal to keep all the 'public' viz images in images table, not delete those during a purge 14:10:30 * jokke_ tries to think what might have been on the update then 14:10:52 one operator pointed out that they have way more public images than private images 14:11:04 oh yeah and that was not liked by someone who is rolling insane amounts of public images in their cloud 14:11:08 so it loooks like that won't solve the problem for that guy 14:11:45 but i couldn't remember what he thought we should do ... was it put a policy on the specify-a-uuid-on-image-create ? 14:12:15 yeah he was pro on killing the uuid setting for the images 14:12:42 so i think if we introduce the policy, and default it to '', that should be ok 14:12:55 would be backward compatible, and allow operators to adjust for local usage 14:13:12 on the other hand, it would be good to have a real solution to this problem 14:13:22 I'd prefer the later 14:13:27 kairat: mfedosin: do you know any heavy-duty database people? 14:13:38 this can't be only our problem (though maybe it is) 14:13:55 we just want to block uuid re-use 14:14:02 (except maybe by the admin) 14:15:21 because we'll have to save the uuids of any image that was ever public, not just images that were public at the time of deletion 14:15:29 rosmaita, nobody in mind, sorry 14:15:36 kairat: thanks 14:15:57 i'll put out an email to the dev list asking for help, then 14:16:15 #action rosmaita - email dev list about blocking uuid reuse 14:16:18 kairat: +1 14:16:46 ok, back to the update 14:17:16 3 - "how do you use glance?" - pretty well attended, nikhil posted a tweet with a video clip of the "packed room" 14:17:23 (actually about 1/2 full) 14:17:37 but some lively discussion 14:17:46 partly around uuid reuse, as jokke said earlier 14:18:03 it's a functionality that is used and there will be great sadness if we remove it 14:18:12 but also around "image lifecycle management" 14:18:24 which no one agreed on exactly what it meant, but everyone wants it 14:18:33 Another thing that came up was that people are still waiting for the IIR work *wink**wink* 14:18:59 oh, yeah ... that is quite true, they are counting on us getting that done 14:20:15 so some operators there agreed to get together to propose a user story to the PWG (my preference) or to start a glance spec (which would be OK, but i think it would be better to know what's wanted before we start designing it) 14:20:26 we'll see what happens 14:20:31 ++ 14:20:48 fei long and i have a patch at the pwg that's about 2 years old, didn't get a lot of love 14:21:15 main painpoint for them seems to be that they would like to retire images so that new instances couldn't be spawned easily from them but stuff like migrations would still work 14:21:33 but that's about it for updates -- jokke_ or abhishekk or anyone else who was there, any other points? 14:22:41 rosmaita: you have covered almost all points 14:22:57 ok cool, i'll move on 14:23:08 #topic updates - personnel situation 14:23:19 i am happy to see kairat and mfedosin here today! 14:23:42 don't know if you know about the OSIC intel/rackspace project closing 14:24:02 has left several cores and the PTL jobless, or without openstack jobs 14:24:04 yes, I'm aware about it 14:24:34 rosmaita: what about you? 14:24:41 still looking 14:25:14 want an openstack job that will let me work upstream without relocating, and that has not been easy to find 14:25:24 particularly for glance 14:25:48 people seem to think it's working fine (except for image import, they want that), so not much commitment to working on it 14:26:23 so i'm looking at other stuff too ... jokke_ has agreed to become emergency PTL if necessary 14:26:37 and the TC is aware of the situation 14:27:12 but anyway, my point in bringing this up is that there are openings on the glance core list for people who want to contribute for Pike 14:27:16 :) 14:27:55 don't know what everyone's situation is with respect to having time on upstream glance work, though 14:28:25 it's tempting 14:28:27 :) 14:28:39 so on that happy note, let's talk about image import 14:28:47 #topic image import update 14:29:20 jokke_ pulled me into an alley in boston and kept me there until i reviewed his patches 14:29:37 not sure what happened after that 14:29:38 ;) 14:29:41 jokke_: update? 14:31:06 one of them is still failing tests 14:31:29 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/443636/ 14:32:12 the config change you merged and I need to get Flavio having look at that taskflow patch specially so that I haven't missed anything there 14:32:40 ok 14:33:30 i'd like to either rebase or recheck 443636 to get fresh results to look at 14:33:34 which would be better? 14:33:54 I'm digging into that failure and working on the further changes to address some of the concerns and hardening the functionality 14:34:06 ok, ping me when it's updated, then 14:34:43 #topic open discussion 14:34:49 the errors on the tests looks legit, just can't figure out how they popped up right now 14:35:15 one quick thing from me, i need to look at where we are on the "community goals" and will report back next week 14:35:26 mtreinish picked up the wsgi goal 14:35:42 alex_bash has left, don't think the py35 goal is completed yet 14:36:03 I have not looked, how is the work looking, was he able to get the dependencies merged? 14:36:05 #action rosmaita - look at where we are on community goals before next meeting 14:36:29 the py35 is not complete and I don't think we have anyone working on it 14:36:31 jokke_: i talked to mtreinish at the summit, he thought he had a way forward on that 14:36:40 rosmaita: gr8! 14:37:15 yes, no one currently working on py35 14:37:24 i'm not sure what's left, need to look 14:37:39 hopefully not too much 14:37:54 that's all from me ... anyone else with open discussion topics? 14:37:57 is python-glanceclient gate is broken? 14:38:13 I think we merged the last patch of Alex after he changed the commit message to not claiming that the goal is achieved (as it disabled tons of tests on py35 to get the gating pass) 14:38:44 i guess that patch gives us a list of the tests that need to be fixed 14:39:08 i'll put together an etherpad to make it easy for interested parties to pick things up 14:39:26 it should at least give us indication ... I think we need to search for the tests that are skipped on py35 and see if the list is complete or not 14:39:36 could be a good thing for new contributors. learn about glance by fixing tests 14:39:44 (need to make that sound sexy, though) 14:40:20 #action rosmaita - put together etherpad of py35 tests that are currently skipped 14:40:48 ok, i think i have enough to do for this coming week 14:40:57 "Work on Glance, become fat, grumpy and disorganized like jokke_" ... oh wait, no that didn't sound like sexy marketing talk, right ;P 14:41:26 depends on how you feel about fat, grumpy, disorganized people ... some people are probably really into that! 14:41:44 there's probably a special dating service 14:41:58 we need to find it and advertise! 14:42:05 ;) 14:42:18 become more sexy by working on glance! 14:42:46 well, this channel is logged, so if someone by chance googles 'glance' and 'sexy', they will find this conversation 14:43:15 i think we should just declare ourselves the sexiest project in openstack and see what happens 14:43:41 in fact, that will be the subject of my email about uuid reuse 14:43:52 [glance] the sexiest project in openstack 14:44:00 yes ... is there "definitely-sexy" tag or do we need to contact tc? 14:44:15 jokke_: you def need to propose that to the TC! 14:44:32 either that, or we just apply it to ourselves 14:44:45 sounds like a mfedosin patch, actually 14:44:52 like the one he did introducing typos 14:45:23 I can revive it if you want ;) 14:45:34 and add even more typos! 14:45:36 ok, should we take that 15min we have left and do something productive with it? 14:45:49 like end the meeting 14:45:51 "Potential contributors are having difficulty determining what projects to work on. We propose to fix that with the tc:definitely-sexy tag" 14:46:05 ok, enough silliness 14:46:17 ;) 14:46:38 ok, thanks for attending, everyone ... anyone who wants to help with image import refactor, ping jokke_ , he can tell you what needs attention 14:46:52 any final business? 14:46:53 \o/ 14:47:48 ok, hearing none, i declare this meeting ended ... have a productive rest of the day, everyone! 14:47:55 #endmeeting