21:01:47 <mattgriffin> #startmeeting HA Guide Update
21:01:48 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Feb 19 21:01:47 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is mattgriffin. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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21:02:07 <mattgriffin> welcome megm_, nickchase
21:02:53 <nickchase> Sam-I-Am we already had one in the wiki, actually
21:02:56 <nickchase> from a while back
21:03:01 <nickchase> I've talked to our HA people
21:03:09 <nickchase> and they went through what we had and vetted it
21:03:24 <nickchase> what's there is what they feel will give us good results.
21:03:37 <Sam-I-Am> cool
21:03:40 <mattgriffin> #info today's agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Documentation/HA_Guide_Update#Next_Meeting
21:03:43 <nickchase> we can discuss, of course
21:04:38 <nickchase> ok so I have a hard stop on the half hour, actually
21:04:43 <nickchase> I apologize for that
21:04:44 <mattgriffin> nickchase, cool
21:04:47 <mattgriffin> np
21:04:50 <nickchase> apparently nobody knows how to read a calendar :(
21:04:54 <mattgriffin> haha
21:05:02 <Sam-I-Am> time is overrated
21:05:28 <mattgriffin> for the benefit of others, megm_, nickchase, sriram, and I had a Hangout on last Tues
21:05:31 <megm_> Can't you multitask?  ;-)
21:05:33 * Sam-I-Am is looking over the TOC. didnt know about the link until now :/
21:05:43 <mattgriffin> Notes added here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-basic-install-steps
21:05:49 <nickchase> :)  I can to some extent
21:05:56 <mattgriffin> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-basic-install-steps
21:06:38 * nickchase had forgotten about it until he asked Meg to see if there was already a blueprint (which there was).
21:06:41 <megm_> We also have a blueprint that targets this for Kilo.
21:06:46 <mattgriffin> we made some decisions on where we think the structure of the HA Guide should go in the future
21:07:18 <mattgriffin> Sam-I-Am, sorry... should have sent around in a mailing list email
21:07:45 <mattgriffin> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/HAGuideImprovements/TOC
21:07:50 <nickchase> Well, let's just make sure we do that in the minutes today.
21:07:59 <Sam-I-Am> is there a separate ha mailing list, or is it just a tag on the docs list?
21:08:11 <nickchase> tag: [ha-guide] I think
21:08:32 <mattgriffin> nickchase, great stuff so far
21:09:01 <nickchase> well, megm_ did the starting point and I handed it off to the SMEs so i can't take credit. :)
21:09:02 <mattgriffin> nickchase, TOC still in progress?
21:09:11 <mattgriffin> megm_, +1 :)
21:09:18 <nickchase> the SME's have had at it from a content standpoint
21:09:25 <Sam-I-Am> so there's still some pacemaker stuff in here
21:09:35 <nickchase> we should look at it from a writing standpoint and see if there's some stuff we need to look at
21:09:43 <nickchase> they do use pacemaker.  if ...
21:09:47 <megm_> Nick, I just added a couple more sections and some details
21:09:56 <Sam-I-Am> also dont see memcached (which doesnt really HA, but oslo supports hash synchronization among services)
21:10:03 <nickchase> you feel it doesn't belong, let's talk about what you think it should be instead and we'll go back to them to see what the story is.
21:10:34 <nickchase> that's why we're having this conversation.  if you feel something is missing or out of place let's figure that out
21:10:50 * mattgriffin reads
21:11:02 <Sam-I-Am> i'm going to add some memcached stuff
21:12:08 <nickchase> ok, please do.
21:12:21 <nickchase> if you could add some context on why you think it should be there that'd be great too
21:12:35 <mattgriffin> i think that's essentially homework for all - review the ToC
21:13:07 <mattgriffin> nickchase, do these sections correspond with Install Guide sections?
21:13:35 <mattgriffin> or mostly map to them?
21:13:49 <megm_> The Install Guide outline had memcached mentioned for Horizon
21:13:49 <Sam-I-Am> for the most part
21:13:53 <mattgriffin> looks like it to me
21:13:54 <mattgriffin> ok
21:14:13 <Sam-I-Am> megm_: theres a lot of places where memcached makes sense for performance reasons
21:14:18 <megm_> Yes, I basically structured this based on the etherpad that had the Install Guide structure
21:14:19 <Sam-I-Am> also, apache on top of keystone
21:14:35 <Sam-I-Am> its sort of performance-related, but also apache handled redundancy a little better imho
21:14:36 <megm_> then I annotated for HA based on the old HA guide, etc
21:16:14 <nickchase> OK, so in the interest of time, what are our next steps?
21:16:40 <mattgriffin> review the ToC and update for next week
21:16:47 <nickchase> great.
21:16:55 <megm_> Can we identify pieces of the old HA Guide that are worth preserving?
21:17:10 <megm_> Then set up the RST files and put those in?
21:18:15 <mattgriffin> hopefully we can find some old Guide content to retain in the new structure
21:18:24 <Sam-I-Am> there's probabably some stuff
21:18:36 <nickchase> +1
21:18:39 <Sam-I-Am> should one person or all of us take that action item?
21:18:41 <nickchase> but is it in docbook or rst?
21:18:44 <nickchase> docbook, Iw ould think
21:18:45 <mattgriffin> that can be homework too for next week.
21:18:46 <Sam-I-Am> and make notes in the ToC as necessary
21:18:51 <megm_> Yes, although maybe not a lot...
21:18:58 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: its docbook now, but we could converterate it
21:19:43 <megm_> Are we missing any "big" topics in the TOC?  That should be a review priority.
21:20:16 <nickchase> we should but can I request we postpone converterating it until we work the bugs out of converterating the Networking guide?
21:20:38 <nickchase> (though I hope to have that fixed shortly)
21:20:42 <nickchase> (see, I DO multitask. :))
21:20:50 <megm_> The old etherpad has links to specific HA Guide sections for each topic.  We could use that to mark each section as Keep or Replace
21:20:55 <Sam-I-Am> nickchase: luckily there's not much to do for the networking guide
21:21:05 <nickchase> +1 on both
21:21:19 <Sam-I-Am> megm_: TOC first, things we can convert second?
21:21:19 <mattgriffin> megm_, which pad?
21:21:34 <megm_> Okay, but I'm thinking all new writing should be done in RST so we don't have more to convert
21:21:50 <megm_> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-basic-install-steps
21:21:56 <mattgriffin> megm_, yes... TOC first then convert second if needed
21:22:09 <nickchase> remember that etherpad is NOT the TOC for htis book
21:22:17 <nickchase> it's only about the install guide
21:22:32 <mattgriffin> yes. that was just a catalog of main steps at a high level
21:22:45 <megm_> I could move the links to the appropriate TOC sections here -- would that be too muddy?
21:23:10 <mattgriffin> megm_, i think that would be helpful
21:23:38 <megm_> Perhaps in each section, just add an item like "Keep <link>" or "Replace <link>"?
21:25:03 <megm_> Are we writing for Juno or Kilo or both?
21:25:17 <mattgriffin> megm_, as we discussed on Tues, the sections of the HA Guide will handoff to the Install Guide (or other guides) sections so I don't think it would hurt to get started on adding those URLs
21:25:28 <Sam-I-Am> megm_: kilo makes sense, especially in light of DVR/L3HA
21:25:43 <megm_> Matt, I was referring to links to the old HA Guide here
21:25:52 <nickchase> (my 430 got moved to 445 so I have another 15 minutes.)
21:26:16 <mattgriffin> megm_, ah... gotcha. then i think starting on the keep/replace links is good
21:26:54 <megm_> But yes, adding specific Install Guide links is also good.  What is the URL I should use?
21:27:02 <Sam-I-Am> interestingly enough, wikis do not handle multiple editors :)
21:27:43 <megm_> Sam, you mean simultaneously, right?  Can you edit the wiki if noone else is in it?
21:28:17 <mattgriffin> megm_, for the Install Guide, the "basic-install-steps" pad has links to each section for the different services
21:28:20 <megm_> Be sure you're logged in -- it logs me out very quickly...
21:28:26 <Sam-I-Am> megm_: you can, but sometimes changes get squished
21:29:22 <megm_> Ah, I see -- okay, I'll add those plus links to HA Guide
21:29:43 <mattgriffin> so the action item(s) for next week are to review and update the TOC. megm_ will start to add links to the TOC for content to keep/replace and links to the related areas in the Install Guide.
21:30:02 <mattgriffin> let's wait on converting until the TOC is done-ish
21:30:07 <megm_> +1 on Matt's statement
21:30:34 <nickchase> +1
21:30:41 * Sam-I-Am is matt too lol
21:30:47 <Sam-I-Am> just call me sam, everyone else does
21:30:48 <mattgriffin> hehe
21:30:50 <Sam-I-Am> even at work
21:31:04 <megm_> Thanks, Sam -- I wondered about that...
21:31:10 <mattgriffin> :)
21:31:19 <mattgriffin> any other topics to discuss for this week?
21:31:33 <nickchase> I got nothing
21:31:46 <mattgriffin> cool... ending meeting
21:31:47 <Sam-I-Am> do the toc!
21:31:52 <mattgriffin> :)
21:31:55 <mattgriffin> #endmeeting