12:00:51 <david-lyle_> #startmeeting Horizon
12:00:51 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Mar 23 12:00:51 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is david-lyle_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:00:54 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizon'
12:01:07 <itxaka> o/
12:01:10 <tsufiev> o/
12:01:10 <tmazur> o/
12:02:30 <robcresswell> \o
12:02:58 <david-lyle_> So we had a time mixup on meetings for the past month or so
12:03:07 <david-lyle_> This is the correct start time
12:03:15 * robcresswell hides in shame
12:04:19 <david-lyle_> This is my last meeting as PTL and will be handing the keys to robcresswell for future meetings
12:05:00 <david-lyle_> We tagged and branched RC-1 Friday
12:05:15 <david-lyle_> so master is open for Newton
12:05:42 <david-lyle_> #chair robcresswell
12:05:43 <openstack> Current chairs: david-lyle_ robcresswell
12:05:57 <david-lyle_> it's snowing here and the lights just flickered
12:06:12 <david-lyle_> if my power goes robcresswell gets and early start :)
12:06:29 <robcresswell> what a way to go
12:06:57 <david-lyle_> does anyone have any bugs they think warrant consideration for RC-2?
12:07:19 <david-lyle_> we don't have a milestone yet in launchpad
12:07:29 <tsufiev> I'd like to propose new Swift UI buttons fixup
12:07:32 <david-lyle_> so we'll have to tag such bugs
12:07:41 <robcresswell> Yeah, agreed tsufiev
12:07:42 <david-lyle_> tsufiev: link?
12:07:43 * tsufiev looking for a link
12:07:46 <robcresswell> I asked cindy to backport her fix
12:07:56 <robcresswell> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/295428/
12:08:27 <robcresswell> Its minor, but just addresses a couple of styling oddities which would be a shame to ship in our shiny new UI.
12:08:38 <robcresswell> low risk too.
12:08:40 <itxaka> Igor this one, which is tagged newton but I think it should be mitaka
12:08:40 <tsufiev> david-lyle_, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/294223/
12:08:40 <itxaka> https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1560145
12:08:42 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1560145 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) ""Copy Data" checkbox on Image create has the wrong label" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Daniel Castellanos (luis-daniel-castellanos)
12:09:17 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: 295428 is cosmetic ?
12:09:47 <tsufiev> robcresswell, ah, that's more correct link, thanks
12:09:52 <robcresswell> david-lyle_: Yeah. Is that a blocker for backports? A few things are weird, like massive cancel buttons.
12:10:04 <robcresswell> They work, though.
12:10:34 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: not a blocker, but the bar for RC-2 is pretty high
12:10:48 <david-lyle_> that one is probably benign enough to be ok
12:11:14 <robcresswell> My understanding was no string changes or high risk refactors.
12:13:08 <david-lyle_> the one itxaka linked seems like its not ready yet
12:13:42 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: probably ok
12:13:58 <robcresswell> itxaka: Its targeted for Newton because it needs to hit master first and backport.
12:14:28 <robcresswell> I could add another line for hitting mitaka stabel though
12:14:35 <robcresswell> but its tagged, so its fine.
12:15:07 <david-lyle_> yeah at this point tags are all we have
12:15:33 <david-lyle_> any other RC-2 bugs?
12:15:46 <robcresswell> Nothing else has jumped out.
12:16:45 <itxaka> robcresswell, ack!
12:18:03 <david-lyle_> moving on
12:18:28 <david-lyle_> #topic Next bug day suggestion: 5th April
12:18:33 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: o/
12:19:15 <robcresswell> I'd like to continue doing bug days roughly once per month. We still have a decent backlog of bugs that need to be triaged.
12:19:37 <robcresswell> Next date proposal is April 5th (Tuesday)
12:19:51 <david-lyle_> sounds good to me
12:20:25 <robcresswell> Cool. I'll send out an email later today. Any questions?
12:20:31 <david-lyle_> seems there is overwhelming support ;-)
12:20:45 <tsufiev> robcresswell, yeah, I have a related question/suggestion
12:20:53 <robcresswell> tsufiev: fire away
12:21:44 <tsufiev> there are a lot of bugfixes that are overlooked in favor of hotter Angular features/fixes... it would be nice if we established a regular communication regarding these fixes
12:22:35 <robcresswell> I agree. Personally I see the first step as organising and categorising our list of bugs and bps so we can see the important ones, rather than letting them sit as Undecided, when they might be very serious issues.
12:22:39 <tsufiev> for example, many Django patches are in unclear situation - I feel that many cores are simply don't think these patches are worth reviewing (too much efforts)
12:22:51 <tsufiev> we need to communicate this to patch authors
12:22:57 <tsufiev> to set their expectations
12:23:37 <robcresswell> Any ideas? I'd imagine having your bug set to Low or Wishlist might be a hint :)
12:24:45 <david-lyle_> tsufiev: can you give an example of a high or so bug that has failed to get reviews?
12:25:00 <david-lyle_> we are drowning in medium and low
12:26:02 <robcresswell> I should add its also *very* difficult to categorise all the bugs alone, so priority is overly subjective. My values will not be the same as others for example.
12:26:37 <robcresswell> I feel if we get a list sorted, we can start working down from Critical to Low, and use the bug days for fixing, not triage work.
12:26:45 <robcresswell> But thats where we are right now :)
12:27:53 <david-lyle_> sounds like a good plan to me
12:27:57 <tsufiev> david-lyle_, do not have an example of High bug right now out of my head
12:28:09 <tsufiev> I think that most of them are Medium/Low
12:28:30 <tsufiev> still... that doesn't IMO mean that they should be ignored forever :)
12:28:33 <david-lyle_> tsufiev: my only point is that the input to the review funnel is greatly over the review capacity at the other end of the funnel
12:28:42 <david-lyle_> things will be lost
12:28:59 <tsufiev> david-lyle_, completely agree
12:29:02 <robcresswell> tsufiev: If you want to, you can use something like this http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/horizon-openreviews.html
12:29:06 <david-lyle_> but I totally agree that new feature dev often gets priority over fixing real issues
12:29:30 <david-lyle_> making new issues just happens to be more fun, I guess
12:29:41 <robcresswell> That shows the reviews that have been sitting for a long time without negative review.
12:31:07 <david-lyle_> we can try to more tightly control new feature dev, but people will still work on their pets and in the end we have no real control over what anyone works on other than ourselves
12:31:39 <david-lyle_> unless you want to get more active in core cycling for looking at the wrong things
12:33:12 <david-lyle_> moving on
12:33:17 <david-lyle_> #topic Broadcasting summit working sessions?
12:33:21 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: o/
12:33:47 <tsufiev> broadcasting = recording?
12:33:53 <robcresswell> I've mentioned this before, but wanted to revisit, since some orgs seem to be scaling back on summit attendance
12:34:11 <david-lyle_> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-newton-summit
12:34:33 <robcresswell> I'd quite like to try doing something like a hangouts on air with summit sessions, so that people can listen to discussions
12:34:40 <robcresswell> and potentially feed back via IRC or similar.
12:34:58 <david-lyle_> there is chat in the etherpads
12:35:08 <robcresswell> Some people have mentioned feeling uncomfortable with this though
12:35:09 <robcresswell> That too
12:35:14 <tsufiev> +1, would be great to attend summit at least remotely )
12:35:37 <robcresswell> Issues also around the technical side (not being able to hear clearly)
12:35:38 <david-lyle_> I've voiced my concerns before
12:36:04 <david-lyle_> roundtable meetings are terrible for remote participants
12:36:47 <robcresswell> The other alternative is to make sure we're documenting discussion better
12:37:00 <robcresswell> But I do have some concerns around members of the community missing out
12:37:25 <robcresswell> Maybe it would be better if people spent more on dev travel and less on booth swag... *grumbles*
12:37:31 <david-lyle_> you either need actual room mics, or everyone will have to have hangouts open
12:38:08 <robcresswell> Do telepresence style mics not work for this kind of discussion?
12:38:35 <david-lyle_> sure, but the rooms aren't equipped with those
12:38:43 <david-lyle_> the work rooms have 0 mics
12:38:54 <david-lyle_> directional or non-directional
12:39:20 <robcresswell> Right, but not having a mic is a a pretty solvable issue.
12:39:31 <david-lyle_> a mic is insufficient
12:40:16 <david-lyle_> anyway, if someone wants to try, more power to them
12:40:28 <robcresswell> Okay, so we'll need something more elaborate, and thus impractical. Hmm. I'll investigate more.
12:40:37 <david-lyle_> just realize on the receiving end frustration is likely
12:40:53 <robcresswell> If hardware was solved, would anyone have other issues?
12:40:55 <david-lyle_> which is my main concern
12:41:16 <david-lyle_> you go to all this effort and it's still not consumable
12:41:35 * david-lyle_ lets it go
12:42:19 <david-lyle_> #topic open discussion
12:42:21 <robcresswell> I'm taking the silence as no other issues :)
12:42:33 <itxaka> +1 from me, seems nice for those that can't attend like me
12:42:48 <robcresswell> itxaka: \o/
12:43:01 <robcresswell> I wanted to discuss this meeting time slow (1200UTC)
12:43:05 <robcresswell> time slot*
12:43:37 <robcresswell> It seems like it doesnt really benefit anyone. Its too early for those in NA, and too last for those in East Asia/ Australia
12:43:54 <robcresswell> We could likely shift it to 8/9 UTC, could we not?
12:44:03 <tsufiev> ... Europe is happy though :)
12:44:27 <tsufiev> 9 UTC is also fine
12:44:29 <robcresswell> ha, but we could do 8/9 with no issues really. Everyone but me is UTC +1 or +2
12:44:45 <david-lyle_> gets rid of pesky NA
12:45:13 <tsufiev> david-lyle_, so you could sleep well during that time ;)
12:45:15 <robcresswell> You're the only person who regularly attends from NA I think. Sometimes doug-fish too.
12:45:37 <itxaka> sounds good from belgium time, better times for lunch are always welcome :D
12:46:06 <david-lyle_> my only concern is you have 7 active cores in NA
12:46:15 <tsufiev> itxaka, I thought you're in Spain :o?
12:46:32 <david-lyle_> you have 4 outside
12:46:42 <itxaka> tsufiev, born in spain, living in belgium, heart in the world :)
12:47:00 <robcresswell> This is true, but I'm concerned that we're missing out on contributors. There are regularly questions on IRC being posted into the void during east asia work hours.
12:47:15 <tsufiev> itxaka, got it, I learn something new every day here :)
12:47:29 <david-lyle_> depends on your intent for the meeting, but sure
12:47:34 <david-lyle_> up to you
12:47:43 <robcresswell> david-lyle_: And as I said, nobody comes to the 1200 UTC meeting anyway from NA, so we'd only miss out on yourself. The 2000UTC meeting would still stand.
12:47:55 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: true
12:48:07 <david-lyle_> I never said I did anything right ;-)
12:48:36 <robcresswell> haha
12:48:41 <robcresswell> I'll send out an email
12:48:46 <robcresswell> *TODO list growing*
12:49:05 * david-lyle_ 's list is shrinking
12:49:44 <robcresswell> Last item I had: I'd like to bring back the Drivers meeting. Early Newton is the best time for blueprint discussion.
12:49:45 <wangbo> It's better update it in  http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/
12:50:20 <robcresswell> wangbo: Yes, but the email is for others to chime in. I'm not dictating a meeting time until everyone has had a fair chance to discuss it.
12:50:38 <robcresswell> After that I'll update infra, naturally :)
12:50:52 <wangbo> sure
12:51:54 <david-lyle_> any other topics?
12:53:34 <robcresswell> I'll run Drivers from next week btw, unless you want to run it tonight david-lyle_ :)
12:53:58 <david-lyle_> robcresswell: all yours
12:54:15 <robcresswell> Sure
12:54:27 <david-lyle_> I just want to say congratulations to robcresswell on being the Horizon PTL for Newton. The community and I personally thank you.
12:54:46 <david-lyle_> let all of us know what we can do to help
12:54:55 <robcresswell> Heh. We should be thanking you for being an excellent PTL for the past 2.5 years.
12:55:39 <david-lyle_> alright let's call it
12:55:44 <david-lyle_> #endmeeting