21:11:00 <nickchase> #startmeeting HA Guide 21:11:01 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Feb 26 21:11:00 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is nickchase. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 21:11:02 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 21:11:04 <nickchase> there we go. 21:11:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ha_guide' 21:11:25 <nickchase> OK, then, so let me grab last week's notes, one moment 21:11:31 <Shamail> perfect. 21:12:19 <nickchase> OK, so we had no "official" action items from last week, but I know that megm was filling in links to existing material in the TOC. (digging...) 21:12:37 <nickchase> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC 21:13:04 <nickchase> she said that she's not quite finished yet 21:13:22 <Shamail> I have an update on this "topic" (loosely coupled) 21:13:23 <nickchase> Also do we have any of the mirantis team here (besides me)? 21:13:34 <nickchase> awesome, go, Shamail 21:13:38 <Sam-I-Am> yeah, the big one was updating the ToC 21:13:47 <Sam-I-Am> with a secondary of seeing what was re-usable 21:13:49 <nickchase> great so let's stick with that. 21:14:02 <Shamail> I told the win the enterprise team that we are trying to establish scope for the HA-Guide.... 21:14:22 <Shamail> For example is it just instructions or should it help people establish a HA strategy as well 21:14:33 <Shamail> This will probably impact ToC as well 21:14:45 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: i'm going to the ops mid-cycle and plan to see what people are using for HA 21:14:51 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: so this should help the ToC 21:15:01 <Shamail> Sam-I-Am: that is awesome 21:15:16 <nickchase> great. 21:15:25 <Shamail> What is our stance on the topic I mentioned related to scope? 21:15:30 <Sam-I-Am> i added/removed a few things since last week 21:15:32 <nickchase> so one thing at a time: Shamail: I think it should talk about strategy 21:16:11 <nickchase> Sam-I-Am: what do you think? 21:16:18 <Sam-I-Am> sure 21:16:23 <Shamail> nickchase: agreed, but I have not seen much content discussion around strategy versus tactical execution of HA 21:16:41 <nickchase> That's fine, we need to get it in there, then. 21:17:11 <nickchase> #agreed We need to add strategy information to the TOC. 21:17:14 <Shamail> The current version of HA-Guide assumes that people understand HA (and implications) and simply need instructions on how to implement 21:17:44 <nickchase> So I will get some structure in for strategy if nobody else wants it. 21:18:04 <nickchase> going once ... going twice... 21:18:09 <Sam-I-Am> we dont want to re-invent someone else's docs... so imho, for things like galera, we should point people at the galera docs 21:18:15 <Shamail> I'd like to help with that (as a co-developer or reviewer) 21:18:19 <nickchase> Sure. 21:18:21 <Sam-I-Am> however, how to implement galera with openstack is our thing. 21:18:25 <nickchase> ok, great. 21:18:27 <nickchase> yes. 21:18:35 <Shamail> I agree Sam-I-Am 21:18:41 <nickchase> #action nickchase Add structure for HA strategy. 21:18:55 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: hey this is already better than the docs meeting today :) 21:18:57 <nickchase> #agreed We don't want to duplicate existing docs (ie, for Galera) 21:19:12 <nickchase> Sam-I-Am: I can start a fist fight if you want. :) 21:19:17 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: can we make the ha guide pretty? :) 21:19:21 <Shamail> Did Matt do a read-out for his task of reviewing the install-guide? 21:19:24 <nickchase> :) 21:19:27 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: i prefer dumpster fires 21:19:39 <nickchase> Shamail: my understanding is he's still working on it. 21:20:06 <Shamail> Cool. I missed last week so wasn't sure (I could've reviewed notes) 21:20:25 <nickchase> so moving on... 21:20:26 <nickchase> OK, so the Mirantis guys are looking at which topics they think they can complete quickly and efficiently and let us know. 21:20:52 <nickchase> so between that and the existing content, that'll give us some structure for figuring out what we still need to assign. 21:21:08 <Shamail> Please let me know which topics are "up for grabs" as well. I'm willing and able. :) 21:21:36 <nickchase> Great. 21:21:58 <nickchase> OK, so do we have an actual agenda (he said, slapping his forehead)? 21:22:24 <Shamail> Not sure, although I did want to mention my task and its lack of completion. :) 21:22:32 <Sam-I-Am> not much beyond task updates from last meeting 21:22:45 <Sam-I-Am> and maybe that we'll do this in rst :) 21:23:01 <nickchase> apparently it's TBD. :) 21:23:07 <Shamail> Hehe 21:23:10 <nickchase> I'm fine to do it in RST now that we know how. :) 21:23:16 <nickchase> it's easy peasy to get it set up. 21:23:31 <nickchase> Even if I do seem to be giving Andreas hives. :) 21:23:33 <Shamail> Someone fill me in! I'm all for it. 21:23:48 <nickchase> what, how to do RST? 21:24:11 <Sam-I-Am> probably a good thing to determine early so we don't get another network guide fiasco 21:24:35 <Shamail> No, switching. :-) 21:24:46 <nickchase> we haven't decided, to the best of my knowledge. 21:25:05 <nickchase> and I don't think we should without Matt here. 21:25:15 <nickchase> Discussion for the mailing list, perhaps? 21:25:34 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: yes 21:25:35 <nickchase> any objections to discussing on the ML? 21:25:41 <nickchase> great. 21:25:49 <Shamail> Nope 21:26:02 <nickchase> #agreed We'll take the discussion of RST vs Docbook to the mailing list. 21:26:19 <nickchase> OK, so do we have anything else right now? 21:26:28 <Shamail> So, as Matt was reviewing install-guide, I have volunteered to review ops-guide. The intention was to review it to determine whether it contains "recovery" information from failures. I was out of the office last week but I wanted to let everyone know that I am still planning to go through all 300+ pages. 21:26:41 <nickchase> excellent. 21:26:45 <Sam-I-Am> i dont think there's much in the ops guide about ha 21:26:58 <Sam-I-Am> but you never know. such is the problem with a lot of different-but-not-really guides 21:26:59 <Shamail> I don't think so either but should it? 21:27:00 <nickchase> #action Shamail Review the ops guide for any references that are relevant to HA. 21:27:17 <nickchase> #action Sam-I-Am Review the install guide for any references that are relevant to HA. 21:27:21 <Shamail> I'm going to steal that term Sam-I-Am 21:27:40 <Sam-I-Am> oh, was that MY thing, or matt's thing :) lol 21:27:44 <nickchase> I think that in places where it's relevant we should link it over ot the HA guide. 21:27:45 <Sam-I-Am> sometimes i'm sam, sometimes i'm not 21:27:57 <Shamail> lol 21:28:10 <nickchase> :) 21:28:15 <nickchase> what else we got? 21:28:23 <Sam-I-Am> so i'm doing the install guide bits? 21:28:31 <Sam-I-Am> where should we log these things, an etherpad? 21:28:49 <nickchase> If you prefer. I like the wiki better but I'm not in charge. 21:28:52 <Shamail> Do we know which sessions were proposed for Vancouver in relation to HA? 21:29:00 <nickchase> I do not. 21:29:03 <Shamail> I submitted one but wasn't sure if others did 21:29:21 <Sam-I-Am> i dont either. probably best to wait until they're voted on. 21:29:23 <nickchase> I was woefully under-diligent in voting. 21:29:27 <Shamail> I prefer wiki as well 21:29:32 <Sam-I-Am> then maybe some of us can hit those sessions 21:29:35 <nickchase> you're outvoted, matt. :) 21:29:52 <Sam-I-Am> wiki is fine 21:30:11 <Sam-I-Am> i spent half a day voting and only got through maybe 1/4 of them 21:30:20 <nickchase> you want to create wiki pages and link them to the main page or do you want me to? 21:30:29 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: you can do it, managerate! 21:30:33 <nickchase> I cherry-picked the ones that looked interesting. 21:30:37 <nickchase> :) 21:31:02 <nickchase> #action nickchase Create wiki pages for the install guide and ops guide notes and link them from the main HA guide page. 21:31:22 <nickchase> next? 21:31:58 <Shamail> I'm done :) 21:32:10 <nickchase> Sam-I-Am? 21:32:18 <Sam-I-Am> i think we're good, sir 21:32:22 <nickchase> excellent. 21:32:28 <Sam-I-Am> make sure you send an update e-mail with our tasks :) 21:32:31 <nickchase> I hereby return the next 28 mintues. 21:32:36 <nickchase> :) 21:32:43 <nickchase> I managerated them properly in the bot, I hope. 21:32:46 <Sam-I-Am> i'll see you tomorrow for Yet Another Meeting 21:32:46 <nickchase> #endmeeting