17:00:16 <jroll> #startmeeting ironic
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17:00:23 <jroll> hi all, who's here for the ironic meeting?
17:00:30 <jroll> #chair devananda NobodyCam
17:00:30 <betherly> :) hi all
17:00:31 <openstack> Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll
17:00:32 <vdrok> o/
17:00:37 <mariojv> \o
17:00:39 <Madasi> o/
17:00:41 <devananda> o/
17:00:44 <TheJulia> o/
17:00:50 <sambetts> o/
17:00:56 <lucasagomes> o/
17:00:58 <jlvillal> \o/
17:01:00 <Nisha> o/
17:01:04 <jroll> as always, the agenda is here: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
17:01:05 <dtantsur> o/
17:01:08 <jroll> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
17:01:18 <mkovacik> o/
17:01:43 <jroll> #topic Announcements
17:01:50 <gabriel> o/
17:02:03 <jroll> first and foremost, I'd like to officially welcome vdrok and jlvillal to the ironic core reviewer team \o/
17:02:29 <sambetts> \o/
17:02:36 <vdrok> thanks :)
17:02:41 <jlvillal> I just want to say thank you :)
17:02:51 <gabriel> congratulations, vdrok and jlvillal !
17:02:56 <krtaylor> o/
17:03:07 <krtaylor> yes, congrats!
17:03:10 <dtantsur> \o/
17:03:17 <jroll> secondly, an update on Liberty release status. we're planning on releasing 4.2.1 this week, which will become the Liberty integrated release
17:03:27 <devananda> welcome to the team, vdrok & jlvillal :)
17:03:32 <jroll> trying to land and backport this patch first:
17:03:34 <jroll> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/231215/
17:03:35 <lucasagomes> congrats jlvillal vdrok !
17:04:01 <jlvillal> Thanks everyone
17:04:16 <jroll> does anyone have any other announcements? :)
17:04:27 <lucasagomes> jroll, +1, I think it may need an email as well, cause that's also a breaking change
17:04:45 <jroll> lucasagomes: yep, it'll be in email and release notes, I'll hack on those today
17:04:51 <lucasagomes> cool
17:06:03 <jroll> ok, moving on...
17:06:03 <gabriel> We from the OneView driver team are glad to announce the approval of our patch :)
17:06:11 <jroll> ah, yes!
17:06:20 <gabriel> Thank you all for all the reviews
17:06:24 <jroll> the OneView driver is on it's way to merge \o/
17:06:27 <gabriel> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191822/
17:06:40 <gabriel> \o/
17:06:42 <jroll> #topic sub-team status reports
17:06:43 <gabriel> :D
17:06:43 <devananda> nice!
17:06:47 <jroll> as always, these are at:
17:06:50 <jroll> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
17:07:00 * jroll gives folks a few minutes to review
17:07:25 <JayF> Some ongoing work that got spun up a couple of weeks ago but isn't on any of the updates
17:07:32 <JayF> is the push to make the IPA ramdisk smaller
17:07:43 <JayF> curious if anyone's aware of a specific catalyst for that?
17:08:04 <lucasagomes> gabriel, w00t :-)
17:08:08 <jroll> JayF: running full tempest currently takes 4-6 hours or something ridiculous, because we can't do much build concurrency
17:08:52 <NobodyCam> uggh sorry was late
17:08:54 <jroll> JayF: (and that's something we'd like to get running at least on check in nova)
17:09:29 <jroll> does anyone have any questions/comments on the subteam reports?
17:10:10 <lucasagomes> jroll, JayF perhaps we can use sambetts tinyIPA for the parallel tests
17:10:26 * lucasagomes tested it locally with iscsi methodology and it works
17:10:34 <jroll> lucasagomes: yeah, something to look into
17:10:51 <JayF> I don't object at all to looking at new/smaller ramdisks or shrinking the CoreOS one
17:10:59 <JayF> just curious as to what the explicit goal was
17:11:03 <jroll> yep
17:11:38 <lucasagomes> JayF, right
17:11:57 <jlvillal> JayF: Maybe sambetts can comment on motivation?
17:13:00 <JayF> jlvillal: well it sounds like from jroll that we're just trying to get more parallelism for our tempest tests, which makes sense to me
17:13:50 <jroll> anything else here or can we move on?
17:13:50 <dtantsur> also proof-of-concepts on virtual machines: not everyone has so much RAM on their laptop..
17:13:59 <sambetts> I was just interested it seeing if we could make a smaller ramdisk with a hopfully less complicated build for IPA, I just like experimenting with things like this :)
17:14:39 <sambetts> https://github.com/Tehsmash/tinyipa
17:14:47 <sambetts> for reference ^
17:14:54 <jroll> #link https://github.com/Tehsmash/tinyipa
17:15:00 <NobodyCam> ty jroll :)
17:15:09 <jroll> ok, moving on for now...
17:15:10 <JayF> sambetts: if you proposed that to imagebuild/ (assuming you are Tehsmash) I'd have no opposition to inlcuding that as well
17:15:25 <lucasagomes> ++
17:15:36 <JayF> sambetts: you'd probably be able to refactor it to package whatever git HEAD is at too
17:15:51 <JayF> and we could start publishing a tinyipa tarball as well :) No reason to not do it
17:16:02 <NobodyCam> ++
17:16:10 <jroll> yeah I like that
17:16:39 <jroll> #topic Summit session prioritization/scheduling
17:16:42 <jroll> let's move on
17:16:53 <jroll> so, a list of session proposals are here:
17:16:55 <jroll> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-ironic-design-summit-ideas
17:17:03 <jroll> we have four fishbowls and four workroom sessions
17:17:16 <jroll> I've reserved a fishbowl for a joint session with nova at the bottom
17:17:34 <jroll> I'd like to get a sense of what sessions we think are most valuable; we need a final schedule by thursday
17:17:39 <lucasagomes> jroll, let's make sure the nova folks will come to the room
17:17:51 <jroll> lucasagomes: yep, johnthetubaguy is wrangling them to do so
17:17:55 <lucasagomes> cool
17:18:12 <jroll> does anyone have any strong opinions for or against any of these sessions?
17:18:29 <lucasagomes> I think the notification one is really valuable, I would love to see it implemented
17:18:35 <lucasagomes> tho I don't know if it's controversial
17:18:44 * lucasagomes feels everyone agrees notification is pretty cool
17:18:47 <jroll> I see a few suggestions on the pad to cover topics on the mailing list instead of the session, which is good
17:19:01 <sambetts> +1 on the driver compistion one
17:19:02 <jroll> lucasagomes: yeah +1, though what/how/when we send notifications would need some work
17:19:10 <gabriel> lucasagomes: do you mean the #2 on that list?
17:19:13 <lucasagomes> yeah perhaps the format etc
17:19:22 <lucasagomes> gabriel, yes
17:20:05 * jlvillal tempted to remove all colors, but won't ...
17:20:08 <gabriel> I'd love to have that discussed/decided/implemented too :)
17:20:13 <lucasagomes> the non-tech one that I would like to see as well is the "How can we improve rate of reviews"
17:20:16 <jroll> jlvillal: you can turn them off on your end in settings :)
17:20:21 <lucasagomes> n 11
17:20:33 <jlvillal> jroll: Ah, thanks
17:20:37 <lucasagomes> I think this is the core part of the project, if we can improve it the better we are
17:20:59 <NobodyCam> lucasagomes: +
17:21:15 <dtantsur> I think "How can we improve rate of reviews" should be solved in a bar on Monday :)
17:21:26 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, heh that also works
17:21:31 <lucasagomes> needs to be discussed
17:21:33 <jroll> I'd personally like to discuss third-party drivers and how we eventually get to the point where we have third party CI for them
17:21:50 <jroll> dtantsur: ++ for starting that over drinks and escalating to the ML
17:22:25 <dtantsur> I'd like to get folks talking about driver composition again, as it's a major and controversial change
17:22:28 <jroll> devananda: dtantsur anyone else, are there API versioning things we want to talk about or are we mostly good?
17:22:35 <jlvillal> Big +1 for Ops Session
17:22:36 <lucasagomes> jroll, ++ useful as well
17:22:43 * jroll thanks whoever is bolding things
17:22:48 <dtantsur> jroll, we're not good until we land a spec on it IMO
17:22:50 <lucasagomes> I would like to think that we can iron out the API versioning in a session as well
17:22:58 <devananda> jroll: we should be cleaning up the docs around them -- but I'm not sure that a discussoin session is needed
17:23:00 <lucasagomes> things like when we need to bump it is very important
17:23:09 <dtantsur> but I would not waste time on it, to be honest, as we have a de facto agreement
17:23:10 <jroll> lucasagomes: dtantsur: can you add some notes on what we may want to discuss?
17:23:11 <lucasagomes> and I don't think we have an agreement about it yet
17:23:12 <jlvillal> jroll: You're welcome
17:23:22 <devananda> lucasagomes: oh hm. you think there's stuff not covered in the docs that we need to discuss?
17:23:23 <lucasagomes> jroll, sure... /me adds
17:23:29 <jroll> thanks
17:23:39 <devananda> jlvillal: what would that Ops Session cover?
17:24:01 <jlvillal> I would like to hear feedback from operators on ironic.
17:24:04 <devananda> jlvillal: in the past, I've tried to hold those sessions and found them either unattended or the feedback was not anything we didn't already have
17:24:08 <lucasagomes> devananda, I think things like "bump the version for backward compat changes" still in the air no?
17:24:11 <jlvillal> What are we doing right for them. What are we doing wrong.
17:24:18 <jlvillal> devananda: Oh :(
17:24:23 <dtantsur> let us discuss versioning on the core party, and get seriously drunk before
17:24:30 <lucasagomes> every time it was brought up I saw many discussion but no affirmation of it
17:24:36 <TheJulia> dtantsur: ++
17:24:45 <devananda> jlvillal: yea. I tried again at the ops midcycle and got no feedback from ops
17:24:47 <NobodyCam> TheJulia: dtantsur ++
17:25:03 <jlvillal> devananda: Me personally I have very little insight into how the operators are using Ironic. So I would like to now more.
17:25:10 <jlvillal> devananda: That is unfortunate...
17:25:10 <jroll> lucasagomes: with api versioning, I almost tend to think we should document the current rules / status quo, and debate from there
17:25:36 <lucasagomes> jroll, yeah
17:25:38 <devananda> jlvillal: afaict, openstack operators are concerned with different things -- like how to manage database replication or their nagios alerts -- and aren't using ironic to deploy openstack yet
17:25:43 <dtantsur> jroll, lucasagomes, it's not that we don't have anything documented: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/ironic/webapi/v1.html#api-versioning
17:25:47 <lucasagomes> jroll, ok, maybe an action note to do that?
17:25:53 <jlvillal> devananda: Okay.
17:26:10 <jroll> lucasagomes: what I mean is, let's not use a session for that :P
17:26:11 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, ok, are we good with it?
17:26:30 <dtantsur> well.... we've lived with it for 2 cycles, I guess we can live on
17:26:32 <devananda> jroll: ++ to fixing our documentation first
17:26:58 <lucasagomes> heh ok fair
17:27:11 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, ok :-) you were my biggest concern about it
17:27:21 <jroll> ok, I'm going to remove the api versioning session
17:27:36 <dtantsur> I still hate it, but c'mon... we have to move on one day, it looks like it's here to stay :)
17:27:51 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, heh ++
17:28:00 <jroll> "deploy driver using ansible" <- I think I want to see a spec before we start discussing this, is anyone opposed to me striking this one out
17:28:02 <jroll> ?
17:28:10 <dtantsur> major ++ to spec first
17:28:19 <lucasagomes> I like the idea, but indeed needs a spec
17:28:30 <dtantsur> actually, we agreed that all technical discussions need a spec in advance, no?
17:28:37 <devananda> jroll: pls to not using a session on that
17:28:53 <jroll> devananda: yeah heh
17:28:59 <jroll> dtantsur: roughly agreed, yes
17:29:13 <NobodyCam> dtantsur: yea I thought we did
17:29:20 <devananda> it's an idea that I discussed in passing with folks maybe a year ago, but I don't see what problems it actually solves
17:29:21 <dtantsur> I wonder if the next summit, when we have more slots, we could have a slot for subprojects
17:29:50 <devananda> afaict, it's just "make a more flexible deploy driver"
17:30:57 <jroll> "Features to increase reliabity and availability" IMO this is very broad, and some parts of it are way in the future. anyone +1/-1 on this?
17:31:53 <lucasagomes> jroll, well it has some hard dependencies that may take the whole cycle to be completed
17:31:54 <lucasagomes> cinder
17:32:00 <jroll> yeah
17:32:01 <lucasagomes> so, not sure if it worth talk about it right now ?
17:32:12 <lucasagomes> at least for mitaka, I think it's a good session for the future
17:32:13 <dtantsur> maybe next summit...
17:32:17 <jroll> other than that one, it's just a list of things that aren't contentious and we have a good path forward on
17:32:26 <jroll> that one being the N+1 thing
17:32:32 <jroll> yeah, I'm going to boot that one
17:32:32 <devananda> we had a session on cinder last summit -- it was great to share knowledge with everyone
17:32:45 <lucasagomes> devananda, ++
17:32:51 <devananda> but there wasn't anything contentious that I recall. so I htink that's just a matter of "lets get the things written and reviewed"
17:33:02 <NobodyCam> ya we did learn some new things in that session .. so ++
17:33:08 <lucasagomes> that went very one, tho we didn't merge/implemented that work yet
17:33:22 <devananda> more scalable / faster / better lock manager?
17:34:03 <lucasagomes> I like lock manager idea
17:34:43 <gabriel> are there plans to carry cinder integration on in this cycle?
17:34:56 <jroll> devananda: so what's there to talk about there? upgrade is going to be weird/hard, other than that?
17:35:19 <jroll> I'm going to move some stuff around since I've crossed a bunch of things out here
17:35:21 <jroll> gabriel: yes
17:35:29 <wanyen> gariel,  yes. iLo driver team is working on Cinder integration.
17:35:31 <devananda> jroll: tooz or !tooz. wait for cross-project agreement or do-it-now. if we want to pick one, which one?
17:35:34 <lucasagomes> gabriel, ++, that have been requested many times
17:35:44 <devananda> jroll: these are all things that several of us have different opinions on, I beliee
17:36:28 <devananda> and since we have different opinions, I thnk that means it's worth hashing it out in person rather than in a spec
17:37:02 <jroll> devananda: yeah, fair enough
17:37:08 <devananda> I'd also suggest group management get a slot
17:37:21 <devananda> we've punted on the chassis vs. tags vs. something else discussion for a while
17:37:28 <dtantsur> oh yeah...
17:37:28 <vdrok> ++ for group management
17:37:33 <jroll> yeah, I'm okay with that
17:37:48 <NobodyCam> devananda: oh that would be a good one
17:38:02 <wanyen> devananda and jroll: ilo driver team has a group managemt spec, it's udner internal review.  We plan to submit a spec soon.
17:38:07 <NobodyCam> would love to either use or remove chassis obj
17:38:28 <gabriel> So shouldn't we have a session on cinder integration, then? Or is it already well discussed?
17:38:31 <devananda> wanyen: can you get a draft up before the summit? this week would even be great ...
17:38:32 <jroll> wanyen: it would be very very beneficial to have that up before summit
17:38:46 <jroll> gabriel: it's pretty well discussed, people have work in progress on it
17:38:48 <devananda> gabriel: I feel like it's well discussed
17:38:48 <lucasagomes> gabriel, it's been discussed already
17:38:52 <devananda> :)
17:38:57 <lucasagomes> we know what needs to be done, we just need to do it
17:38:59 <wanyen> jroll: yes.  Will sumbit it before summit
17:39:05 <lucasagomes> for both boot from volume and also mounting volumes
17:39:16 <gabriel> I see... thanks.
17:39:26 * lucasagomes will grab the etherpad for ya
17:39:39 <jroll> wanyen: thanks
17:39:45 <dtantsur> wanyen, cool! please make sure it's more or less in line with the ongoing work on adding tags (or that it explicitly supersedes it)
17:39:55 <wanyen> devananda:  okay. we will try to submit it by end of this week
17:40:06 * dtantsur is really not sure how these two features are related
17:40:30 <jroll> ok, so we're down to 9 sessions for 8 slots
17:40:35 <devananda> progress!
17:40:46 <jroll> just need to remove one more - rate of reviews thing?
17:40:46 <lucasagomes> :-)
17:40:59 <jroll> I'm good with removing that and talking about it informally
17:41:05 <wanyen> dtantsur: it will be group management APi & framework.  The implementaiton can be done by enhancing tag or use native hardware group mgmt capabilities.
17:41:13 <devananda> jroll: 1 and 9 are very similar
17:41:28 <jroll> devananda: ....kinda
17:41:31 <dtantsur> wanyen, good! I'm just making sure you're aware of it
17:41:33 <devananda> driver composition && driver API
17:41:38 <jroll> devananda: I think there's 40 minutes worth of stuff in each one
17:41:40 <devananda> they're different, but related
17:41:52 <dtantsur> mmmmm... remotely related, I would say
17:42:03 <devananda> oh, totally -- we could talk for hours on each of these topics, I suspect :)
17:42:05 <jroll> devananda: and I don't think "how to improve rate of reviews" is a great summit session
17:42:13 <devananda> jroll: *nod*
17:42:32 <jroll> anyone opposed to removing that one? (#7)
17:42:39 <lucasagomes> jroll, we can talk about it in the ironic dinner (are we having one? )
17:42:43 <lucasagomes> I mean the review thing
17:42:47 <devananda> jroll: would "how to better coordinate reviews across the team, so we can land code faster" be better?
17:42:53 <lucasagomes> and if we don't have a dinner planned, we should
17:42:54 <dtantsur> ++ for removing, ++ for handling it during the dinner
17:42:58 <jroll> lucasagomes: nobody has set up a dinner yet afaik
17:43:05 <jroll> devananda: see also "get organized" :D
17:43:16 <lucasagomes> jroll, we can talk about it in the open topics
17:43:26 <jroll> lucasagomes: yeah, even friday
17:43:31 <devananda> jroll: right. I don't see that in a slot
17:43:35 <jroll> ok, nuking it
17:43:59 <wanyen> jroll: I actually like to discuss review process for 3rd-party driver spec & code
17:44:39 <jroll> ok, we're 8/8 there, is anyone opposed to the list? I'll work with some folks this week as far as scheduling
17:44:46 <wanyen> jroll: and 3rd-party doc
17:45:12 <jroll> wanyen: yes, I think there's a few things to talk about there, could you add those to the 3rd party session?
17:45:24 <wanyen> ok
17:45:35 <jroll> wanyen: oh, never mind, that's 3rd party CI
17:45:51 <dtantsur> jroll, as to the FRIDAY section, do you object if I put an ironic-inspector team meet up there as well?
17:45:55 <jroll> wanyen: let's talk later about when/how to discuss that :)
17:46:04 <dtantsur> we do need a chance to chat over our stuff
17:46:10 <jroll> dtantsur: not necessarily, however that's a 30 person room we're sharing with infra already :/
17:46:31 <jroll> dtantsur: but inspector is part of the ironic umbrella, so mi casa es su casa
17:46:41 <dtantsur> jroll, ironic-inspector team is a subset of the ironic team anyway (though not of the core team)
17:46:49 <jroll> (my house is your house, meaning we can share)
17:46:52 <jroll> yeah
17:46:58 <jroll> that seems fine to me
17:47:31 <jroll> I'm going to open up open discussion in case folks have other topics, we can of course continue this one too
17:47:36 <jroll> thanks for everyone's help sorting these out
17:47:39 <jroll> :D
17:47:43 <jroll> #topic Open Discussion
17:47:59 <wanyen> jroll: I added under 3rd-party CI.  You canre-org it
17:48:02 <lucasagomes> who wants to have an ironic dinner?
17:48:09 <mariojv> \o
17:48:20 <NobodyCam> \o
17:48:23 <jlvillal> Should we add support for 'Openstack-*' headers? In addition to 'X-Openstack-*' headers?
17:48:25 <TheJulia> o/
17:48:27 <dtantsur> o/
17:48:28 <jlvillal> \o for dinner :)
17:48:36 <krtaylor> o/
17:48:41 <dtantsur> jlvillal, not before they finally land the cross-project spec
17:48:42 <jroll> wanyen: thanks. I'm not sure we'll have time for it at a summit session. I don't know what topics you have for that, maybe best to start on mailing list?
17:48:49 <lucasagomes> jlvillal, if the rest of OS decides on Openstack-* I think so
17:48:55 <jroll> jlvillal: yeah, we should follow API working group guidelines, generally
17:48:58 <jroll> lucasagomes: ++ for dinner
17:49:07 <jlvillal> Okay, sounds like we wait on header changes.
17:49:21 <lucasagomes> ok, and which day would suit most people better?
17:49:39 <lucasagomes> perhaps thursday ? (not sure if there's anything planned on thursday evening)
17:49:41 <dtantsur> Tue and Wed are various parties
17:49:46 <jroll> lucasagomes: tuesday and wed are bad for me
17:49:56 <dtantsur> Thu lgtm (at least for now)
17:49:58 <jroll> monday or thursday or friday should work afaik for me
17:50:05 <mariojv> i vote thursday, since people may have flights friday night or early saturday morning
17:50:07 <krtaylor> Mon or Thurs
17:50:24 <dtantsur> iirc there was a service to vote on day, no?
17:50:28 * jlvillal leaves Friday afternoon
17:50:42 <jroll> dtantsur: doodle
17:50:46 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, doodle or somehting like that
17:50:47 <lucasagomes> yeah
17:50:53 <wanyen> jroll: mainly to see if upstream can have a lighter-weight review process for 3rd-party spec, code and doc. An perhaps allowing vendor to approve their own spec.
17:50:56 * lucasagomes creates a doodle
17:51:08 <dtantsur> thanks!
17:51:09 <jroll> lucasagomes: do you want to organize the dinner? or we could see if BadCub would mind?
17:51:11 <jroll> nice, ty
17:51:16 <betherly> o/ for dinner! sorry my IRC chose to fail sending that message
17:51:25 <jroll> wanyen: that seems like a good topic for the mailing list :)
17:52:00 <wanyen> jroll: ok if we don't have time to discuss that at summit.
17:52:18 <jroll> wanyen: we may have time friday, but let's start the conversation on the ML
17:52:20 <lucasagomes> jroll, if BadCup can do it, it would be better
17:52:26 * lucasagomes is not good organizing anything
17:52:42 <lucasagomes> but if not I can try to see something
17:52:43 <jroll> NobodyCam: ^ mind checking with BadCub
17:52:44 <NobodyCam> badcup? lol
17:52:45 <jroll> WELP
17:52:47 <lucasagomes> LOL
17:52:50 <jroll> LOL
17:52:53 <lucasagomes> BadCub, you have been invoked
17:52:56 <BadCub> what did I do now?
17:52:59 <NobodyCam> lol
17:52:59 <devananda> LOL
17:53:06 <TheJulia> volunteered, don't worry ;)
17:53:20 <BadCub> why hast thou summoned me from my slumber? lol
17:53:24 <jroll> BadCub: lucasagomes is going to send out a doodle about ironic dinner dates; would you mind organizing that beyond the doodle?
17:53:27 <jroll> lol
17:53:35 <NobodyCam> folks seems to love your ablity to plan dinners ... they are asking for your help again
17:53:40 <jroll> hehe
17:53:46 <jlvillal> BadCub: The curse of being good at organizing things... ;)
17:53:47 <jroll> it's his people skills :)
17:54:05 <BadCub> Sure. Just shoot me some ideas and I shall grumble my way around them
17:54:11 <NobodyCam> lol
17:54:26 <jroll> hehe, thanks man
17:54:38 <BadCub> anytime :)
17:54:55 <jroll> 5 minutes left if anyone has something else?
17:55:02 * NobodyCam notes he is petrified of getting lost in toyko
17:55:18 <jroll> lucasagomes: maybe worth putting a "things I refuse to eat" section on that doodle. e.g. dansmith won't eat tentacles.
17:55:19 <BadCub> just know.. BadCub does not do raw food or fish heads. So we gotta find multi-use cuisine
17:55:24 <jroll> I suspect BadCub won't... yeah that
17:55:28 * jlvillal hasn't yet figured out how to get from airport to hotel...
17:55:36 <dansmith> jroll: +1
17:55:41 <lucasagomes> jroll, oh ok... will redo it
17:55:43 <betherly> ditto jlvillal
17:55:45 <BadCub> jl
17:55:47 <NobodyCam> ++
17:55:48 <jroll> jlvillal: I hear "airport limousine bus" is recommended
17:55:50 <BadCub> jlv
17:55:52 <BadCub> ugh
17:55:54 <betherly> i have heard taxis are ludicrously expensive there
17:55:55 <lucasagomes> or people can put in the comments?
17:55:57 <lucasagomes> http://doodle.com/poll/2nqbemmrdd9a5ypd
17:55:57 <dansmith> jlvillal: there is a train
17:55:58 <jroll> BadCub: tab, not enter
17:56:00 <BadCub> why wont it work
17:56:05 <devananda> jlvillal: http://www.rome2rio.com/s/Tokyo-Narita-Airport-NRT/The-Westin-Tokyo-Station  << wont be exactly what you need, but that site is great
17:56:05 <dansmith> jlvillal: costs much less than the limo bus
17:56:08 <BadCub> yes, train.. that is what I was trying to say
17:56:12 <NobodyCam> roflao
17:56:17 <jroll> lucasagomes: yeah that seems fine
17:56:24 <NobodyCam> ++ train
17:56:25 <jroll> lucasagomes: put that on the ML maybe?
17:56:26 <jlvillal> dansmith: devananda and others. Thanks for the tips on transport
17:56:28 * BadCub frowns at empty coffee cup
17:56:31 <lucasagomes> jroll, will do
17:56:31 <dtantsur> I think there's even a direct train there
17:56:49 <jroll> thanks
17:57:12 <NobodyCam> the train stops like acorss the park from the hotel
17:57:28 <NobodyCam> *host hotel
17:58:05 <betherly> thanks for the tips :)
17:59:57 <jroll> alright, I'm gonna wrap this up
18:00:02 <jroll> great meeting, all, thank you!
18:00:04 <lucasagomes> cool thanks all
18:00:05 <betherly> ok thanks all :)
18:00:05 <gabriel> thank you all o/
18:00:07 <jroll> #endmeeting