20:01:04 #startmeeting horizon 20:01:05 Meeting started Wed Oct 5 20:01:04 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is r1chardj0n3s. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:08 The meeting name has been set to 'horizon' 20:01:17 o/ 20:01:19 Hello all 20:01:20 o/ 20:02:09 stop shoving 20:02:14 Well, I'd like to thank Dave and Timur for coming :-) 20:02:34 #topic Notices 20:02:37 hi 20:02:48 hello 20:02:55 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/horizon-ocata-summit now has a schedule 20:03:00 :))) 20:03:40 I've grouped things into sessions that seem to make sense. Feedback is welcome, of course. And ordering can change, though I'd like to keep it stable within reasonable time before the summit. 20:04:13 Hmm, I should note the times of each of the sessions on that pad too. 20:05:04 #action r1chardj0n3s to add time, location and session-specific etherpad links to the summit overview etherpad page 20:05:13 (let's see if I got that right ;-) 20:06:27 ok... next thing I have is Project Teams Gathering 20:06:29 #link http://www.openstack.org/ptg is intended to replace mid-cycles - are we going to participate? 20:06:59 I need to know whether Horizon folks are happy to do that thing rather than have an independent mid-cycle 20:07:24 I think we should try it 20:07:41 seems like a proper thing to do 20:08:24 can we skip the summits then? 20:08:36 rdopiera, for most, that's the idea 20:08:40 * tsufiev thinking is if Atlanta a 'cost-effective transportation hub' 20:09:31 rdopiera, this summit is still design related, but starting with Boston, it will not have the design component 20:10:11 david-lyle: I know that's the plan, but I'm a bit afraid that we will start going to both 20:10:18 so devs should go if they want to talk to users/customers/other devs who have come to talk to users/customers 20:10:29 rdopiera, we already go to both 20:10:35 I concur with y'all - let's see how the PTG goes. I'll feed that back to the Foundation. 20:10:54 david-lyle: I thought ptg is a new thing 20:11:23 but this is an attempt to reduce the need for most to go to both 20:12:05 makes sense 20:12:15 Yeah, it'll be interesting to see how it goes. 20:13:12 They're reducing our face-to-face time for planning and discussion to once per cycle. We'll have to come up with alternative methods of planning to fill that void, and I'm not sure what that'll look like. 20:14:11 OK, so the only other thing I have is to mention that RC3 is out and we’re looking to get 10.0.0 released this week from it. 20:14:12 r1chardj0n3s, how is that different from what was before? IIRC, midcycle meetups were not organized by foundation... 20:14:40 10.0.1 right? 20:15:15 david-lyle: no, 10.0.0 unless I'm horribly confused... 10.0.0 hasn't been released 20:15:36 the patch for newton final is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/380478/ 20:15:40 tsufiev, the midcycle weren't official, but a large number projects were using them 20:16:07 tsufiev: yes, we'll have to see how many projects end up having a "planning" meetup independently 20:16:18 r1chardj0n3s, I'm jumping the gun 20:16:18 david-lyle, I mean, the foundation isn't going to forbid us to hold midcycles, are they :)? 20:16:40 tsufiev: More that nobody will get approval to travel 6 times a year :) 20:16:51 (also hi, sorry for lateness) 20:16:51 tsufiev, no, there are a few reasons for the reorg 20:17:21 allowing key devs to actually use the summit to interface with people other than devs 20:17:32 reduce the overall travel burden on most devs 20:17:51 We can also use the forum for mid-cycle style meetups. Thats even in the Forum description. 20:17:52 better align releases and downstream consumers around summits 20:17:54 the mid-cycle timing we used to have lines up with when the summit will run, so that's going to be difficult for some to manage 20:18:01 As key people will all be there anyway. 20:19:01 Just read scrollback, I'm a +1 for PTG too. 20:19:08 thanks robcresswell 20:19:55 well, the future is going to come despite all our concerns, I think... 20:20:26 tsufiev, what are the concerns? 20:20:26 I look forward to mid-cycling with y'all in Boston :-) 20:21:08 david-lyle, that there might be not enough time for our interaction - as r1chardj0n3s mentioned 20:22:01 we've still not been told the exact format of the summit-located mid-cycles (I recall some folks indicating that they would be held "away" from the summit to reduce cost) 20:22:14 Yeah, we can chat at the summit anyway. Its not banned, just wont be dedicated rooms for it. But the cores/ptls will hopefully be around, which is what the midcycles most consist of anyway. 20:22:16 we'll just have to see 20:22:24 I think PTG will the primary meeting for devs 20:22:32 david-lyle: yup 20:24:10 so the last thing I wanted to talk about was the low attendance at these meetings 20:24:25 o/ 20:24:47 I have to admit that I often forget about them :( 20:24:48 ediardo, that was a proper timing ;) ^^ 20:24:53 I'm going to send out a reminder email to the dev list 20:24:58 #action r1chardj0n3s to email openstack-dev reminding folks about the weekly IRC meeting 20:25:15 we'll see if that has any impact 20:26:09 r1chardj0n3s: You could try a courtesy reminder type thing like searchlight and others do 20:26:09 rdopiera ;) 20:26:22 I think the timing of the meeting will mean that the large number of contributors we have in China won't be making it along (it's very much in the AM there) 20:26:40 r1chardj0n3s, maybe the main reason is that people don't know what to expect from these meetings? I mean, if before people were coming to a meeting to push their feature, now they generally don't do it (maybe that just didn't work for them and they stopped trying) 20:26:44 I wonder if we could make the bot announce the meeting on the #openstack-horizon channel 20:26:51 when it's starting 20:26:59 * david-lyle recalls an APAC friendly time that was even less attended 20:26:59 Something like this, to remind people: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/search-team-meeting-agenda( about line 6) 20:27:00 robcresswell: I'm not familiar with the searchlight timing thing? 20:27:15 ugh, misplaced '(' might break that link 20:27:18 tsufiev: that's a good point 20:27:31 r1chardj0n3s, same as TC meeting start 20:27:49 just a list of nics copied into room 20:27:52 david-lyle: yep, the APAC meeting time was a dud indeed 20:27:56 Let's do an iOS app that reminds us wehave a meeting to attend 20:28:02 searchlight does in their team room too 20:28:04 connected to keystone 20:28:10 o_O 20:28:11 tsufiev: Right, the old blueprint system and asking for approval in meetings seems to have died 20:28:26 k jk 20:28:33 one sec just moving, internet might fall over 20:29:01 TIL robcresswell routes the entire internet 20:29:11 robcresswell: ok, I'll see about finding out how that meeting reminder thing works 20:29:16 lol 20:30:03 then, dropping the integrated/incubated statuses (and a requirement to have a Horizon dashboard in a Horizon repo to be an integrated project) has certainly contributed to the downfall of interest to Horizon meetings 20:30:09 * tsufiev thinks about Sahara 20:30:20 (though to be honest, I have a calendar on my desktop and the meeting is in it and I get reminders, it's not difficult...) 20:30:42 tsufiev, I think there larger influences on that decreased interest 20:31:31 david-lyle: Looks like the internet survived without me 20:32:02 http://www.thewebsiteofdoom.com/new/wp-content/uploads/2012/12/internet.jpg 20:32:43 david-lyle, like the containers thing :)? 20:33:40 tsufiev, I'm happy to have a larger discussion, but not sure out meeting time is the best place to cover openstack macrotrends 20:34:19 sure, not going to continue with off-topic discussion right now 20:34:42 I guess the point is, smaller meetings may become the norm 20:34:54 We generally just use the meeting for announcements now 20:35:07 Previously it was for bug/bp discussion 20:35:45 I think if we used bp approval then it might get more attention, but thats somewhat ignored now. People just throw up features and ping for reviews :) 20:36:32 the volume into the funnel has fallen 20:36:50 we've solved it 20:37:53 we're also in the end-of-cycle dead spot at the moment where we're kind of on pause getting the release out and before the summit when priorities are agreed to 20:38:10 so these few weeks are a bit weird anyway 20:38:34 Yeah its normally quiet while people prep Ocata features and demos 20:39:11 so they can surprise us with theirthrowing up features and pinging for reviews, yes :-) 20:39:22 * tsufiev grabs the microphone and promotes the Profiler commits :D 20:39:53 tsufiev: yes! um, I had questions about that, which I forgot (because vacation) 20:40:12 tsufiev: I'm a little hazy on the actual setup of the profiler - do I need to be running a MongoDB or something somewhere to make it work? 20:40:30 unfortunately, yes 20:40:48 otherwise you'll have to face the Ceilometer poor performance 20:41:26 it might be helpful to have some (hopefully simple) setup instructions for devs to follow to get that right 20:41:32 osprofiler team might fix the ceilometer drivers in some distant future... but I won't bet a large sum on that 20:41:52 We need to axe that panel 20:41:56 Should've done it last cycle 20:42:03 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/horizon+branch:master+topic:bp/openstack-profiler-at-developer-dashboard 20:42:19 (the ceilometer panel I mean) 20:42:19 instructions are in the second patch, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/303514/ 20:42:34 r1chardj0n3s, ^^ 20:43:10 OK, so the issue then becomes how to test the first patch 20:43:11 we even made some preparations for profiling API calls made from Angular pages 20:44:19 r1chardj0n3s, I may merge them if that makes things easier 20:44:31 1st + 2nd 20:45:20 always a tradeoff between the ease of reviewing vs. providing a fully demoable feature 20:46:08 * tsufiev puts back the microphone 20:46:32 absolutely, but I think it makes sense to be able to exercise the code before merging it, and we can't sensibly exercise the code in the 1st patch I think 20:46:55 yep, that's true 20:47:02 On the summit etherpad, are we starting with priorities? 20:47:37 robcresswell: that's the ordering at the moment, but it doesn't really make sense so that session will probably be the fourth. 20:47:50 Well, the priorities bit 20:47:54 cool 20:48:10 Wait who +1'd rotten fruit 20:48:23 ;) 20:48:31 I should've known... 20:48:38 you should have 20:48:51 ok, I think this meeting may have run its course. thanks all for coming! 20:49:06 oh 20:49:10 o/ 20:49:13 #endmeeting