16:00:23 <david-lyle> #startmeeting horizon
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16:00:27 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizon'
16:00:33 <david-lyle> Hello everyone!
16:00:36 <julim> hi all
16:00:39 <lhcheng> hello!
16:00:43 <jpich> Hello
16:00:44 <sdoyle> hello
16:00:47 <Sanjay> Hello
16:00:52 <jgravel_> hi
16:00:59 <rhagarty> hello
16:01:03 <wchrisj> Hi
16:01:08 <gugl> hi
16:01:15 <bpokorny> Hi
16:01:31 <TravT> hello
16:02:14 <david-lyle> The agenda for today's meeting can be found https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Horizon
16:02:19 <rdopieralski> hi
16:02:40 <david-lyle> Most of what's planned for today is final prep for the summit
16:02:42 <david-lyle> but first
16:02:55 <david-lyle> #topic Cross Project Liaisons
16:03:08 <david-lyle> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons
16:03:50 <david-lyle> Several cross project teams have gone to liaison approach like oslo used in the last release
16:04:25 <david-lyle> There are four separate opportunities to participate as a liaison if you wish to
16:05:01 <david-lyle> amotoki has oslo covered for this release. and jpich has docs
16:05:25 <david-lyle> that leaves QA and vulnerability management
16:05:51 <jpich> Looks like they both require folks to be core reviewers
16:06:11 <david-lyle> you can read the plan for engagement on the wiki page
16:06:20 <david-lyle> I think some can be non-core as well
16:06:36 <david-lyle> but core is prefered
16:06:40 <jpich> s/require/prefer/ yeah, I'm sure we can work something out with interested people :)
16:06:45 <david-lyle> VM may be the exception to that
16:07:25 <david-lyle> So if you have an interest feel free to sign up on the wiki
16:07:30 <lhcheng> david-lyle: I'll sign up for the VM
16:07:40 <david-lyle> lhcheng: \o/
16:07:48 <david-lyle> thanks!
16:09:17 <david-lyle> amotoki: got lazy :)
16:10:08 <david-lyle> Thanks all who have volunteered
16:10:14 <david-lyle> #topic Summit
16:10:20 <amotoki> one question: for VM liaison, one needs to be horizon-coresec member?
16:10:59 <lhcheng> amotoki: v11y m8t ?
16:11:14 <david-lyle> I updated the coresec in Juno, let me verify
16:11:19 <amotoki> lhcheng: yes.
16:11:35 <amotoki> I think limited team (bug team?) can access private security bugs.
16:12:10 <david-lyle> amotoki, you are not on it for some reason, would you like to be?
16:13:00 <amotoki> david-lyle: either will do. my question is vulnarability management liaison should be able to access to such bugs.
16:13:32 <david-lyle> amotoki: yes they should
16:13:37 <amotoki> david-lyle: and i am not sure who can access private sec bugs.
16:13:39 <david-lyle> lhcheng: is in coresec
16:14:30 <amotoki> i think lhcheng is good for that. just to clarify the requirements.
16:14:37 <amotoki> please move on.
16:14:45 <tzumainn> hi
16:15:00 <david-lyle> ok topic is summit
16:15:22 <david-lyle> the suggested topic list was #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit
16:15:50 <david-lyle> I took the top vote getters and made them sessions #link http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/overview/type/horizon
16:16:49 <david-lyle> Items that didn't make the cut can certainly be covered in the contributor meetup on Fri
16:17:10 <david-lyle> one of those is config file changes
16:17:28 <david-lyle> for extensions, but there are others as well
16:18:15 <david-lyle> the rest of the time on Fri we can fill with topics from the formal sessions that need more time or ?
16:18:39 <david-lyle> I've set up an etherpad for all the sessions and the contributor meetup
16:18:56 <david-lyle> feel free to add topic suggestions to the contributor meetup
16:19:12 <david-lyle> one thing I omitted in the session writeups is the leader
16:19:29 <david-lyle> that can be extracted from the original proposal etherpad
16:20:05 <david-lyle> if you are the leader, please prepare the content for the session as you see fit. And hopefully provide a bit of an outline on the etherpad
16:21:03 <julim> david-lyle: I've already populated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux with proposed agenda
16:21:25 <david-lyle> An additional note... Before the Horizon/Keystone session on Wed, will be a matching Horizon/Keystone session in the Keystone slot, same room, just preceeding
16:22:14 <david-lyle> there are several things keystone is working on that will directly impact Horizon in Kilo, additionally the way we currently do things is an impediment to keystone moving forward
16:23:08 <david-lyle> so morgainfainberg and I have set up these sessions to get everyone on the same page and make a plan for moving forward
16:23:17 <david-lyle> thanks julim
16:23:37 <david-lyle> Any questions about the sessions, schedule, etc?
16:23:38 <julim> np david-lyle. worried we won't have enough time and may have to use friday meetup to cover what does not get covered
16:24:34 <david-lyle> I figured that could be the case
16:24:44 <rdopieralski> david-lyle: sorry, I can't be there on Friday
16:25:06 <rdopieralski> david-lyle: so I will leave my slides and notes to someone, I guess
16:25:21 <david-lyle> rdopieralski: let's make some time before that
16:26:20 <david-lyle> we'll have some pod space, we could set up a time to get interested people to meet up there
16:26:48 <rdopieralski> david-lyle: that would be awesome, thanks
16:27:58 <david-lyle> Once there and figure out what we have exactly, I'll try to set up a time
16:28:57 <david-lyle> rdopieralski: can you set up an etherpad and link it on the wiki with the other horizon sessions? that way we can figure out who's actually interested and make sure we have a way to communicate timing with them
16:29:11 <rdopieralski> david-lyle: certainly
16:29:32 <david-lyle> thanks
16:29:47 <david-lyle> other questions or concerns?
16:29:49 <TravT> david-lyle: is there a plan for a lunch get together or anything like that on any of the days for people to just get to know each other?
16:30:30 <david-lyle> TravT: that was my next item, thanks for the subtle prodding to move on :)
16:30:38 <TravT> :)
16:31:29 <david-lyle> In Atlanta, we met informally on Sunday night at a random bar near the conference. Is that something people would be interested in doing again?
16:31:41 <david-lyle> I'm open to location suggestions if so
16:31:46 <julim> TravT - pls look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux to add anything related to what you'll be showing
16:31:55 <mwhagedorn> david-lyle: I would be up for that
16:31:59 <TravT> julim: i will, thanks!
16:32:05 <jpich> I think that was great and we should do it again yeah
16:32:06 <tsufiev> david-lyle, definitely interesting!
16:32:06 <akrivoka> I am up for it as well
16:32:14 <sdoyle> sunday night sounds good, i'm looking forward to meeting you all
16:32:24 <julim> amotoki - can you please also look at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-horizon-ux to see if you'd like to present something around networking improvements?
16:32:33 <TravT> I'd enjoy meeting up
16:32:37 <julim> +1 sunday meetup sounds good
16:32:40 <rbertram> +1 for Sunday night
16:32:52 <amotoki> julim: is the page linked from horizon main summit etherpad?
16:32:52 <tsufiev> btw, Sunday after or before Summit?
16:33:02 <jpich> Before I would assume :)
16:33:04 <david-lyle> tsufiev: before
16:33:08 <julim> yes amotoki - from link that david-lyle sent
16:33:12 <wchrisj> +1 for Sunday meetup
16:33:19 <absubram> +1
16:33:25 <david-lyle> amotoki: also linked on the horizon meeting page
16:33:41 <johnma> I thought there was a Women of Openstack get together on Sunday
16:33:48 <julim> david-lyle… I'm told the places near the conference place are very expensive (as that's the embassy row)
16:33:50 <jpich> Last time we met in one of the conference official hotels' bar, seems the ones for Paris have a dress code. Do we risk it? :) Does someone know places?
16:34:16 <julim> dneary might be able to offer suggestions but told me places nearby are rather posh
16:34:32 <TravT> jpich: dress code?  uh-oh. so no openstack hoodie?
16:34:50 <mwhagedorn> jpitch define dress code?
16:35:17 <jpich> I dunno, look here: http://www.parisetoile.regency.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/bar-la-vue.html "Smart casual, trendy"
16:35:32 <david-lyle> alas, I'm none of those things
16:35:42 <TravT> jpich: i can meet one of those three if I try hard.
16:35:43 <akrivoka> lol
16:35:47 <mwhagedorn> arent we all smart, casual and trendy?
16:35:54 <julim> does that mean business casual?
16:36:05 <akrivoka> that's engineer unfriendly
16:36:08 <mwhagedorn> david-lyle you SCREAM trendy
16:36:13 <mwhagedorn> (:))
16:36:48 <jpich> Anyone else's hotel has a non-dress code bar we could meet at? :)
16:37:43 <akrivoka> burger king it is!
16:37:47 <tzumainn> hahahahaha
16:37:54 <tzumainn> akrivoka +1
16:37:54 * tsufiev may seem slowpoke, but: when does the 'sunday night' begins, at what time? Considering whether I'm arriving early enough on Sunday...
16:38:00 <TravT> here's what le meridien has: http://www.lemeridienetoile.com/en/restaurants-paris
16:38:13 <akrivoka> that was a joke, just to be absolutely clear
16:38:20 <tzumainn> oh :(
16:38:29 <clu_> also, whatever we finalize on should be put here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit to serve as a reminder :)
16:39:29 <jpich> We should do that soon before people start travelling, and post it on the ML too
16:39:37 <jpich> tsufiev: I think last time we met around 8:30 maybe?
16:41:16 <TravT> jpich: that bar at the regency looks really cool
16:41:50 <tsufiev> jpich, thanks, going to change my arrival time to not be late :)
16:42:05 <jpich> Is it? Should we try it? People, please wear a shirt and call it trendy? :-)
16:42:18 <julim> what about the place where the women of openstack is at (Salon Panoramique ESPACE 56, Tour Montparnasse building, 33 Avenue du Maine, Paris, France)?
16:42:33 <julim> jpich -- is that a possible venue?
16:42:35 <jpich> tsufiev: If last time is any indication, people will come and go at all times so it's ok to be "late" :)
16:42:39 <tsufiev> TravT, +1 for le meridien bar, because it's the hotel I'm staying at :)
16:42:44 <jpich> julim: is it far?
16:42:57 <david-lyle> jpich if we all wear the same shirt, there's no way they can say it's not trendy
16:43:03 <jpich> Is there space for us to not be taking over? :)
16:43:12 <julim> jpich - not nearby. 2 trains to get there
16:43:59 <jpich> david-lyle: Oh! good point! People, make sure to register first and wear whatever the conference swag is this time :-)
16:44:14 <david-lyle> we could meet at the meridien and if it does not meet our slovenly needs, change locale
16:44:26 <david-lyle> I don't see Sunday hours on the Meridien bar though
16:44:37 <jpich> julim: It's not clear to me if you can go without booking
16:44:40 <mwhagedorn> I dont know.. my slovenly needs are pretty extrem :)
16:44:53 <TravT> is regency next to meridien?
16:45:01 <julim> jpich - ack. oh well… thought it might be an easy place to try...
16:45:09 <david-lyle> TravT: across the street
16:45:12 <wchrisj> TravT - Across the street
16:45:19 <wchrisj> sorry ;-)
16:45:25 <TravT> we can always start at meridien. and migrate or vice versa.
16:45:39 <jpich> so the jazz lounge bar at the meridien is it?
16:45:55 <tzumainn> sounds good to me
16:46:12 <tsufiev> +1 for meridien
16:46:39 <TravT> jazz lounge probably has a dress code as well...
16:46:44 <wchrisj> FWIW, the bar at the Hyatt mentions Sunday hours, so we should be good with that as a backup: http://www.parisetoile.regency.hyatt.com/en/hotel/dining/bar-la-vue.html
16:46:54 <tzumainn> http://www.starwoodhotels.com/lemeridien/property/dining/index.html?propertyID=1919
16:47:00 <tzumainn> dress code: casual
16:47:02 <wchrisj> ... assuming we can meet the dress code
16:47:04 <tzumainn> open from 10am - 1am
16:47:15 <tzumainn> assuming it's the right hotel
16:47:21 <amotoki> paris is cold and i am afraid we wear more than just shirts :)
16:47:48 <julim> I found a casual place: Le Carré des Ternes, 84 Avenue des Ternes, 75017 Paris, France
16:47:55 <julim> it's 4 min walk from the hyatt
16:48:09 <julim> https://www.google.com/maps/dir/Hyatt+Regency+Paris+Etoile,+3+Place+du+G%C3%A9n%C3%A9ral+K%C5%93nig,+75017+Paris,+France/Le+Carr%C3%A9+des+Ternes,+84+Avenue+des+Ternes,+75017+Paris,+France/@48.8804654,2.2848591,18z/data=!3m1!4b1!4m13!4m12!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e66f8b8149404f:0x451d76ae1e117f24!2m2!1d2.284296!2d48.880291!1m5!1m1!1s0x47e66f8da9b7b8b9:0x23b006724f787524!2m2!1d2.287729!2d48.880224
16:49:07 <jpich> I think it might more a food place?
16:49:31 <TravT> so plan is for drinks only right? people eat before arrival?
16:49:35 <jpich> Let's go with the Meridien Jazz Lounge thing at 20:30 and see what happens
16:49:54 <tzumainn> +1
16:49:57 <david-lyle> TravT: most likely, but I assume food can be found if necessary
16:50:26 <david-lyle> Ok, Meridien sounds good
16:50:46 <david-lyle> a not just cause I'm staying there, but it certainly doesn't hurt
16:51:12 <julim> +1 2030 @ Meridien Jazz Lounge
16:51:42 <Sanjay> david-lyle : I want to discuss two blue prints "Add User "Role" field to Update User Form" & "Add Generic Pagination Control"
16:51:57 <david-lyle> Now that we have the important topic closed:
16:51:57 <tsufiev> Some means for communication for people that are late would be helpful - to know where to go to for a party :)
16:52:11 <david-lyle> #topic Open Discussion
16:52:13 <tsufiev> should they use irc channel?
16:52:31 <david-lyle> IRC or etherpad?
16:52:48 <david-lyle> Sanjay: links?
16:53:06 <Sanjay> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/add-user-role-field
16:53:06 <TravT> i vote etherpad since it is persistent for those of us that don't have a persistent irc server set up.
16:53:09 <jpich> etherpad might be easier to modify on the go by the attendees if necessary
16:53:23 <david-lyle> etherpad it is
16:53:50 <Sanjay> & https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/enhance-pagination-functionality
16:55:19 <david-lyle> Sanjay what about domain scoped roles?
16:55:23 <jpich> tsufiev, TravT: Someone obligingly updated https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-kilo-summit already so we should aim to keep that one up to date
16:56:18 <david-lyle> Sanjay: for the second, that is actually a topic of discussion at the summit
16:56:26 <tsufiev> jpich, great :)!
16:56:29 <david-lyle> I failed to write a bp about it yet
16:56:42 <Sanjay> ok
16:56:50 <david-lyle> The goeal is the same, not sure about the method
16:56:51 <Sanjay> what is domain scoped role
16:56:58 <david-lyle> goal*
16:57:13 <david-lyle> potentially a domain admin role
16:57:39 <david-lyle> if I have a domain scoped token, I may want a person to be the admin of that domain.
16:57:51 <david-lyle> thus giving them an admin role in that domain
16:58:05 <Sanjay> ok
16:58:59 <david-lyle> additionally, we are moving to a more defined blueprint process leveraging this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/template
16:59:17 <Sanjay> Right now when you you go to update user form there is no role field. once we have role field ther I think we can add domain specific too..
16:59:26 <david-lyle> I need to update the Horizon launchpad page somehow to point that out
16:59:43 <david-lyle> Sanjay: maybe I read the inverse of what you were suggesting
16:59:47 <david-lyle> I'll have to reread
17:00:04 <david-lyle> But we're out of time for this meeting.
17:00:27 <Sanjay> can we plan this for next meeting
17:00:29 <david-lyle> See everyone in Paris, use the the etherpad to sync up. Looking forward to seeing everyong
17:00:36 <jpich> Thanks david-lyle, everyone
17:00:51 <david-lyle> oh yeah, no meeting next week due to summit will resume in 2 weeks
17:01:06 <david-lyle> Sanjay you can followup in openstack-horizon
17:01:10 <david-lyle> #endmeeting