19:02:16 <fungi> #startmeeting infra 19:02:17 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Aug 30 19:02:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is fungi. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 19:02:18 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 19:02:20 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'infra' 19:02:27 <fungi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/InfraTeamMeeting#Agenda_for_next_meeting 19:02:34 <fungi> #topic Announcements 19:02:34 <bkero> o/ 19:02:42 <fungi> #info Track chairs have confirmed there will be a Zuul v3 presentation at the Ocata Summit 19:02:51 <fungi> jeblair: did you have any additional details on that? 19:02:57 <Shrews> o/ 19:03:02 <rcarrillocruz> o/ 19:03:28 <jeblair> fungi: no, that's about it. i mean, i may make a sign-up table for ansi artists.... ;) 19:03:46 * mordred thinks someone should storm the room dressed as the staypufft marshmellow man 19:03:48 <fungi> heh 19:04:07 <pleia2> #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/barcelona-2016/summit-schedule/events/16615/zuul-v3-openstack-and-ansible-native-cicd 19:04:18 <fungi> perfect--thanks pleia2! 19:04:23 <jeblair> mordred: do we have anyone with experience dressing up in ridiculous costumes at summits? 19:04:26 <fungi> i was just trying to hunt that down 19:04:33 <pleia2> I can make stick puppets 19:04:49 <fungi> #info Gerrit downtime on Friday 2016-09-02 at 18:00 UTC 19:04:55 <fungi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-August/102281.html 19:05:16 <fungi> #info Reminder: late-cycle joint Infra/QA get together to be held September 19-21 (CW38) in at SAP offices in Walldorf, DE 19:05:20 <fungi> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Sprints/QAInfraNewtonSprint 19:05:22 <fungi> there are still 5 slots remaining, but if you're going you should put your name in the registration table on that wiki page soon lest you end up on the standby waiting list 19:05:43 <fungi> as always, get me announcements before next week's meeting and i'll include them 19:05:53 <fungi> #topic Actions from last meeting 19:06:03 <fungi> #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/infra/2016/infra.2016-08-23-19.01.html 19:06:08 <fungi> AJaeger start a docs ml thread to refresh constraints around retention of old/unmaintained documents 19:06:10 <fungi> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-docs/2016-August/009003.html 19:06:13 <fungi> that happened 19:06:15 <fungi> thanks! 19:06:23 <fungi> pleia2 send maintenance announcement for upcoming gerrit project renames 19:06:30 <fungi> (already linked in the announcements earlier) 19:07:17 <fungi> i may add an ad-hoc topic later if there's time to discuss project rename logistics for friday 19:07:27 <fungi> #topic Specs approval: PROPOSED "Update doc publishing spec for AFS" 19:07:33 <fungi> #link https://review.openstack.org/276482 Update doc publishing spec for AFS 19:07:35 <ianw> o/ 19:07:43 <jeblair> me puts down sandwich 19:07:48 <fungi> looks like we're set to finish voting on this one! 19:08:11 <jeblair> yeah, i think we have what we need 19:08:27 <jeblair> i updated it yesterday based on feedback from loquacities that came out of the docs ml thread 19:08:37 <fungi> good with approving it at/after 19:00 utc thursday if no objections are voiced? 19:08:46 <pabelanger> o/ 19:08:55 <jeblair> the good news is that not needing to do the migration makes things simpler, and gets rid of a significant work item 19:08:58 <jeblair> fungi: yes 19:09:01 <fungi> #info Council voting will remain open on the "Update doc publishing spec for AFS" change until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, September 1 19:09:08 <jeblair> this could use some volunteers 19:09:13 <jeblair> mordred: has volunteered 19:09:21 <mordred> yah. I will help 19:09:33 <jeblair> we could probably use another infra person, and probably a docs team member as well 19:09:42 <fungi> additional volunteers for some of the tasks would be good 19:09:49 <jeblair> it will be highly parallelizable 19:10:13 <jeblair> in fact, almost all of the work items are paralellizable 19:10:16 <pabelanger> sure, I can help 19:10:23 <jeblair> so if people wanted to pile on this, we could probably get it done very quickly 19:10:30 <fungi> AJaeger was already starting to dig through the existing content and trying to mirror a copy to see what's involved. i don't know if he has any new insights yet 19:10:44 <AJaeger> fungi: not yet - still mirroring content ;( 19:10:50 <jeblair> (and there is some urgency around this since cloud sites is being spun out, and apparently we use too many inodes) 19:10:51 <fungi> oh, wow 19:11:01 <mordred> we are big inode consumers 19:11:07 <pleia2> hehe 19:11:24 <pleia2> we break a lot of clouds 19:11:35 <fungi> AJaeger: still downloading after how long? how much do you have so far? 19:11:40 <AJaeger> Fastest way to safe inodes: Don't push up sources - and don't separate trees for each tags 19:12:12 <AJaeger> fungi, still downloading after 36 hours. I had to break after 24 hours ;( and restarted. Luckly lftp can mirror, so it's not starting from zero... 19:12:30 <pleia2> oy 19:12:32 <AJaeger> at 594184 files and 9.8 GB now... 19:13:03 <jeblair> i wonder if doing that inside of rax would be any faster? 19:13:22 <fungi> yeah, thankfully with the current version of the plan just needing an "old docs site" published somewhere after we get site generation going to the new location, having that take a few days to pull is tractable 19:13:25 <AJaeger> shouldn't be much longer.... 19:13:31 <jeblair> fungi: yep 19:13:55 <fungi> anything else we need to cover on that spec right now? 19:13:57 <persia> Sadly, for many-small-files, there is limited speedup for low-latency. 19:13:57 <clarkb> just 2ish more GB 19:14:15 <AJaeger> regarding the inode usage: I have indentifed some really unused content (we even have redirects away from it) 19:14:22 <AJaeger> And biggest offender is _source: 19:14:32 <AJaeger> 705 MB; 156k inodes 19:14:34 <jeblair> fungi: nope. we have some volunteers, and i will requisition others as needed. :) 19:14:55 <AJaeger> more in the next days... 19:15:05 <jeblair> fungi: oh, you had an idea of making that a priority effort... 19:15:24 <fungi> jeblair: ahh, yep. maybe we can propose that next week 19:15:33 <jeblair> oh, also, i'll be away next week 19:15:43 <fungi> (or the week after!) 19:16:03 <fungi> #topic Priority Efforts: Zuul v3 (jeblair) 19:16:07 <fungi> #link https://review.openstack.org/360817 Zuul v3: update branches job keyword 19:16:09 <fungi> #link https://review.openstack.org/360819 Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets 19:16:20 <jeblair> me puts sandwich down again 19:16:37 <jeblair> the first change is trivial 19:16:49 <jeblair> so go bikeshed that if you want. :) 19:16:59 <jeblair> i just didn't want to be committing code that didn't match the spec 19:17:02 <jeblair> the second is interesting 19:17:08 <jeblair> it's a substantive change 19:17:25 <jeblair> oh i thought i updated the agenda 19:17:40 <jeblair> the link should be to https://review.openstack.org/361463 19:17:50 <jeblair> #link https://review.openstack.org/361463 Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets 19:18:06 <jeblair> i think the commit msg explains the rationale 19:18:44 <fungi> aha, yep you had 360819 linked in the agenda, and i didn't double-check it 19:18:49 <fungi> sorry about that 19:19:25 <jeblair> well, i left a forwarding address in gerrit, so if anyone looked at the agenda before now, they will have ended up in the right place anyway :) 19:19:44 <fungi> heh 19:20:17 <jeblair> so i don't know if we want to open formal voting on this, or what. 19:20:32 <fungi> maybe. good that it has a clear example 19:20:48 <fungi> though your editor seems to enjoy injecting hard tabs 19:20:48 <pabelanger> I like the change 19:21:32 <jeblair> yeah, tabs are awesome, but i can remove them in a followup if we want to formally vote on the non-tab content. 19:21:49 <clarkb> reading the commit message makes sense to me 19:22:28 <fungi> i can add 361463 to the list for formal voting. 360817 i think i'll just approve as administrivia 19:22:51 <jeblair> sounds good 19:22:54 <fungi> #info Council voting will remain open on the "Zuulv3: drop variable interpolation and add nodesets" change until 19:00 UTC on Thursday, September 1 19:23:31 * mordred steals jeblair's sandwich before he can pick it up again 19:23:41 <jeblair> too late 19:23:48 <Shrews> lgtm 19:23:53 <Shrews> the review, not the sandwich 19:23:54 <fungi> hurry and take a bite 19:23:57 <fungi> #topic Priority Efforts: Nodepool: Use Zookeeper for Workers (jeblair) 19:24:00 <fungi> #link https://review.openstack.org/360821 Update nodepool zookeeper spec with branch 19:24:09 <jeblair> me puts down sandwich for the last time 19:24:22 <jeblair> this one is probably administrivia too 19:24:36 <jeblair> i think we discussed this a week or 2 ago, and started using the branch since then 19:24:37 <fungi> yep, just looked, i'm cool with approving now 19:24:43 <jeblair> so thought we ought to update the spec for it 19:25:18 <fungi> thanks 19:25:42 <fungi> #topic Design summit session planning (fungi) 19:25:47 <fungi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/infra-ocata-summit-planning Infra Ocata summit planning pad 19:26:29 <fungi> just following up quickly... i put in a preliminary request for one fishbowl and five workrooms plus the half-day collaboration space on friday 19:26:39 <Zara> \o/ 19:26:57 <fungi> if anyone disagrees, i still have until tomorrow to amend our allocation request 19:27:50 <fungi> also, are most people sticking around for friday? if so, it might make sense to request some of our workrooms be on friday morning so we can treat it like additional general collaboration time 19:28:27 <rcarrillocruz> i do plan to fly back on Saturday, so yeah 19:28:39 <bkero> me too 19:28:39 <mordred> I will be flying on saturday 19:28:42 <pleia2> same 19:28:48 <clarkb> saturday too 19:28:49 <pabelanger> I too 19:28:53 <fungi> cool, that was the hope 19:29:08 <jeblair> me too 19:29:21 <fungi> i'll let you all know what we end up with, but in the meantime keep adding session ideas to the etherpad 19:29:28 <mordred> fungi: not related to that - I will only be in germany monday and tuesday, flying to stockholm from frankfurt at noon on wednesday, in case anyone cares about such information 19:30:09 <fungi> mordred: good to know. as previously discussed, i won't be in germany but i have hopes someone will feed me highlights 19:30:24 * pleia2 takes all the notes 19:30:33 <fungi> pleia2 rocks 19:30:48 <fungi> #topic Sprint to test Gerrit online indexing (zaro) 19:31:12 <zaro> i'm looking for help to test gerrit's online reindex. 19:31:25 <zaro> using review-dev.o.o 19:31:26 <fungi> zaro: my current plan is to try it in production during our project rename maintenance in a few days, but any testing you get done before then would be awesome 19:31:53 <zaro> fungi: ok. if you want to skip then cool with me 19:32:16 <zaro> worst case is you'll just need to do offline reindex 19:32:28 <pleia2> yeah, we scheduled a 4 hour window just in case 19:32:30 <fungi> well, if you had anything you were going to try on review-dev in the next few days, feedback from that would be awesome 19:32:49 <fungi> just so we have a better idea of what to anticipate 19:33:06 <zaro> well, i'm suggesting that i run online reindex and need volunteers to use gerrit while it's reindexing 19:33:14 <zaro> that's basically the test 19:33:35 <zaro> the reindex takes about 1.5 hrs without any activity on gerrit 19:33:52 <fungi> yep. anyone have time to poke at uploading changes to and reviewing them on review-dev while there's an online reindex of a large repo happening there? 19:34:17 <pleia2> sure 19:34:41 <fungi> zaro: when do you expect to be around to kick off the reindexing and keep an eye on it? 19:34:55 <pleia2> I'm around all week, so whenever works 19:35:05 <zaro> how about tomorrow morning? 19:35:09 <pleia2> wfm 19:35:34 <fungi> also, does gerrit show-caches or show-queues or something display the reindexing progress? 19:35:55 <fungi> curious how best to keep tabs on it during our maintenance window on friday 19:35:56 <zaro> yes 19:36:03 <fungi> okay, cool 19:36:11 <zaro> show-queues 19:36:26 <fungi> thanks! 19:36:42 <zaro> how about start at 1700 utc? 19:37:03 <pleia2> sounds good 19:37:08 <fungi> i'll get to pleia2's topic on the agenda first, and then i'll inject mine about the gerrit rename maintenance logistics and we can talk a little more about reindexing as part of that 19:37:48 <zaro> cool, was going to suggest a sprint, but probably not needed. 19:37:59 <fungi> #info Gerrit online reindex testing will be run on review-dev Wednesday, August 31 starting at 17:00 UTC 19:38:11 <pleia2> zaro: maybe we can recruit some folks as we go ;) 19:38:23 <fungi> sounds good 19:38:30 <fungi> #topic Another bug day? (pleia2) 19:38:38 <pleia2> so, the last time we did one of these was back in April 19:38:44 <fungi> i agree, seems like we're overdue 19:38:45 <pleia2> bugs are piling up again 19:38:56 <pleia2> I think it would be nice to get this out of the way before our sprint in germany 19:39:14 <pleia2> next week is bad for me because there's a Jury Summons on my desk, my schedule is unpredicable 19:39:18 <pleia2> but any time the week after 19:39:43 <clarkb> what about monday of thr week after? 19:39:51 <clarkb> next monday is a us holiday 19:39:51 <pleia2> wfm 19:40:02 <pleia2> september 12th 19:40:47 <fungi> yeah, that seems fine for me 19:41:08 <fungi> i have nothing on my calendar except a weekly vmt thing 19:41:09 <pabelanger> I think that works for me too 19:41:38 <pleia2> ok, I'll get that organized w/ etherpad and add to the sprint channel schedule 19:42:00 <fungi> #info Infra bug sprint tentatively scheduled for Monday, September 12 19:42:28 <fungi> action pleia2 set up sprint booking for infra bug day 19:42:33 <fungi> thanks! 19:42:37 <fungi> #action pleia2 set up sprint booking for infra bug day 19:42:44 <fungi> helps if i # those 19:43:15 <fungi> anything else we should cover now for bug day planning? 19:43:26 <pleia2> I don't think so 19:44:04 <fungi> #topic Gerrit rename maintenance logistics (fungi) 19:44:30 <fungi> i got to going back over the change that added teh rename playbook 19:44:44 <fungi> #link https://review.openstack.org/175147 Add an ansible playbook for project renames 19:45:06 <fungi> unfortunately i hadn't gotten around to reviewing that before it merged last year 19:45:25 <fungi> it seems we took out the steps for renaming/transferring repos in github but i don't see what in the playbook takes care of that 19:45:41 <fungi> i'm assuming i should add that back into the manual part of the process 19:46:07 <fungi> also it's doing a graceful stop of zuul via kill -URS1 which i fear will take faaaaar too long for us 19:46:20 <fungi> er, kill -USR1 19:46:41 <yuval> (yuval from smaug => karbor here, arriving late :) 19:46:50 <jeblair> yeah, that'd take 24 hours 19:47:04 <fungi> and it'll need updating to remove the offline reindexing step now that we can do online 19:47:32 <fungi> just trying to pick everyone's brain that's done prior renames to see if there's any other gotchas that jump out at you 19:49:34 <fungi> and i'm fuzzy on how any of this actually works 19:49:40 <jeblair> has it ever been used? 19:49:56 <fungi> not in our gerrit at least 19:50:20 <fungi> for example, the shell items that echo db queries through |mysql reviewdb 19:50:22 <jeblair> yolanda is not here, though she decided it was ready to be merged... 19:50:26 <pleia2> and not in prod afaik 19:50:39 <jeblair> mordred: do you have thoughts? 19:51:34 <mordred> jeblair: not useful ones 19:52:10 <fungi> it looks like `echo ... |mysql reviewdb` is relying on ~root/.my.cnf being set up correctly, so that's probably fine 19:52:27 <fungi> as i too rely on that going to our trove instance correctly 19:52:53 <fungi> i'll doublecheck that storyboard.o.o has a similarly correct ~root/.my.cnf 19:53:51 <fungi> anyway, i'm still game for giving this a shot, but would appreciate people getting up with me with any concerns over it before friday so i can revert to our old mostly-manual process if necessary 19:54:11 <jeblair> well, i certainly wouldn't stop zuul that way 19:54:39 <clarkb> its looking likr I may be sitting with at least one foundation staff member to go over using gerrit during the renames so I will defer to others 19:54:52 <fungi> right. things i already know need to be changed there: zuul stop/start/reenqueue, offline reindex. also adding teh github steps back into the manual steps 19:54:59 <clarkb> (we can use review dev while review is down) 19:55:10 <pleia2> I'll have a look through too to see if anything jumps out at me 19:55:30 <fungi> appreciated 19:56:27 <zaro> clarkb: hopefully it will only be down for a little bit 19:57:04 <fungi> #topic Open discussion 19:57:35 <yuval> hey, yuval from smaug/karbor - is anything required on our part during/after the rename? 19:58:06 <fungi> yuval: we'll generate a change you'll want to approve that updates your .gitreview file 19:58:33 <fungi> yuval: but also you may find that some of your jobs are broken by the new repo name and, if so, you'll probably want to be around to patch those as needed 19:59:20 <AJaeger> fungi, the changes look complete - but there're always surprises ;) 19:59:26 <fungi> that's one of the reasons we usually do these right before the weekend, so you have a little time to get tests updated before they'll impact a large number of new changes in review 19:59:55 <fungi> AJaeger: yeah, it's often going to be things like repo urls hard-coded in devstack plugins or something 19:59:59 <fungi> okay, we're out of time 20:00:02 <fungi> thanks everyone! 20:00:06 <fungi> #endmeeting