12:00:34 <david-lyle> #startmeeting HorizonDrivers
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12:00:38 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'horizondrivers'
12:00:42 <david-lyle> anyone around?
12:00:43 <robcresswell> o/
12:01:25 <robcresswell> Well. Bet you're glad you got up for this one.
12:02:40 <david-lyle> wondering about the long term benefit of this time
12:02:51 <david-lyle> for a meeting
12:03:19 <david-lyle> the attendance is generally sparse and the usual suspects typically show for the 2000 UTC
12:03:24 <david-lyle> :/
12:03:42 <masco> o/
12:04:05 <david-lyle> I looked at the bug list yesterday, > 1000
12:04:05 <robcresswell> Yeah, we can just do it every other week at 200UTC I guess
12:04:14 <robcresswell> :(
12:04:53 <robcresswell> I just don't have the time to get to get on top of it right now
12:05:06 <mrunge> o/
12:05:08 <david-lyle> me either, looked at many yesterday
12:05:24 <david-lyle> some are very old, and I'm not sure still valid
12:05:36 <david-lyle> but checking them all is very time consuming
12:05:56 <robcresswell> Agreed
12:06:07 <masco> may be interested people dived with us and validate
12:06:24 <masco> and we can discuss during the meeting
12:06:50 <robcresswell> How would you like to scope cleanup of bugs? I'm inclined to be more aggressive about it, like I was with the bps.
12:07:13 <david-lyle> we could organize a bug day too for horizon
12:07:33 <david-lyle> just have people focus on triaging and classifying bugs
12:07:42 <david-lyle> and cross talk on questions
12:07:42 <mrunge> that'd be helpful
12:07:48 <doug-fish> I thought we already tried the bug day thing
12:07:56 <doug-fish> wasn't Wednesday supposed to be bug day?
12:08:06 <david-lyle> doug-fish: ?
12:08:26 <mrunge> who can set the status of a bug?
12:08:31 <masco> but we are not following the bug day, i guess
12:08:38 <robcresswell> It was brought up a few weeks back
12:08:38 <david-lyle> mrunge: anyone on the horizon-bugs team
12:08:43 <mrunge> I mean, who can remove assignees?
12:09:01 <robcresswell> mrunge: I think anyone can assign themselves, unsure about just removing
12:09:13 <david-lyle> see my above answer
12:09:19 <mrunge> got you
12:09:25 <mrunge> thanks
12:09:34 <david-lyle> horizon-bugs is core + a few
12:09:55 <david-lyle> although most of the few are now core I think :-)
12:10:08 <robcresswell> :D
12:10:27 <david-lyle> I didn't follow through with scheduling a bug day yet, if we agreed to that in the past
12:10:39 <mrunge> I can't remember that
12:10:42 <robcresswell> I definitely recall a discussion
12:10:43 <david-lyle> which I don't remember
12:10:49 <robcresswell> May be going mad...
12:10:55 <doug-fish> Maybe it didn't happen. Maybe I'm having visions of the future?
12:11:03 <david-lyle> well I'm forgetful at 5 am too
12:11:17 <betherly> doug-fish: time travel
12:11:19 <mrunge> that hurts, david-lyle
12:11:32 <betherly> btw, hi all! :D
12:11:32 <doug-fish> betherly: could be. What year is it?
12:11:36 <betherly> 2080
12:11:38 <mrunge> when do you have dst switch?
12:11:47 <doug-fish> :-)
12:12:24 <doug-fish> mrunge: daylight savings change was about 2 weeks ago
12:12:33 <david-lyle> while we were in tokyo went to off DST, not back on until spring
12:13:01 <betherly> dst is annoying
12:13:08 <mrunge> doug-fish, aha, same for us. I assumed, those times would become saner for you. apparently it did not
12:13:15 <mrunge> they did not, I meant
12:13:55 <mrunge> I like the idea of cleaning bugs
12:14:23 <mrunge> that could even mean, scrub bugs not touched for > 1 year
12:14:37 <robcresswell> First though; do we want to keep this meeting slot?
12:14:53 <mrunge> I'm +1 for moving to 20 UTC
12:15:11 <doug-fish> 20 UTC is better for me
12:15:11 <robcresswell> Of the cores its only myself and matthias that this is easier for and usually attend I think
12:15:25 <mrunge> but that will exclude amotoki
12:15:38 <robcresswell> And I'll nearly always attend the respective 2000UTC anyway
12:15:40 <robcresswell> Ah, true
12:15:54 <mrunge> but yes robcresswell you're right
12:16:14 <mrunge> masco, does a meeting at 20 UTC work for you?
12:16:19 <mrunge> that is in about 8 hours?
12:16:24 <masco> no way
12:16:26 <robcresswell> haha
12:16:32 <masco> it is 1 am in india
12:16:34 <robcresswell> There is still the usual Horizon meeting
12:16:45 <robcresswell> This is just the drivers meeting we're talking about changing.
12:17:07 <mrunge> david-lyle, robcresswell the other idea would be to switch session chairs
12:17:23 <robcresswell> That also works
12:17:27 <mrunge> since usual suspects like robcresswell and me will attend the other meeting anyways
12:17:38 <robcresswell> Although, then it would just be me and mrunge, I expect :p
12:18:16 <mrunge> and masco, amotoki and a few others, who could not attend at 20 UTC
12:18:35 <robcresswell> Sure
12:18:38 * mrunge looking at timur
12:18:51 <robcresswell> Ah yes, he's on PTO I believe
12:19:15 <robcresswell> david-lyle: How does that sound? Me or mrunge could just chair so you don't have to be dragged out of bed at 5am.
12:19:56 <robcresswell> The counter point tbh though, is that there isnt much value in a bp discussion with 4/5 people, vs 10 - 20.
12:19:58 <david-lyle> robcresswell: I don't mind being here at 5am, my concern was more around having a quorum
12:20:08 <mrunge> and we could use this time for example to clean up bugs
12:20:13 <mrunge> right
12:20:34 <david-lyle> but triaging bugs is a worthy goal as well
12:20:36 <robcresswell> Alternate bug/bp cleanup?
12:20:48 <robcresswell> That sounds sensible
12:20:54 <mrunge> sounds good to me
12:20:57 <masco> +1 for alternate
12:21:35 <david-lyle> so do we want to do bps or bugs today?
12:22:11 <mrunge> I would like to talk about the bp we left undecided last time
12:22:19 <mrunge> (the local-settings.d one)
12:22:28 <mrunge> but it was quite controversial
12:22:49 <mrunge> it might be fairer to move that to the weekly meeting at 20 UTC?
12:22:50 <robcresswell> I just commented a small while ago
12:23:19 <mrunge> I just saw that
12:23:19 <david-lyle> mrunge: agree that might be better for 2000
12:24:05 <robcresswell> Shall we run through a few bugs then?
12:24:13 <mrunge> yes please
12:24:17 <masco> +1
12:24:49 <david-lyle> sure
12:24:54 <mrunge> unfortunately I have to drop off, kid#1 just arrived, demanding lunch
12:25:10 <robcresswell> dammit kid#¡
12:25:14 <david-lyle> mention bugs and people run ;-)
12:25:20 <robcresswell> ha
12:25:22 <mrunge> hahaha
12:25:26 <david-lyle> mrunge: no worries
12:25:42 <mrunge> at least, I didn't try to assign people to bugs
12:25:54 <robcresswell> We might assign some to you while you're gone
12:26:30 <david-lyle> so I started looking at bugs again yesterday
12:26:42 <david-lyle> only about the first 400 even have a priority
12:27:03 <david-lyle> the next 602 are still undecided
12:28:34 <david-lyle> but that's not to say all that have a priority set are still valid either
12:29:19 <masco> fix got merged but still in inprogress https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1461047
12:29:19 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1461047 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "description column is missing in firewall tables" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Masco (masco)
12:29:22 <robcresswell> I think it might help to define at what point we can just cut a bug and wait for it to be revived if its still an issue
12:30:30 <david-lyle> masco: fixed
12:30:31 <david-lyle> thanks
12:30:42 <masco> no problem
12:31:00 <david-lyle> robcresswell: bugs are harder to cut IMO
12:31:21 <david-lyle> they really only get cut if they are invalid
12:31:39 <david-lyle> just because no one has worked on it in 2 years, it can still be a bug
12:31:41 <masco> i think that should be fix released i guess
12:32:00 <doug-fish> masco: it is again - that was my mistake
12:32:12 <david-lyle> while for feature addition, it's just an idea and we can just remove
12:32:57 <masco> doug-fish, no problem
12:33:12 <david-lyle> I would say that most bugs around for 2 years that are valid are either low priority, or blocked
12:33:30 <robcresswell> Sure. I'm just wondering if there's much value in having 800 low bugs that nobody has either the time or money to be inclined to solve.
12:34:06 <robcresswell> We can definitely work on prioritising those 600 that are just unreviewed though
12:34:14 <masco> https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1461018 same issue
12:34:14 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1461018 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "description column is missing in vpn tables" [Undecided,In progress] - Assigned to Masco (masco)
12:35:27 <robcresswell> masco: Done
12:35:37 <masco> thanks rob
12:38:56 <doug-fish> what about https://bugs.launchpad.net/horizon/+bug/1282089 ? that's been open for a long time and is "high" priority
12:38:56 <openstack> Launchpad bug 1282089 in OpenStack Dashboard (Horizon) "keystone client is leaving hanging connections to the server" [High,Confirmed]
12:40:10 <david-lyle> doug-fish: not entirely sure on that one.
12:40:36 <doug-fish> I'll spend a few mins with it and see if it is still recreatable
12:40:48 <david-lyle> thanks!
12:41:04 <david-lyle> yeah a lot of these take a fair amount of effort to reproduce
12:41:41 <robcresswell> Speak to neillc, it looks like he looked over it recently
12:42:05 <doug-fish> robcresswell: sure, sounds good!
12:43:40 <robcresswell> I'm not sure group discussion of bugs is that helpful? We just need to spend time on it, probably instead of meetings.
12:44:30 <masco> yes rob, if anything needs to discuss then we can talk in meetings.
12:44:58 <david-lyle> robcresswell: true
12:45:10 <david-lyle> I think a bug day is more effective
12:45:23 <david-lyle> everyone dives into some and cross-talks as necessary
12:45:30 <robcresswell> Yup
12:45:40 <doug-fish> works for me
12:45:52 <doug-fish> Some tips for what to do on bug day: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/BugTriage
12:46:59 <masco> i saw some bugs with abandoned patch, what action need to taken on that?
12:47:33 <david-lyle> masco: probably best course on those is to remove the owner
12:47:54 <doug-fish> masco: maybe reset from in-progress to new as well
12:48:00 <david-lyle> if the patch is abandoned and not quickly revived, I don't think they are actively working on it
12:48:09 <masco> looks good
12:48:28 <david-lyle> robcresswell: what linting tool are you proposing for SCSS linting?
12:48:35 <masco> i don't have permission to do that.
12:48:42 <david-lyle> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/scss-lint
12:48:54 * david-lyle went back to bps :P
12:48:55 <masco> if i find anything i will ask some of you guys
12:49:04 <robcresswell> david-lyle: Oh, you can scrap that
12:49:19 <robcresswell> I was chatting with diana the other day and considering adding something
12:49:31 <robcresswell> after about 10 minutes I noped outta there
12:49:41 <david-lyle> gone
12:49:53 <david-lyle> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/scss-lint marked obsolete
12:51:14 <robcresswell> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-theme-preview << This one, possibly?
12:51:15 <david-lyle> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/integrate-magic-search approved per summit discussions
12:52:44 <david-lyle> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bootstrap-theme-preview approved
12:52:49 <david-lyle> I did mark it low
12:53:31 <robcresswell> too much markup..?
12:54:20 <david-lyle> exactly
12:58:14 <robcresswell> When did we want to hold this bug day?
12:58:25 <robcresswell> I'm sure previously we said thursday, but I cant find it in the logs
12:58:42 <robcresswell> Which worries me, because now I think I may have dreamed of Horizon having a bug day.
12:58:51 <doug-fish> no! it happened!
12:59:02 <masco> we planed
12:59:14 <masco> but not executed
12:59:35 <david-lyle> I must have missed an action assigned to me
12:59:56 <doug-fish> hmm, maybe this explains the low participation
12:59:57 <robcresswell> So... Thursday bug day?
13:00:19 <masco> no issue for me
13:00:23 <david-lyle> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/address-scopes marked drafting
13:01:07 <doug-fish> maybe make it clear its "Bug Triage day", not a day to find more bugs!
13:01:22 <masco> i think it is about adding a new panel for address scope
13:02:44 <david-lyle> #info https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/bp-cisco-fwaas-horizon marked obsolete
13:03:14 <david-lyle> time's over, but...
13:03:47 <david-lyle> I think if we continue to hold this meeting, it needs to stay on bps and leave bug triage for bug days
13:04:35 <david-lyle> I'm going to sidestep the action this time
13:04:50 <robcresswell> I honestly don't think we really need it. We still have the usual horizon meeting anyway. This was just for bps, and all the attending cores are happy to do 2000UTC...
13:04:51 <david-lyle> does someone want to post an email to the dev mailing list re: bug day?
13:05:10 <robcresswell> Sure. Are we intending it to be weekly?
13:05:16 <david-lyle> robcresswell: oh no
13:05:21 <robcresswell> haha
13:05:28 <david-lyle> I would like to hold one and see how it goes
13:05:40 <robcresswell> Shall we say a week on Thursday then?
13:05:50 <david-lyle> if we get decent numbers we can make significant progress
13:05:56 <david-lyle> robcresswell: sure
13:06:01 <doug-fish> Thanksgiving
13:06:08 <david-lyle> err no then
13:06:12 <robcresswell> >.<
13:06:26 <robcresswell> Lets discuss later when its not 5am.
13:06:34 <david-lyle> ok :)
13:06:37 <masco> :)
13:06:39 <robcresswell> And then I'll send out an email :)
13:06:48 <david-lyle> thanks
13:07:15 <david-lyle> Thanks everyone!
13:07:19 <masco> thanks
13:07:21 <david-lyle> #endmeeting