16:00:31 <eglute> #startmeeting interopwg
16:00:32 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Aug 23 16:00:31 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is eglute. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:36 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'interopwg'
16:00:50 <eglute> #topic agenda
16:00:50 <markvoelker> o/
16:00:52 <Rockyg> i'm baack
16:00:57 <eglute> #chair markvoelker hogepodge
16:00:58 <openstack> Current chairs: eglute hogepodge markvoelker
16:01:03 * eglute waves to everyone
16:01:09 <eglute> welcome back Rockyg!
16:01:23 <hogepodge> o/
16:01:31 <eglute> Today's agenda #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropVertigo.12
16:01:33 <eglute> please update as needed
16:02:01 <eglute> #topic PTG
16:02:34 <eglute> Please add yourself to the etherpad if you are planning on attending PTG: #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/InteropDenver2017PTG
16:03:04 <eglute> also, topics welcome!
16:03:31 <eglute> please add things you would like to see discussed!
16:04:06 <mguiney> o/
16:04:16 <catherineD> o/
16:04:39 <eglute> is there anything that would should be sure to cover during the PTG?
16:04:46 <zhipeng> o/
16:04:58 <hogepodge> Meet with other projects to see if we want to add more extensions
16:05:31 <eglute> hogepodge which ones do you think we should aim for?
16:06:27 <hogepodge> I don't know. We should ask projects if they want to get involved, encourage projects to draft their own standards
16:06:51 <hogepodge> Also look at smaller verticals, like standalone Cinder and Ironic
16:07:31 <eglute> The standalone verticals sound good!
16:07:51 <eglute> I am there only Monday+Tuesday (and Sunday), so wont be there when it is project time
16:08:14 <hogepodge> We can encourage them to come to our meetings, though.
16:08:14 <eglute> can i ask for volunteers to talk to different project leads about verticals+add ons?
16:08:57 <markvoelker> I'll only be there Monday and Tuesday as well, but happy to chat with anyone who's around about those then.
16:09:31 <eglute> thank you markvoelker
16:09:54 <eglute> I think cinder and ironic verticals would get a lot of interest from the community
16:10:01 <hogepodge> I kind of the implicit volunteer for this? ;-)
16:10:16 <eglute> thank you hogepodge :D
16:10:27 <eglute> Rockyg and catherineD
16:10:40 <eglute> are you going to be in Denver, and for how long?
16:11:46 <catherineD> eglute: don't know whether I will be at PTG yet
16:11:53 <Rocky_g> sorry.  some of us got kicked off
16:12:00 <eglute> catherineD: sorry to hear that!
16:12:03 <catherineD> but if I will be there it would be Monday and Tuesday
16:12:05 <Rocky_g> I know I won't.
16:12:14 <eglute> Rocky_g kicked off IRC or PTG?
16:12:30 <eglute> Rocky_g we will miss you
16:12:31 <Rocky_g> irc
16:13:09 <mrhillsman> bah, had window open and still tardy
16:13:39 <eglute> ok, lets find out if we can invite anyone from Cinder/Ironic + other projects to interop sessions for discussions
16:14:24 <eglute> anything else regarding PTG?
16:14:55 <hogepodge> Reminder of board meeting on the Sunday before, we'll be getting approval for the programs then.
16:15:25 <eglute> hogepodge is right! we will need to finalize all the things before then
16:15:38 <eglute> we can get fix/improve as needed
16:15:52 <eglute> afterwords, but we need to finalize add on programs
16:15:59 <eglute> as well as 2017.09
16:16:07 <eglute> #topic 2017.09
16:16:48 <eglute> if anyone notices anything missing from 2017.09, let us know
16:17:10 <eglute> we talked about the bug report last week, #link https://storyboard.openstack.org/#!/story/2001156
16:17:53 <eglute> looks like zhipeng is not here this week
16:18:06 <hogepodge> I don't think that's a bug.
16:18:24 <eglute> hogepodge could you please update the story then?
16:18:24 <catherineD> hogepodge: ++
16:18:37 <eglute> hogepodge you are right, i think thats what we discussed last meeting
16:18:43 * eglute needs more coffee
16:19:32 <eglute> ok, in that case, anything else on 2017.09?
16:19:34 * Rocky_g is so withe glute on the coffee front
16:20:00 * eglute hands Rocky_g a cup
16:20:14 <eglute> #topic Flag a test that requires a second set of user credential
16:20:25 <eglute> thank you catherineD for flagging #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/491927/
16:20:47 <eglute> it looks good to me, everyone, please review as well
16:20:53 <eglute> i think it is ready to be merged
16:20:56 * Rocky_g asks eglute for a double soup bowl of extra strength
16:22:14 <eglute> #topic Extension programs
16:22:27 <eglute> Designate: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/492635/
16:22:48 <eglute> hogepodge i think last week we talked about making the capabilities as advisory, rather than required
16:22:55 <eglute> or am i remembering this wrong?
16:23:27 <hogepodge> eglute: yes, I would up taking the end of the week and beginning of this week off for the eclipse, so haven't finished updating the patches.
16:23:44 <hogepodge> I'm just running behind again. :-(
16:23:46 <eglute> ah cool
16:24:12 <eglute> hogepodge sorry. next time, we will leave the sun on for a little longer :D
16:24:13 <hogepodge> I also need to add the adjusted criteria
16:24:15 <eglute> and more coffee
16:24:24 <eglute> hogepodge how can we help
16:24:32 <hogepodge> It was a glorious day.
16:24:53 <hogepodge> I just need to send the patches up. Look for them soon. Hopefully tonight.
16:25:00 <Rocky_g> That's what I've heard from everyone in the zone
16:25:52 <Rocky_g> hey, zhipeng !
16:26:03 <eglute> heh, it was just another hot and bright day in TX. we lost some of the sun, and it probably was a degree or two cooler, but hard to tell when it is over 100
16:26:03 <zhipeng> hey Rocky_g
16:26:11 <zhipeng> just got dropped off by the internet...
16:26:14 <eglute> thank you hogepodge
16:26:23 <eglute> zhipeng welcome back
16:26:55 <eglute> ok, so any additional comments on the DNS extension?
16:27:16 <eglute> how about Heat extension?
16:27:35 <eglute> this is your chance everyone, before hogepodge makes the changes :)
16:28:19 <Rocky_g> I'm thinking calico might want to be considered for extension
16:28:45 <zhipeng> hogepodge I remember last meeting it was agreed to put all the capabilities in advisory for heat ?
16:28:59 <Rocky_g> I'm gonna review this afternoon again.
16:29:21 <hogepodge> Yes, to be approved as required in January. Same as DNS.
16:29:33 <eglute> Rocky_g why do you think Calico would want to be considered? Have you spoken to them?
16:30:04 <Rocky_g> No, but mature, used by many, reasonable team.
16:30:18 <Rocky_g> Would be another sign of maturity for them
16:30:19 <eglute> Rocky_g is that OpenStack project?
16:30:38 <hogepodge> It isn't
16:30:39 <Rocky_g> It started out as such. I'll have to check if it still is.
16:31:07 <Rocky_g> Ah. Thanks hogepodge. They moved really fast.
16:31:09 <eglute> yeah doesn't look like it
16:31:26 <Rocky_g> Kolla is another that might be interested.
16:31:39 <eglute> any other comments on DNS or Heat programs?
16:33:14 <hogepodge> yes
16:33:32 <hogepodge> Heat has some APIs that weren't available in Mitaka, but were in Newton
16:33:54 <eglute> isnt't kolla just a way to deploy openstack?
16:33:57 <hogepodge> It makes the timing really funny, because Mitaka will drop off next year but in advisory Newton will be available.
16:34:19 <eglute> hogepodge i think thats ok
16:34:33 <eglute> since it is an add on
16:34:48 <hogepodge> I'm strongly in favor of keeping them with goal of approval early next year, based on PTL and project leader feedback that the API is exceptionally useful.
16:35:00 <Rocky_g> so, new apis can be advisory until they meet the release reqs
16:35:16 <hogepodge> But given my strong bias towards keeping them, I want to raise the issue to the WG so we can decide collectively.
16:35:29 <eglute> i agree with hogepodge
16:35:34 <markvoelker_> ++
16:35:37 <hogepodge> zhipeng: has raised the issue in the code review
16:35:50 <eglute> since it is an addon and not one of the main programs, i am fine with it
16:37:24 <zhipeng> ++
16:37:37 <eglute> hogepodge looks like no objections from the working group :)
16:37:43 <hogepodge> It's the stack environment API, which I believe was added to support multiple environments.
16:38:19 <eglute> as advisory until next year :)
16:38:37 <eglute> anything else on DNS or heat?
16:38:49 <hogepodge> Ok, we can continue to discuss in the code review too. I just wanted to make sure that everyone was aware of the issue and had a chance to weigh in. I'm really grateful for zhipeng looking at the patch so carefully.
16:39:19 <zhipeng> thx hogepodge
16:39:36 <eglute> good catch zhipeng!
16:40:09 <eglute> #topic
16:40:09 <eglute> Create rough draft of extension programs
16:40:17 <eglute> #topic Create rough draft of extension programs
16:40:35 <eglute> so markvoelker_ has draft documents for the extension programs
16:40:40 <eglute> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/472785/
16:41:00 <eglute> i would like the documents merged before PTG as well
16:41:09 <eglute> thanks to everyone that commented
16:41:50 <eglute> i know Rocky_g has posted comments that markvoelker_ has not responded to yet, any other comments?
16:42:23 <eglute> probably been a while since everyone looked, but would be helpful if everyone would take a look again and see if you approve
16:42:50 <hogepodge> +1
16:43:03 <hogepodge> The logos are out of date ;-)
16:43:35 <eglute> oh yeah, hogepodge are there new logos?
16:44:13 <eglute> hogepodge do we need to talk to someone at the foundation in addition to you about the new programs?
16:44:26 <eglute> make sure naming and other things are appropriate?
16:44:53 <hogepodge> oddly enough a bunch aren't updated in the marketplace
16:45:00 * hogepodge runs off to inform the web team
16:46:36 * eglute wonders if hogepodge is running to in virtual space or real space
16:46:41 <hogepodge> eglute: everyone is pretty aware of what we're doing. It's mainly design and legal, and we've discussed it with our lawyer. Extensions will just be an addendum to the regular contract
16:46:47 <hogepodge> virtual
16:46:56 <eglute> cool, thank you hogepodge
16:47:01 <hogepodge> We just need to schedule the work with the design team, which would happen post summit.
16:47:09 <eglute> sounds good!
16:47:29 <eglute> anything else on extensions?
16:47:41 <eglute> #topic Vertical Programs
16:47:56 <eglute> something we will be discussing at PTG
16:48:43 <eglute> markvoelker_ and me met with ildikov last week, she is going to keep tabs on OPNFV and let us know if anything of note happens
16:48:45 <Rocky_g> ++
16:49:06 <eglute> no other updates from me on the subject
16:49:14 <Rocky_g> I'd like to remote in on the verticals discussion
16:49:18 <markvoelker_> yeah, not much to talk about here today.  I'll make a note to make a few touch-ups to the rough draft doc on vertical/add-on programs.
16:49:19 <ildikov> eglute: +1 :)
16:49:29 <eglute> thank you markvoelker_
16:49:38 * eglute waves to ildikov
16:49:48 * ildikov waves back :)
16:50:04 <eglute> #Requireing subunit results
16:50:14 <eglute> #topic Requireing subunit results
16:50:46 <eglute> no updates here either, other that i have lost track of that action item and need to get back to it and work with hogepodge on it
16:52:39 <eglute> Btw, congratulations to hogepodge for becoming RefStack PTL
16:52:51 <mguiney> ++
16:53:23 <hogepodge> Thank you. I'll do my best to live up to the high standard that catherineD set for us.
16:53:23 <eglute> catherineD did tremendous work on RefStack, thank you so much catherineD for leading RefStack for the last couple years
16:54:00 <catherineD> hogepodge: eglute: Thank you!
16:54:41 <eglute> hopefully this means that catherineD will have more time for interopwg :)
16:54:52 <Rocky_g> ++ do well!  you have or support.
16:55:29 <eglute> #topic open floor
16:55:31 <eglute> anything else to discuss in the last 5 minutes?
16:55:40 <catherineD> hogepodge: Congrats!  The RefStack project is in good hands!
16:55:52 <Rocky_g> *our*
16:56:19 <catherineD> eglute: will try
16:56:38 <ildikov> FYI: OPNFV CVP program user interface (in progress): https://cvp.opnfv.org/#/
16:56:55 <eglute> thank you ildikov!
16:57:07 <ildikov> in the current version you can sign in with OpenStack ID as well
16:57:16 <eglute> that looks a lot like refstack i think
16:57:23 <ildikov> I couldn't get there yet to read through their docs
16:57:42 <ildikov> eglute: following a great example :)
16:57:47 <eglute> :D
16:58:03 <eglute> looks great so far :D
16:58:09 <ildikov> :)
16:58:12 <zhipeng> refstack vendor :P
16:58:13 <hogepodge> They are using the refstack code base
16:58:42 <hogepodge> Because of positive interactions we had with the opnfv team at the last PTG
16:58:58 <eglute> Cool! way to get re-use.
16:59:34 <eglute> we are almost out of time. thanks everyone, and as usual, send emails or IRC messages if you need anything!
16:59:39 <ildikov> hogepodge: eglute: +1
16:59:39 <eglute> #endmeeting