14:32:20 <ttx> #startmeeting incub_sync
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14:32:23 <Kiall> Now.. The Q is, where do we put the time.sleep(1) ..
14:32:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'incub_sync'
14:32:25 <ttx> #topic Designate
14:32:27 <Kiall> oops - wrong room
14:32:28 <Kiall> ;)
14:32:52 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc1
14:33:09 <ttx> Still have one blueprint open -- how is zone-migration-between-tenants doing?
14:33:46 <Kiall> Good/Bad - Graham hasn't completed the rebase. If we can't have that in by mid-week next week, I'm going to push it to kilo.
14:34:13 <Kiall> The good is re - it's just in need of a rebase, but everyone has been busy with other tasks!
14:34:57 <Kiall> You suggested last week we might cut a rc1 once they merge, a number of new bugs have been found and are in progress - they're severe enough to warrant holding out.
14:34:57 <ttx> your call. If you were integrated, that would be too late, and too much of a distraction from bugfixing
14:35:13 <Kiall> ttx: for integrated - what's the hard deadline?
14:35:42 <ttx> end of this week for the last tragglers. We deferred most of the others earlier this week
14:35:47 <ttx> stragglers*
14:36:07 <ttx> as for RC1, the idea is to cut something you think will be your final release, not just another milestone
14:36:19 <ttx> so if you have a set of targeted bugs, better wait for them to be fixed
14:36:34 <Kiall> Okay - I think we can stick to that (well, closer to that!) .. If it's not merged Monday, we'll push it. I'd like to get it in :)
14:36:35 <ttx> rathet than cut a RC1 and open a RC2 window hours after
14:36:47 <Kiall> ttx: agreed
14:37:05 <ttx> Kiall: there is less risk involved with incubated projects, so feel free to push the deadline farther away
14:37:34 <ttx> basically, if you don't have a viable RC1 by October 16, you wouldn't make my life miserable. Only yours :)
14:38:05 <Kiall> Hah - Yea, that won't happen - I won't allow it ;)
14:38:21 <ttx> Is the bug list on the https://launchpad.net/designate/+milestone/juno-rc1 representative of all your release blockers ?
14:38:41 <ttx> i.e. those 4 bugs left are the only ones you really need to fix before release ?
14:38:51 <Kiall> Yes, although I haven't triaged 1370621 Bing9 PTR Zone error : multiple RRs of singleton type yet
14:39:55 <ttx> ok, you seem to have a good handle on things. Questions ?
14:40:22 <Kiall> Nothing new this week :)
14:42:05 <Kiall> (I'll have plenty once we open kilo, but they can all wait!)
15:32:27 <ttx> Kiall: sorry, got caught up in something. Thanks!
15:32:38 <Kiall> ttx: no problem :)
15:48:41 <ttx> jraim: o/
15:48:45 <ttx> #topic Barbican
15:48:47 <jraim> ttx: here
15:48:56 <jraim> redrobot: you there?
15:48:59 <redrobot> o/
15:49:08 <ttx> I see two bluepritns still open
15:49:15 <ttx> add-ssl-ca-support
15:49:19 <ttx> api-orders-add-more-types
15:49:35 <redrobot> api-orders-add-more-types is just waiting on one more CR
15:49:39 <jraim> Correct. We landed one and the api-orders one is in final review
15:49:41 <ttx> it would be good to complete or defer them at this point, to turn focus to bugfixing
15:49:44 <redrobot> I think we should be landing it in the next couple of days
15:49:55 <ttx> ok
15:50:01 <redrobot> add-ssl-ca-support probably needs to slip to Kilo
15:50:12 <redrobot> I have low confidence we can complete it by RC1
15:50:43 <ttx> your call really, since you bear the consequences of failing to meet the release date
15:50:58 <ttx> RC1 is not really a date on the calendar
15:51:14 <jraim> We're okay with slipping it if we have too...it seems like it won't make it at this point
15:51:19 <ttx> the idea is that when you have something you think would make a good release, we cut a branch and pusg a rc1 tag
15:51:49 <ttx> ideally it all happens befor ethe final release date so that you can release at the same time
15:52:04 <ttx> (at release date we just take the latest release candidate and promote it
15:52:06 <ttx> )
15:52:30 <jraim> makes sense
15:52:40 <ttx> in my experience, it's good to get rid of all feature work before the end of this week -- so that you can turn undivided attention to bugfixing
15:52:55 <jraim> So we'll land the one that's almost done, but it looks like we'll push the SSL one to K
15:53:07 <ttx> sound slike a good call
15:53:32 <jraim> We did want to ask about design sessions
15:53:43 <jraim> Did we come to a resolution on how those are getting planned?
15:53:54 <ttx> yeah
15:54:13 <ttx> so you'll have a number of sessions on the Tuesday, something like half a day
15:54:24 <ttx> that's sessions that appear on the schedule
15:54:41 <ttx> you'll also have a designated pod (table) to continue the discussions throughout the rest of the week
15:55:09 <jraim> Okay, so we need to plan the tues sessions, but the rest is ad hoc
15:55:14 <ttx> right
15:55:44 <ttx> so it's good to use the scheduled sessions for stuff you want to communicate out of the project, things you want operator feedback on, etc
15:55:57 <ttx> and keep project-internal discussion at the pod
15:56:04 <jraim> Right. That sounds good. We have an etherpad we've been using to get those rolling
15:56:19 <jraim> Last question I think - when are we doing PTL nominations for Kilo?
15:56:33 <ttx> jraim: you might want to reference your etherpad at https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Summit/Planning
15:56:39 <ttx> starting tomorrow
15:56:40 <jraim> Will do
15:56:48 <ttx> (PTL nominatins start tomorrow)
15:56:55 <jraim> Perfect
15:57:06 <ttx> jraim: any other question?
15:57:11 <jraim> nope, we're good
15:57:18 <ttx> ok, talk to you next week then
15:57:58 <ttx> flaper87: around?
15:58:03 <flaper87> ttx: yes, sir
15:58:12 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/zaqar/+milestone/juno-rc1 looks good
15:58:18 <ttx> no FFE in progress
15:58:29 <flaper87> yup, as for the 2 bugs. 1 fix is in the gate and the other one coming soon
15:58:42 <ttx> feel free to target more bugs to rc1, as we will tag (and open kilo) once the list is empty
15:59:15 <flaper87> roger, I'm planing to go through the list of bugs tomorrow and see if there's anything that makes sense fixing in rc1
16:00:11 <ttx> FWIW I scheduled the next session with the TC the week after next -- I figured we could use a one-week break
16:00:17 <ttx> and start a few constructive ML threads
16:00:56 <flaper87> right
16:01:02 <ttx> the urgency of the decision being part of the problem we had, I think
16:01:09 <flaper87> I sent one yday but I havne't seen any reply besides eglynn's
16:01:16 <ttx> flaper87: any question on the RC1 / release ?
16:01:20 <flaper87> ttx: nope
16:01:26 <ttx> flaper87: I'm a bit late on -dev, been traveling lately
16:01:40 <flaper87> no worries, I just hope it to help with the discussion
16:01:51 <ttx> ok great, talk to you later
16:01:56 <ttx> devananda: you around ?
16:04:59 <devananda> ttx: o/
16:05:11 <ttx> #topic Ironic
16:05:22 <ttx> devananda: so as far as Juno is concerned, you're still incubated
16:05:28 <devananda> ttx: yep
16:05:32 <ttx> https://launchpad.net/ironic/+milestone/juno-rc1
16:05:38 <ttx> All FFEs done
16:05:45 <ttx> and a small list of RC bugs
16:06:03 <ttx> Feels like you could hit a RC1 sooner rather than later
16:06:10 <ttx> or do you need to add more to the list ?
16:06:35 <devananda> we were going to collectively assess the bug sitaution today and see what, if anything, is really a blocker
16:07:02 <devananda> we're using targeting as a way to track what we want in right now, not necessarily release blockers
16:07:49 <devananda> and as I do not see any open Critical bugs, I would agree that we probably could tag now
16:08:03 <devananda> but if it's not an impediment, I'd rather tag next week to give a little time to close some of the High bugs
16:08:27 <devananda> also, i'm goign to tag our final client release today
16:08:32 <ttx> devananda: ok, at this point you can add a lot, and starting next week, we'll start to cut down if necessary
16:08:49 <ttx> the "good enough" approach to release management
16:08:57 <devananda> sounds good
16:09:06 <ttx> devananda: ok, just let me know if you have any question
16:09:14 <ttx> otherwise we'll close shop
16:09:36 <devananda> when can we start votign on nova :)
16:09:49 <devananda> though that's probably a question for the qa team, not you
16:10:26 <devananda> ttx: no more questions related to the release
16:10:37 <ttx> devananda: alrighty then
16:10:41 <ttx> #endmeeting