16:00:00 <iurygregory> #startmeeting ironic
16:00:00 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Mon Mar 21 16:00:00 2022 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is iurygregory. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:00:00 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
16:00:22 <iurygregory> Hello everyone o/ welcome to our weekly meeting!
16:00:33 <rpioso> o/
16:00:36 <rpittau> o/
16:00:43 <kamlesh6808c> o/
16:01:08 <iurygregory> you can find the agenda for the meeting in the wiki
16:01:10 <iurygregory> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic#Agenda_for_next_meeting
16:01:20 <ajya> o/
16:01:44 <arne_wiebalck> o/
16:02:18 <iurygregory> #topic Announcements / Reminder
16:02:47 <iurygregory> #info We will be cutting stable/yoga for ironic and ipa during this week (i.e till Wed)
16:03:04 <rpittau> \o/
16:03:11 <iurygregory> I'm checking the final things for ironic (releasenotes/ mappings)
16:03:21 <iurygregory> will push a patch latter today
16:03:51 <iurygregory> #info Ironic Sessions - Zed PTG April 4 (16:00-17:00 & 21:00 22:00) April 5,6,7 (14:00-17:00 & 21:00 22:00)
16:04:17 <iurygregory> we have the slots for our PTG sessions \o/
16:04:35 <iurygregory> #info Please add topics for our PTG etherpad \o/
16:04:42 <iurygregory> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/ironic-zed-ptg
16:05:14 <rpittau> iurygregory: I thought we had 2 hours on monday
16:05:34 <iurygregory> rpittau, we do (16-17 & 21-22)
16:05:44 <rpittau> I mean, 3 hours "EU friendly" :)
16:05:52 <rpittau> gah, noep, 2 hours EU friendly
16:06:17 * iurygregory double checks info from last meeting...
16:06:29 <arne_wiebalck> I think this was to minimise the clash with the TC/project meeting, no?
16:06:31 <iurygregory> we went for option A from what I remember =)
16:06:36 <rpittau> ah yeah, my bad
16:06:53 <rpittau> yep, all good
16:06:55 <rpittau> thanks
16:06:58 <iurygregory> yeah, on monday there is a TC+project meeting from 14 to 16 =)
16:07:01 <iurygregory> np!
16:07:58 <iurygregory> Feel free to add topics to our etherpad so I can provide the schedule o/
16:08:35 <iurygregory> ok, that's all I have for announcements/reminder, does anyone have anything else to add?
16:08:57 <rpittau> friendly reminder:
16:08:57 <rpittau> we're moving the meeting 1 hour earlier starting next week
16:09:09 <rpittau> to adjust to time change
16:09:22 <iurygregory> right!
16:09:52 <rpittau> I'm going to send a message to the ML too
16:09:55 <iurygregory> #info starting next week our weekly meetings will be at 15 UTC
16:10:08 <iurygregory> rpittau ++ tks!
16:10:11 <rpittau> np :)
16:10:48 <iurygregory> #topic Review action items from previous meeting
16:11:04 <iurygregory> skipping, we don't have any action items
16:11:15 <iurygregory> #topic Review subteam status reports
16:12:20 <iurygregory> should we skip since we are in the release week? thoughts?
16:13:27 <iurygregory> *crinkets*
16:14:07 <rpittau> I geuss we can skip
16:14:22 <TheJulia> o/
16:14:33 <TheJulia> sorry, got pulled away due to contractors
16:14:43 <TheJulia> +1 skipping
16:14:50 <iurygregory> ok, moving on
16:15:02 <iurygregory> #topic Deciding on priorities for the coming week
16:15:16 <iurygregory> #link https://review.opendev.org/q/status:open+hashtag:ironic-week-prio
16:15:58 <iurygregory> rpittau, I see you added https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic-python-agent-builder/+/776507
16:16:17 <rpittau> yeah, that's the only addition from me
16:16:23 <rpittau> kind of quick review
16:16:27 <iurygregory> if we want to have in yoga we should -1 https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/releases/+/833609
16:16:41 <rpittau> would be nice, but up to you
16:16:55 <TheJulia> is it a must have?
16:17:13 <rpittau> not really, it's just there since a while, likely since wallaby :D
16:17:22 <iurygregory> woot?!
16:17:25 <iurygregory> wow
16:17:53 <rpittau> yep, they changed compilation options and it took me some time to figure how the new one as it's not documented
16:18:05 <iurygregory> updating qemu is a good thing I would say, I have no problem in adding -1 for the release
16:18:51 <rpittau> sounds good, it should merge quickly after approval anyway
16:19:56 <iurygregory> yeah, I will review after the meeting
16:20:00 <arne_wiebalck> what about the items on the weekly prio list with no update in 3+ months, should they be removed or is there a reason to keep them?
16:20:24 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, we can remove them I would say
16:21:06 <iurygregory> ironic-cores can remove hashtags from any patches
16:22:10 <TheJulia> well that was fun
16:22:15 <TheJulia> they just accidently shut off my power
16:22:23 <iurygregory> if anyone has an urgent patch for ironic/ipa let us know since we will be cutting the release
16:22:27 <iurygregory> TheJulia, wow O.o
16:22:49 <TheJulia> I would just merge it and not try to force it into the release
16:22:54 <TheJulia> no reason since it is disjointed
16:23:02 <TheJulia> but good to just get it merged
16:24:27 <iurygregory> ok, I will double check if they are ok or not with that
16:25:37 <iurygregory> #topic Discussion
16:25:53 <iurygregory> do we have something we would like to discuss?
16:26:10 <TheJulia> is this open discussion too?
16:26:34 <iurygregory> can be, since we don't have a huge agenda :D
16:26:45 <iurygregory> or I can move to open discussion in a few
16:26:56 <TheJulia> eh, it can wait until open then
16:27:01 <arne_wiebalck> we could discuss the difference between discussion and open discussion
16:27:09 <TheJulia> that is a possibility too
16:27:34 <TheJulia> I've often pondering removing the distinction since open was more "anyone have anything" and discussion was more oriented to agenda items.
16:28:29 <iurygregory> yeah, based on the wiki Open discussion is more for patch discussions
16:28:29 <TheJulia> So I'm curious if there are wants/needs w/r/t the ptg etherpad that we're not capturing really well. I guess part of the conundrum of having events which have become so disjointed is ops feedback loop kind of becomes opaque.
16:30:16 <iurygregory> having ops feedback would definitely be a good thing
16:34:53 <arne_wiebalck> in addition to direct ops feedback (which we know is hard to get, and only finds our way when we reach out directly) what about client/customer/deployment feedback which is accesible/relevant for the community? or from other communities like metal3?
16:35:06 <arne_wiebalck> *accessible
16:35:57 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, sounds like a good thing
16:36:18 <TheJulia> arne_wiebalck: reasonable. It is *kind* of hard for me to talk on behalf of customers, but at the same time the addition of the power utilization related items is driven by customer feedback/desire I've received
16:37:36 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: this is what I was thinking, recurring themes/issues ... not sure how that works if that is coming from customers, i.e. how much of this *can* be passed on
16:39:23 <TheJulia> yeah, it is "difficult"
16:40:06 <iurygregory> one interesting thing, I think the Cinder team was doing some ops survey
16:40:16 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: another approach is to directly ask for areas, e.g. the use of Redfish: how much is that used, and for what? are there missing features?
16:40:33 <TheJulia> iurygregory: some sort of ops centered feedback form might be a good way to go
16:40:45 <iurygregory> yeah
16:41:43 <arne_wiebalck> Redfish: how much are immature/varying implementations an issue?
16:42:17 * arne_wiebalck is maybe biased by his "three nodes/three issues" experience
16:42:31 <TheJulia> I guess that makes a lot of sense to somehow capture
16:42:48 <TheJulia> but I'm not sure much is really actionable... aside from shaming vendors.. *whistles innocently*
16:42:57 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: yeah
16:43:46 <iurygregory> who would be interested in helping to create the ops form for feedback?
16:43:48 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: but from what I see atm, it is ok/working for simple things, but as soon as you go a little further ...
16:45:05 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: any details on the cinder ops survey, or is this cinder only?
16:45:36 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, I will try to find the email =)
16:46:02 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: there is also a tc activity on analysing the user survey I believe
16:46:10 <iurygregory> we can also check this async outside of the meeting
16:46:15 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: ++
16:46:42 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, yeah, but we can't ask a lot of things in the user survey (if I remember correctly)
16:46:53 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: ok
16:46:56 <TheJulia> afaik it was cinder only
16:47:40 <arne_wiebalck> well, we could try to put some question together and send it out, the worst thing which could happen is that we get little feedback :)
16:47:44 <iurygregory> "[ops][cinder] reminder: resource count survey - win fabulous prizes!"
16:47:47 <iurygregory> :D
16:48:38 <iurygregory> http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2022-March/027660.html
16:48:47 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: thanks
16:48:53 <iurygregory> np
16:49:07 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: if we want to do sth for the PTG, it is high time :-D
16:49:18 <TheJulia> ++ who wants to start an etherpad?
16:49:18 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, yeah
16:49:41 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: to collect questions?
16:49:56 <TheJulia> yes
16:50:07 <arne_wiebalck> I can do it.
16:50:14 <TheJulia> say a couple days to collect questions, and then we create a poll or form someplace
16:50:18 <arne_wiebalck> fits to the SIG work, I guees
16:50:21 <arne_wiebalck> *guess
16:50:30 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: sounds good
16:50:32 <iurygregory> tks arne_wiebalck !
16:50:44 * arne_wiebalck gets his first action item ever on the Ironic meeting :)
16:51:13 <iurygregory> arne_wiebalck, you want me to add the action item? :D
16:51:19 <TheJulia> \o/
16:51:40 <arne_wiebalck> iurygregory: no, jk
16:51:51 <iurygregory> I was about to hit enter =P
16:52:28 <iurygregory> ok I think we can go to the sig topic now
16:52:49 <iurygregory> #topic Baremetal SIG
16:53:39 <arne_wiebalck> should the SIG request a forum session (when time comes)?
16:54:10 <arne_wiebalck> I guess SIGs do not get one automatically
16:54:17 <iurygregory> sounds interesting, I'm not against  =)
16:54:39 <iurygregory> you mean at the OIS right?
16:54:44 <arne_wiebalck> yes
16:54:48 <TheJulia> +1 to requesting a forum session
16:54:53 <TheJulia> that is likely prime feedback time for us
16:55:22 <arne_wiebalck> summarise activities, get feedback, hire speakers, ... :)
16:55:26 <arne_wiebalck> TheJulia: right
16:55:53 <arne_wiebalck> I *think* I have seen sth fly by about forums ...
16:56:02 <arne_wiebalck> ... or maybe not :)
16:56:24 <iurygregory> I think I saw an email about forum sessions
16:56:39 <arne_wiebalck> anyway, I can follow up
16:56:45 <arne_wiebalck> that is it for the SIG I think
16:56:50 <iurygregory> tks!
16:57:21 <iurygregory> skipping RFE since we don't have any on the list
16:57:44 <iurygregory> I will merge Open discussion / Discussion into one topic in our wiki =)
16:58:19 <iurygregory> #topic Who is going to run the next meeting?
16:58:23 <iurygregory> Do we have any volunteers?
16:59:07 <iurygregory> I will run the next meeting o/
16:59:10 <iurygregory> Tks everyone!
16:59:19 <arne_wiebalck> thanks iurygregory !
16:59:23 <rpittau> thanks!
16:59:26 <iurygregory> #endmeeting