17:00:08 <jroll> #startmeeting ironic
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17:00:10 <dtantsur> o/
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17:00:10 <jroll> hia ll!
17:00:12 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
17:00:14 <NobodyCam> o/
17:00:15 <jroll> also, hi all!
17:00:17 <[1]rpioso> o/
17:00:20 <sambetts> ohai everybody o//
17:00:24 <yuriyz-1> o/
17:00:24 <lucasagomes> hello
17:00:31 <rloo> o/
17:00:32 <devananda> o/
17:00:34 <jlvillal> o/
17:00:41 <jroll> as always, our agenda is here:
17:00:54 <jroll> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
17:00:57 <jroll> #chair devananda NobodyCam
17:00:58 <openstack> Current chairs: NobodyCam devananda jroll
17:01:14 <jroll> #topic announcements and reminders
17:01:15 <thiagop> o/
17:01:21 <krtaylor> o/
17:01:28 <jroll> as far as I know, our gate is doing great right now
17:01:36 <mgould> o/
17:01:49 <sambetts> \o/
17:01:54 <aarefiev> hi
17:02:03 <NobodyCam> w00t
17:02:06 <jlvillal> It's Alive!
17:02:14 <davidlenwell> o/
17:02:14 <dtantsur> yep
17:02:21 <lucasagomes> yeah, it was broken on thursday last week but was something unrelated to ironic
17:02:21 <jroll> reminder that this week is the final week for client library releases, we need to release our clients this week
17:02:45 <jroll> it's also feature freeze for many other projects, so be mindful of that, and also the gate tends to get backed up on FF week
17:02:56 <d0ugal> o/
17:03:08 <jroll> we'll likely release another ironic soon
17:03:16 <jlvillal> When is feature freeze for openstack/ironic?
17:03:23 <jroll> I don't have a target date, but I'd like to at a minimum finish manual cleaning and RAID things
17:03:33 <mkovacik> o/
17:03:44 <thiagop> jroll: this will be the mitaka intended version?
17:03:56 <dtantsur> also an inspector release will be coming soon, of course
17:04:03 <jroll> we don't do a traditional feature freeze, however we'll likely stop accepting risky code next week
17:04:13 <lucasagomes> we can come back to it on the open topics, but there's a patch for adding support to partition for agent drivers in ironic-lib that would be nice to have in the release
17:04:17 <jroll> thiagop: possibly one more release between that one and feature freeze
17:04:20 <jlvillal> How is it looking for the networking work and mitaka?
17:04:28 <thiagop> jroll: ack
17:04:28 * jlvillal hopes people don't mind him asking...
17:04:40 * lucasagomes +2'd the patch already
17:04:41 <jroll> lucasagomes: non-client library release freeze was last week :/
17:04:49 <lucasagomes> oh :-(
17:04:57 <lucasagomes> ok we missed it... the patch wasn't ready by then anyway
17:05:08 <jroll> jlvillal: let's come to that question in subteam updates
17:05:14 <dtantsur> yeah, we're not supposed to make new feature versions of libraries
17:05:20 <jlvillal> Okay
17:05:22 <dtantsur> (except for clients this week)
17:05:45 <jroll> one more announcement thing from me: I'll be in vegas next monday
17:05:57 <jroll> devananda: mind running the meeting next week?
17:06:26 <thiagop> me thinks of Vegas like "Vega$"
17:06:34 <jroll> :P
17:07:04 <devananda> jroll: not at all
17:07:10 <jroll> awesome, thank you
17:07:15 <jroll> any other announcements/reminders?
17:07:16 <NobodyCam> :)
17:07:38 <jroll> aight, moving on
17:07:48 <jroll> #topic subteam status reports
17:07:52 <jroll> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/IronicWhiteBoard
17:08:03 <jroll> starts on line 106
17:08:39 <cinerama> 
17:08:47 <jroll> dtantsur: \o/ for futurist
17:09:00 <dtantsur> yep :)
17:09:04 <jroll> I'd love some eyes on the RAID patches this week, especially the client
17:09:04 <rloo> ++ dtantsur!
17:09:05 <dtantsur> watch for regressions now :D
17:09:20 <jroll> I think that's the only thing I care about in the client before freeze
17:09:22 <jroll> client is:
17:09:24 <jroll> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226234/
17:10:03 <lucasagomes> ++
17:10:16 <jroll> on the network isolation stuff...
17:10:21 * lucasagomes checked if manual cleaining is already merged in the client (it is)
17:10:30 <jroll> we're pushing hard to finish it in the next couple weeks, the first of two API patches seems good to go
17:10:40 <jroll> the second is being heavily refactored, that's my main goal this week
17:10:51 <jroll> hopefully we can merge those this week or next
17:11:11 <jroll> that said, I wouldn't be incredibly surprised to see this not make it in mitaka (though I would be incredibly sad)
17:11:21 <jroll> so don't go promising anyone it's in mitaka
17:11:41 <jroll> jlvillal: ^ answer your question?
17:11:47 <jlvillal> jroll: Thank you.
17:12:41 <jlvillal> Please let me know if I can be of any help/assistance.
17:12:58 <jroll> reviews would be helpful :)
17:13:04 <jlvillal> Will do!
17:13:15 * jlvillal knows there are already many cooks working on it.
17:14:27 <thiagop> I had a bad time trying to review those patches for lack of experience, but will try again
17:16:58 <jroll> anything else on subteam reports?
17:17:22 <jroll> alright, moving on
17:17:33 <jroll> #topic How much summit space do we need/want?
17:17:55 <jroll> this is really for the next cycle's PTL, but early planning and all
17:18:04 <jroll> thierry needs an idea of how much summit space we want
17:18:04 <NobodyCam> jroll: will we be sharing sessions with other groups like neutron?
17:18:26 <dtantsur> we need at least some place for this crazy chassis management/CMDB integration discussion
17:18:29 <jlvillal> What are the options? I would think at least as much as Tokyo.
17:18:44 <dtantsur> ++ for at least Tokyo
17:18:45 <jroll> same format as last time: there are fishbowl rooms, smaller work rooms, and friday half day contributor meetups
17:18:51 <jroll> in tokyo we had 4/4/1
17:19:13 <dtantsur> contributor meetup is mostly useless IMO...
17:19:14 <lucasagomes> yeah tokyo and vancouver were good
17:19:23 <jroll> NobodyCam: we don't know yet, but we hope to have one with neutron and nova about network things
17:19:39 <jlvillal> I just remember the joint with infra seemed crowded.
17:19:42 <rloo> i found tokyo's fri half day meet up not great cuz we had to share the room.
17:19:43 <NobodyCam> ++
17:19:50 <jroll> yes, I would like to have our own room friday
17:19:57 <lucasagomes> rloo, indeed
17:19:59 <dtantsur> Tokyo good be better if we have priority planning as a proper session, not some private one in the hall
17:20:14 <jroll> otherwise I think 4 fishbowl and 4 workrooms is probably okay
17:20:35 <rloo> dtantsur: it wasn't 'private'; we had split into groups, just couldn't find a place to discuss :(
17:20:38 <jlvillal> Is each one of those for 1 hour (approximately)?
17:20:57 <jroll> I believe they are the standard 40 minutes, as before
17:21:05 <dtantsur> rloo, well, that what I call private :) in a sense it wasn't part of a schedule essentially. we just left the place where we were supposed to be
17:22:02 <rloo> dtantsur: (more like disorganized or whatever, it wasn't meant to exclude folks.)
17:22:12 <sambetts> yeah the session in the hall way on the floor should become a real session
17:22:27 <dtantsur> it wasn't meant, but it probably did exclude people who were unable to find us..
17:22:40 <NobodyCam> ++
17:22:44 <lucasagomes> dtantsur, there was other ironic folks in the room AFAIR
17:22:45 <jroll> yep
17:22:56 <lucasagomes> but yeah, I hope the venue in Austin will be bigger than the one in Tokyo
17:22:58 <lucasagomes> the rooms at least
17:23:09 <davidlenwell> everything is bigger in texas
17:23:16 <TheJulia> at least we hoppe
17:23:21 <TheJulia> s/hoppe/hope/
17:23:23 <rloo> dtantsur: ack. which is also why it is important (and good) that jroll posted email about the priorities.
17:23:25 <NobodyCam> vancouver was vey nice in /my book
17:23:32 <lucasagomes> the hotel rooms at least will be at least 10x bigger :-)
17:23:34 <jroll> heh
17:23:34 <krtaylor> the convention center is huge, think vancouver
17:23:35 <rloo> ++ vancouver :)
17:23:40 <devananda> fridays are always difficult at summits. some folks are leaving, and everyone's tired by that point
17:23:46 <davidlenwell> the rooms in vancouver were too small
17:23:51 <rloo> will chairs be 10x bigger too? :D
17:24:03 <jroll> if we have to share a room friday, I'm moving our friday session to where you stand in line for franklin's
17:24:16 <rloo> so last session/whatever (before Fri) for priorities?
17:24:22 <krtaylor> ++
17:24:23 <NobodyCam> jroll: +++
17:24:24 <jroll> maybe
17:24:27 <devananda> jroll: I dont even know what franklin's is, but I approve
17:24:29 <jroll> let's not plan sessions right now
17:24:33 <krtaylor> BBQ
17:24:36 <jroll> devananda: THE barbecue place in austin
17:24:41 <jlvillal> https://franklinbarbecue.com/
17:24:58 <devananda> nice
17:25:05 <rloo> so assuming we get our own room on Fri, do we want it, and for 1/2 day only?
17:25:15 <jroll> anyway, does anyone disagree with 4/4/1 again?
17:25:26 <jroll> rloo: yes, I think so - maybe only if we get it in the morning?
17:25:37 <jroll> everyone is braindead/gone by friday afternoon
17:25:41 <jlvillal> Sounds reasonable to me. Try not to plan anything too important for Friday if possible.
17:25:44 <rloo> jroll: yup, AM only.
17:25:49 <NobodyCam> I think 4/4/1 is good
17:25:53 <lucasagomes> jroll, seems ok to me
17:26:01 <rloo> +1 for 4/4/1
17:26:02 <devananda> jroll: relative to tokyo, is there overall more or less slots available?
17:26:32 <sambetts> jroll, dtantsur: I think it would be good to get some space for inspector fishbowl stuff too WDYT?
17:26:43 * jlvillal is getting a little excited hearing about the summit :)
17:26:45 <jroll> devananda: it's unclear
17:26:54 <devananda> jroll: and do you want to give a dedicated slot to subprojects like inspector, bifrost, etc?
17:26:55 <dtantsur> sambetts, I'd love too.. at least in form of "other projects" track (we, bifrost, UI)
17:27:01 <mgould> n00b question: what do you mean by "fishbowl"?
17:27:08 <jroll> devananda: yeah, that's a great question
17:27:15 <devananda> jroll: both of those will affect my opinion on it
17:27:16 <NobodyCam> mgould: large room
17:27:26 <mgould> NobodyCam, thanks
17:27:31 <jroll> mgould: fishbowls are larger rooms, maybe 50-60 people, and workrooms are 20-30
17:27:45 <jroll> also arranged differently, theater-style vs a large table
17:27:53 <dtantsur> jroll, late +1 to Fri only if in the morning
17:27:53 <lucasagomes> mgould, yeah and usually we discuss 1 specific issue in that fishbowl session
17:27:58 * dtantsur is leaving on Fri evening FWIW
17:28:01 <sambetts> dtantsur: yeah +1
17:28:04 <jroll> dtantsur: ditto
17:28:09 <sambetts> dtantsur: same
17:28:30 <devananda> while 4/4/1 was good, I wish we could have had 2 more workroom slots in vancouver and tokyo, but the summit is a balancing act with all the other projects
17:28:39 <devananda> specifically for subprojects
17:28:42 <jroll> dtantsur: TheJulia: do either of you want a dedicated slot? I think yes for inspector, unsure for bifrost. should those be a fishbowl or workroom?
17:28:57 <mgould> jroll, lucasagomes: thanks
17:29:14 <NobodyCam> devananda: 4/4/1 + shared session with neutron and nova == 6/4/1?
17:29:25 <TheJulia> jroll: I don't think bifrost needs a dedicated slot, a lot of the related discussion happens async or as a clustering of "lets step away so we don't interrupt these other people"
17:29:38 <dtantsur> jroll, I don't have agenda in mind, but I guess fishbowls are more rare, and we'll be fine with a workroom
17:29:39 <devananda> TheJulia: that sounds like a "yes"
17:29:41 <cinerama> just generally, for the larger sessions, if we have mics, it would be great if we can use them...can be difficult to hear up the back
17:29:54 <TheJulia> devananda: but in a very ad-hoc nature, so might be useful
17:29:56 <jroll> cinerama: I try to yell at people when we don't :)
17:30:26 <dtantsur> TheJulia, ditto for us, but I think we could go over a number of quick questions/updates (like discovery)
17:30:30 <jroll> NobodyCam: my thought is that the shared session will be one session with ironic/nova/neutron
17:30:35 <TheJulia> dtantsur: ++
17:30:39 <devananda> TheJulia: you've had only adhoc discussions before, sure -- do you think there is enough contributor interest, and specifically is there a contentions or important _thing_ you need to get together and address?
17:30:55 <jroll> NobodyCam: because there's a bunch of complex stuff we want to do, and we want to get everyone to agree on it
17:30:56 <NobodyCam> jroll: ahh :) I miss read
17:31:20 <TheJulia> devananda: Honestly, I don't think there are any real contentious or important things.  Largely the bulk of that gets hashed out in the larger group and bifrost just consumes
17:31:22 <jroll> NobodyCam: those can take one of the four, though, or we could maybe cannibalize a neutron or nova slot
17:31:23 <jlvillal> TheJulia: I think a lot of people are interested in Bifrost. I'm interested :)
17:31:44 <TheJulia> jlvillal: naturally, I will defer to what the community desires :)
17:31:51 <jroll> I mean, just "interested people" doesn't need a summit session; you need something to talk about :)
17:31:59 <devananda> jroll: indeed
17:32:03 <jlvillal> TheJulia: Of course they maybe like me and just want to get more tips/tricks on how to use it :)
17:32:13 * NobodyCam thinks there should be seperate pool of cross project sessions
17:32:19 <devananda> jlvillal, TheJulia: that sounds more like a BoF session, tbh
17:32:22 <jroll> NobodyCam: there was last year :)
17:32:26 <dtantsur> jroll, for inspector I would at least have a priority planning; also going through stale RFE's.. also we have one topic that still hangs since last summit...
17:32:33 <dtantsur> heh, looks like enough :)
17:32:34 <devananda> "lets get together and chat about $project" ==> BoF
17:32:47 <dtantsur> sambetts, I'm referring to this virtual media thing..
17:32:52 <NobodyCam> :)
17:33:04 <sambetts> dtantsur: yup it would be good to go through that
17:33:04 <jroll> dtantsur: okay cool
17:33:09 <jlvillal> A BoF on Bifrost is something I would attend (providing no conflicts).
17:33:51 <jroll> maybe I'll request 5/5/1 and we can go from there
17:34:09 <jroll> I would like a session on the future of inspection, how we might make it more of a first-class thing in ironic
17:34:17 <jroll> and/or the CMDB integration pieces
17:34:19 <NobodyCam> jroll: sounds safe. and ++
17:34:40 <devananda> jroll: I thought we weren't discussing specific topics right now :)
17:34:52 <jroll> hehe
17:35:02 <sambetts> jroll, dtantsur: ironic/inspector cross project sess
17:35:08 <jroll> just saying there's enough topics on inspection to justify at least one session
17:35:10 <jroll> ya
17:35:14 <devananda> jroll: definitely agree
17:35:19 <devananda> dedicated session for inspector +1
17:35:21 <lucasagomes> jroll, indeed
17:35:30 <sambetts> \o/
17:35:36 <jroll> alright, cool, I think we have enough feedback here
17:35:45 <jroll> I'll email thierry and we'll see where it goes from there
17:35:52 <jroll> anything else on this topic, or open discussion time?
17:36:08 <devananda> NobodyCam: fwiw, there is a separate pool for truly cross-project sessions (where cross-project means "affects 3 or more")
17:36:35 <NobodyCam> ironic/nova/neutron == 3 :):p
17:36:38 <devananda> NobodyCam: things like "what DLM should we support" go in the cross-project day
17:36:53 <NobodyCam> devananda: oh very good topic
17:36:58 <lucasagomes> ++
17:37:01 <devananda> but specific integrations between projects (ie, ironic/cinder, ironic/nova/neutron) are expected to be worked out between those projects
17:37:09 <devananda> just FYI ....
17:38:22 <devananda> jroll: I think we can go to open discussion, and if there's any more on ^ that folks want to talk about, that's fine
17:38:45 <jroll> yep
17:38:49 <jroll> #topic open discussion
17:38:59 * jroll has nothing right now
17:39:48 <NobodyCam> wow nothing for OD?
17:39:58 * jroll assumes someone is typing a short novel
17:40:04 <jroll> I'll give it a couple minutes
17:40:16 <d0ugal> lol
17:40:17 * TheJulia reserves novels for emails
17:40:20 <NobodyCam> we are close to summit :0
17:40:21 <mkovacik> evergreens ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/253675/
17:40:29 <jroll> man I left franklins website open in my browser and I've flipped back to a giant brisket picture three times now
17:40:34 * jroll suddenly drooling
17:40:44 <NobodyCam> mmmmm
17:40:48 <lucasagomes> there's a patch for devstack-gate that will allow us to run ipmitool drivers in gate
17:40:54 <lucasagomes> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/284036/
17:41:09 * BadCub has been compiling a list of best BBQ houses in/around Austin
17:41:22 <lucasagomes> if you guys feel like reviewing it or helping me get core people to tkae a look at it I will be very thankful :-)
17:41:32 <thiagop> BadCub: folks around here are too
17:41:33 <jroll> BadCub: black's better be on the list, it's 30-60 minute drive though
17:41:39 * TheJulia can attest to BadCub's obsession with BBQ and the fact that he has been talking about it since... Vancouver
17:41:57 <BadCub> Blacks IS on the list.
17:41:58 <NobodyCam> lol
17:42:03 <NobodyCam> mmmm
17:42:06 <lucasagomes> BadCub, hah nice
17:42:12 * NobodyCam wants bbq now!
17:42:20 <lucasagomes> so we are having the ironic night-out in a bbq place?
17:42:22 <jroll> lucasagomes: you might ping sdague or infra folks directly
17:42:27 * jlvillal will get coffee after the meeting :P
17:42:38 <lucasagomes> jroll, tried today, but no dice :-(
17:42:46 <BadCub> TheJulia I would say less of an obsession than a strong appreciation
17:43:02 <lucasagomes> I will keep pinging the -infra, -qa channel
17:43:03 <thiagop> lucasagomes: ++
17:43:05 <jroll> hrm
17:43:48 <jroll> devananda: BadCub: we should talk about a group dinner one night
17:43:55 <jlvillal> +2
17:44:03 <BadCub> jroll: Indeed
17:44:04 <NobodyCam> +2
17:44:05 <jlvillal> Start planning early :)
17:44:14 <jlvillal> Before the places get booked up.
17:44:19 <BadCub> yep!
17:44:41 <rloo> places and other evening events
17:44:47 <krtaylor> there are some really good restaurants close to the convention center
17:44:50 <davidlenwell> and I thought I gained weight durring the paris summit
17:45:20 <devananda> davidlenwell: s/paris/every/ ...
17:45:29 <davidlenwell> touche
17:45:35 <jroll> heh
17:45:44 * BadCub will be in a BBQ induced meat coma before he leaves Austin
17:46:01 <NobodyCam> ++ for bbq coma
17:46:22 <devananda> BadCub: I will cheer you on in your pursuit of meatcoma
17:46:33 <krtaylor> may have to roadtrip to lockhart :)
17:46:34 <davidlenwell> I'll be racing him to the finish
17:46:40 <TheJulia> lol
17:46:42 <BadCub> devananda: ++ I'll need a cheering section!
17:46:43 <jroll> heh
17:47:02 * BadCub may even enter an eating contest or two, if there are any floating about
17:47:20 * TheJulia just shakes her head
17:47:22 <NobodyCam> lol
17:47:56 <davidlenwell> @BadCub we can just have one everywhere we go ;)
17:48:18 <NobodyCam> http://www.onlyinyourstate.com/texas/tx-food-challenges/
17:48:30 <BadCub> davidlenwell: nice!
17:49:07 <jroll> alright so it's safe to say we're done here
17:49:07 <lucasagomes> NobodyCam, hah nice
17:49:10 <BadCub> WOOHOO... Food Challenges. I see the scales begging for death after this summit
17:49:13 <jroll> we can talk about meat in the ironic channel
17:49:42 <NobodyCam> jroll: I think we have digressed from any real meeting topic
17:49:48 <NobodyCam> at this point
17:50:07 <jroll> idk, seems like a meating topic to me
17:50:09 <jroll> :D
17:50:13 <NobodyCam> lol
17:50:14 <jroll> thanks for coming everyone :)
17:50:17 <jroll> #endmeeting