12:00:10 <asalkeld> #startmeeting heat
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12:00:29 <skraynev> o/
12:01:18 <asalkeld> skraynev, just us two
12:01:24 <asalkeld> :-/
12:01:31 <skraynev> :-/
12:01:33 <skraynev> agree
12:01:42 <skraynev> shardy?
12:02:03 <asalkeld> well we are going to cut kilo-2 in the next 12hours
12:02:25 <zaneb> o/
12:02:27 <skraynev> afaik, pas-ha ills
12:02:31 <skraynev> \o/
12:02:53 <asalkeld> #topic Review action items from last meeting
12:02:59 <skraynev> asalkeld, I thought, that ot will be at the end of week
12:03:07 <asalkeld> nope
12:03:23 <asalkeld> so stevebaker had an action, which he did
12:03:33 <asalkeld> (stirred the pot)
12:03:48 <asalkeld> #topic Adding items to the agenda
12:04:12 <skraynev> yes.
12:04:23 <skraynev> discussion looks interesting
12:04:33 <asalkeld> zaneb, i guess not worth talking about that config option - not enough people
12:04:45 <skraynev> and only one real opposite opinion from zaneb
12:04:45 <zaneb> ok
12:05:14 <zaneb> I see lifeless trying to ping me overnight
12:05:37 <skraynev> may be he wanted to change you opinion :)
12:05:38 <zaneb> I think SpamapS has a point, but tbh I'm not persuaded yet
12:05:55 <asalkeld> zaneb, if that config is super short termed - that's ok
12:06:07 <asalkeld> (development tool really)
12:06:29 <asalkeld> it really depends on how long people have to wait for a stable convergences
12:06:30 <zaneb> yeah, I think I didn't do a very good job in the initial version of the spec of describing the purpose of it
12:06:51 <asalkeld> and if they have to choose
12:07:01 <skraynev> IMO, there are two cool benefits: 1. using existing Jenkins job and 2. using both code paths without restarting srvice
12:07:03 <asalkeld> hopefully they won't have to
12:07:05 <skraynev> *service
12:07:21 <zaneb> I think the goal should be turn it on early in Lizard and make sure the bugs are ironed out before the end
12:07:25 <asalkeld> skraynev, somewhat agree, but that's our problem
12:07:45 <asalkeld> shouldn't push that to the user, unless they really need that
12:07:49 <zaneb> but I know TripleO are trunk-chasing and may legitimately worry about that
12:07:52 <skraynev> asalkeld: sure
12:08:01 <zaneb> but there's nothing particularly special about this feature
12:08:25 <asalkeld> i am not keep on making fake api options tho'
12:08:32 <zaneb> you could make that complaint about any patch. "what if it has a bug?"
12:08:51 <zaneb> well, you try it and see if you want to assume the risk
12:09:06 <zaneb> and if you don't then maybe chasing trunk is not for you
12:09:26 <asalkeld> or tripelo could contribute some scenario tests?
12:10:09 <asalkeld> anyways, lets move on
12:10:17 <asalkeld> #topic kilo-2
12:10:22 <zaneb> I'll try to chat to lifeless, maybe he has a specific scenario in mind that would be persuasive
12:10:32 <asalkeld> #link https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/kilo-2
12:10:37 <zaneb> TZs are a pain, as usual :/
12:11:00 <asalkeld> you are on the other side of NZ
12:11:28 <asalkeld> looks like i'll have to push decouple-nested and stack-breakpoints
12:11:37 <skraynev> zaneb: need create one big code place for Heat team :)
12:11:58 <skraynev> zaneb: on Hawaii, I suppose
12:12:05 <zaneb> lol
12:12:16 <asalkeld> sounds good
12:12:25 <zaneb> I expect taht would be popular ;)
12:12:34 <asalkeld> i have claim to have coded on a beach in hawaii
12:12:43 <asalkeld> (big island)
12:12:47 <asalkeld> very relaxing
12:12:52 <skraynev> )))
12:13:14 <skraynev> just imagine: you lay on beach and discuss convergence...
12:13:21 <asalkeld> ttx you about?
12:13:55 <asalkeld> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/decouple-nested
12:14:00 <asalkeld> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/stack-breakpoint
12:14:07 <asalkeld> moving to k3 ^
12:14:20 <asalkeld> both should land in a week
12:14:31 <asalkeld> but not soon enough
12:15:04 <asalkeld> zaneb, skraynev https://review.openstack.org/#/c/147463/
12:15:14 <asalkeld> that's the last bug for k2 ^
12:15:32 <asalkeld> #topic open discussion
12:16:10 <zaneb> asalkeld: I wonder if in that case we should just raise UpdateReplace
12:16:25 <zaneb> rather than putting in special case logic
12:16:36 <asalkeld> zaneb, either does the job
12:16:49 <asalkeld> both would be "special"
12:17:02 <zaneb> fair point
12:17:08 <zaneb> I'll review after this
12:17:12 <asalkeld> cool
12:17:30 <asalkeld> zaneb, if you have an issue with it can you move the bug to k3 please
12:18:14 <zaneb> sure, I will either +2 or propose a new patch
12:18:25 <zaneb> (and get it reviewed)
12:18:39 <asalkeld> cool, thx
12:18:57 <asalkeld> after 10pm here so no real time to do that
12:19:15 <zaneb> np
12:19:20 <zaneb> I will chase it
12:20:18 <asalkeld> zaneb, skraynev can i end early? - you have anything more?
12:20:29 <skraynev> nothing for me
12:20:39 <zaneb> I don't have anything else
12:20:48 <zaneb> gotu: anything to discuss?
12:20:49 <asalkeld> ok later guys
12:21:06 <asalkeld> gotu, ...
12:21:37 <gotu> ananta = gotu sorry for confusion :)
12:21:49 <yield> ;)
12:21:52 <gotu> Device problem
12:22:26 <asalkeld> what's up gotu?
12:22:30 <gotu> Nothing much from my side
12:22:39 <KanagarajM> zaneb: i have added work items in the comment https://review.openstack.org/#/c/152304/2/specs/kilo/convergence-message-bus.rst
12:23:12 <gotu> I will be reviewing the specs by this week
12:23:30 <asalkeld> zaneb, since when is a async request not rpc?
12:23:59 <asalkeld> anyways, confused me more
12:24:15 <zaneb> asalkeld: sorry. I was trying to create less confusion ;)
12:24:36 <asalkeld> in openstack land notifications == something specila
12:24:57 <asalkeld> more generically i'd agree with you
12:25:00 <zaneb> KanagarajM: ok, I can add those into the spec for the next patch set. but I think we are agreed on them anyway
12:25:20 <zaneb> asalkeld: right, I was speaking generically :)
12:26:01 <KanagarajM> zaneb: thanks.
12:26:16 <asalkeld> ok, does everyone that has a convergence spec commited to getting that code in promptly?
12:26:28 * asalkeld hopes so
12:26:28 <zaneb> asalkeld: FYI https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Remote_procedure_call
12:27:01 <zaneb> yeah, there are other people who have volunteered in the past
12:27:23 <zaneb> so if anybody has too much on their plate, we can get other people to pick it up
12:28:00 <asalkeld> ok, let's move to #heat
12:28:05 <asalkeld> #endmeeting