16:00:22 <david-lyle> #startmeeting Horizon
16:00:23 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Apr 29 16:00:22 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:26 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizon'
16:00:35 <jrist> morning dansmith
16:00:40 <jrist> erm
16:00:42 <jrist> morning david-lyle
16:00:44 <akrivoka> hi everyone
16:00:49 <david-lyle> good morning
16:00:49 <akrivoka> o/
16:00:51 <jpich> Hey
16:00:52 <jrist> hi akrivoka - feeling better?
16:01:05 <pbelanyi_> hi
16:01:06 <akrivoka> jrist: yes! all better now :)
16:01:08 <akrivoka> jrist: thanks!
16:02:19 <tzumainn> hiya!
16:02:36 <lblanchard> hi all!
16:02:41 <tqtran> hi =)
16:02:52 <david-lyle> I really only wanted to use today to discuss the proposed session schedule for the summit and hopefully address any conflicts before the schedule is finalized.
16:03:10 <lsmola> hello
16:03:10 <david-lyle> http://junodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon
16:03:23 <david-lyle> as this is the "off week"
16:03:25 <david-lyle> :)
16:03:55 <lblanchard> david-lyle: thanks very much for switching my session yesterday…Sounds like we will be able to reschedule the conflict we are having with the Horizon/Ops session…so it looks great to me :)
16:04:07 <david-lyle> lblanchard: excellent
16:04:18 <david-lyle> thanks for the flexibility
16:05:21 <david-lyle> the tripleO sessions all fall after the Horizon, so that should be ok.  Does anyone else have a conflict that prohibits their participation in a session they are leading?
16:06:24 <david-lyle> I did double up several sessions slots, I think we will still be ok time wise.
16:07:20 <david-lyle> As for the logistics around the sessions...  Typically there will be a unified cross-project page to link all the session etherpads from
16:08:31 <david-lyle> once we have that, if the topic owners would create an etherpad for their session/part of session and fill in whatever content they feel relevant to their part, typically an outline, link to related bps, even discussion topics
16:08:35 <lblanchard> david-lyle: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Juno/Etherpads
16:08:39 <david-lyle> that will help the flow of the sessions
16:09:09 <david-lyle> ah, thanks lblanchard
16:09:11 <lblanchard> noticed an e-mail on the TripleO list this morning about the wiki for Etherpads…
16:10:27 <david-lyle> then the flow of the sessions for those who haven't participated before, is usually the floor is given to the individual who proposed the topic and they can present/lead a discussion, and others will take additional notes on the etherpad
16:11:14 <david-lyle> This not a formal talk, but an interactive discussion and there will be questions input, requests for input, etc
16:11:51 <jrist> +1
16:11:52 <david-lyle> there will be a project to for demo/sharing etc
16:12:14 <tqtran> oh nice
16:12:30 <lsmola> cool
16:12:50 <david-lyle> does anyone have questions?  I know we have some new folks that have topics, so I wanted to give you an idea what the expectations are, if you just want to start the conversation that's fine too
16:13:56 <david-lyle> easy enough :)
16:14:06 <david-lyle> #topic Open Discussion
16:14:12 <lblanchard> david-lyle: all sounds great to me!
16:14:48 <pbelanyi_> I have one topic
16:14:58 <david-lyle> sure
16:15:21 * lsmola is looking forward to his first OpenStack summit
16:15:26 <pbelanyi_> we had a debate with MaxV about the ethics of monkey patching, here is the relevant patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/80990/
16:15:27 * jrist too
16:15:44 <pbelanyi_> I think the comments tell it all
16:16:13 <pbelanyi_> we couldn't decide if monkey patching is ok or not, se we wanted to get some other opinions about it
16:17:19 <lsmola> I give -1 to monkey patching
16:17:27 <david-lyle> pbelanyi_: so we have a select few cases of monkey patching in Horizon now
16:17:57 <david-lyle> the one I can think of is related to django/auth
16:19:40 <jpich> The monkey patch approach has the advantage of not requiring the tests to be changed when it gets removed later. And it would happen in one of the test files (test settings)
16:20:03 <david-lyle> or we stop supporting django 1.4
16:20:13 <jpich> I don't have a super strong opinion on it either way, up to the patch author to decide IMO :)
16:20:53 * pbelanyi_ feels the power flowing through him
16:20:58 <tzumainn> lol
16:21:34 <lsmola> hehe
16:21:53 <david-lyle> never thought I'd call a monkey patch elegant, but it feels more elegant than the other proposed solution
16:22:27 <jpich> Django 1.4 is listed as a LTS upstream and supported until March 2015, it'd be nice to keep supporting it as long as it's not an otherwordly effort to do so imo
16:23:54 <pbelanyi_> well, it seems to me there is slightly more support for the monkey patch, so I think I'll submit it and see if it gets pluses
16:24:01 <pbelanyi_> thanks for the feedback!
16:25:07 <david-lyle> jpich, I don't think we're rushing to remove support for 1.4
16:25:34 <jpich> dansmith: Sounds good to me, that was in reply to your comment :)
16:25:52 <david-lyle> just that it will happen, after we all long forget what patch_bug_1273943() related to
16:26:03 <jpich> haha
16:26:43 <david-lyle> anyone else have anything, or should we pretend we take off weeks off
16:29:16 <akrivoka> may I ask for someone to look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90997/ - it is required by a tuskar UI patch
16:29:45 <david-lyle> akrivoka: sure
16:29:46 <tqtran> actually quick question, how stable is wifi during the summit?
16:29:53 <akrivoka> david-lyle: thanks David
16:30:05 <tzumainn> akrivoka, I'm still taking a look as well, although my voting powers are far less : )
16:30:14 <david-lyle> tqtran: quite stable usually
16:30:37 <david-lyle> some sites like the summit schedule and etherpad sometimes topple under the load
16:30:40 <akrivoka> tzumainn: they are very much appreciated, nonetheless! thanks!
16:30:44 <david-lyle> for short periods of time
16:30:53 <peristeri> there's also a long forgotten patch needing some attention: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/58214/
16:32:00 <david-lyle> that is long in the tooth :(
16:32:41 <david-lyle> many reviews in general are needed
16:33:18 <david-lyle> remember non-core reviews help a great deal as well, I know a lot of people are active reviewers and that is greatly appreciated
16:33:26 <akrivoka> review all the things!
16:33:36 <akrivoka> :)
16:34:33 <david-lyle> I think we can call it early today.  Thanks everyone.  Have a great week and pretend to be off for a little while this week.
16:34:38 <david-lyle> #endmeeting