15:00:15 <JayF> #startmeeting ironic
15:00:15 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Mon May  4 15:00:15 2026 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is JayF. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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15:00:15 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic'
15:00:22 <JayF> Good morning Ironic'ers, time for our Monday meeting. Who's here?
15:00:41 <JayF> As usual we operate the meeting under the OpenInfra CoC
15:01:37 <TheJulia> o/
15:02:40 <dtantsur> o/
15:02:51 <JayF> Tw^W Three does not a quorum make. Is May 4 a holiday somehwere?
15:03:07 <TheJulia> yes, Much of the EU AFAIK
15:03:12 <dtantsur> May 1 was
15:03:25 <TheJulia> or.. was that Ireland only that is May 4th?
15:03:31 <dtantsur> likely
15:04:16 <JayF> We have a beefy enough meeting agenda that I'm skeptical of the value of running through it if we don't have quorum.
15:04:21 <JayF> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic
15:04:52 <TheJulia> I know cardoe has interest in the first discussion topic and we should attempt to unwedge our state of being
15:05:20 <JayF> My suggestion is to cancel the meeting if it's just us three.
15:05:51 <TheJulia> cardoe: likely time to eradicate that "ovs is the path" text, fwiw
15:07:29 <JayF> Does that count as an official vote with one "yes" an "I need coffee", and an abstention? lol
15:07:49 <TheJulia> maybe?
15:07:51 * TheJulia dreads taht
15:07:52 <TheJulia> that
15:08:00 <clif> o/ sorry im late
15:08:06 <TheJulia> Am I the one who always needs coffee?
15:08:10 <clif> I do
15:08:31 <JayF> TheJulia: I just didn't charge dtantsur with needing coffee since he's not in a TZ currently experiencing AM
15:08:58 <dtantsur> heh
15:09:04 <dtantsur> yeah, 5pm is not great for more coffee
15:09:15 <JayF> #note There are 4 contributors at the meeting, this does not meet quorum and so the primary agenda items will not be discussed.
15:09:29 <JayF> #topic Announcements/Reminders
15:09:44 <JayF> Please review code hashtagged with "ironic-week-prio" and hashtag your changes that are ready for review.
15:10:03 <JayF> Also, it's R-21 in the release cycle. Do you know where your Hibiscus tea is?
15:10:30 <JayF> Skipping Working Group Updates, Discussion Topics, and new bugs as we do not have quorum.
15:11:20 <JayF> There are 14 new bugs on the agenda (!) thanks cid for deputying.
15:11:38 <JayF> I assume he will continue as deputy unless we have another volunteer.
15:11:48 <JayF> #topic Open Discussion
15:12:15 <JayF> Is there anything we need to discuss in this quorum-less meeting that cannot wait until next week? I see several things on the agenda about broken CI, but I think that's being worked separately
15:12:34 <TheJulia> its dead in the water until we reach some level of consensus
15:12:37 * cardoe waves.
15:12:41 <TheJulia> hi cardoe!
15:12:45 <JayF> TheJulia: can we be more specific?
15:12:45 * TheJulia gives cardoe coffee
15:12:50 <TheJulia> sure
15:13:01 <cardoe> coffee good
15:13:10 <TheJulia> so, our CI is dead in the water right now because x86_64 kernels when uploaded as raw artifacts, now get blocked form glance due to a change landing
15:13:27 <cardoe> UK has "Early May Bank Holiday" aka we wanted May the Forth Be With You off of work.
15:13:29 <TheJulia> dan smith believe we can just use the aki/ari path and they should still upload
15:13:43 <TheJulia> cardoe: how very starwars of them ;()
15:13:47 <TheJulia> err ;)
15:13:49 * TheJulia can't type today
15:13:55 <JayF> Wasn't aki/ari specifically what we were told to *not* use?
15:13:57 <TheJulia> anyway, back to glance
15:14:04 <TheJulia> JayF: yup, yeah
15:14:23 <JayF> is there a reason the answer isn't "revert the change in Glance until a conversation happens"?
15:14:25 <cardoe> So this is just a band aid?
15:14:29 <TheJulia> JayF: it seems like it was miscommunication, we can unwedge by taking one of the following three paths
15:14:41 <JayF> Because it's 100% unacceptable for us to document to users to lie about the type of image they are using
15:15:43 <TheJulia> 1) Just set the config to permit it and document it and move on. Not great for operators. 2) Try and revert it out, but it sounds like they are intending to make raw unusable for us. 3) Try ari/aki again which previously broke I believe. :\ 4) Question why use glance for kernel/ramdisk artifacts to boot hosts.
15:15:54 <TheJulia> so, 3^H4 possible paths
15:16:04 <JayF> 2 is the short term path
15:16:20 <JayF> and I will lean on gouthamr and the TC to have that service land such a revert given they blatantly broke us
15:16:20 <TheJulia> I think they will refuse the revert since they intend on adding more blocks on use of "raw"
15:16:42 <JayF> We are a single community at the base of it, and landing software that completely bricks another project is unacceptable
15:17:50 <TheJulia> To be clear, it doesn't completely brick is. It just bricks our CI, and sets us up for a world of hurt perception wise regardless
15:18:03 <JayF> it *does* brick us, from an operator perpspective
15:18:08 <TheJulia> fair
15:18:09 <JayF> if they used master glance, and pulled this change in
15:18:14 <JayF> they just got f*in bricked
15:18:25 <TheJulia> dead in the water unless they go change the glance config
15:19:36 <JayF> sadl;
15:19:44 <JayF> I'm so annoyed by gerrit revert UI right now
15:19:46 <JayF> going to do it manually
15:20:18 <JayF> AFAICT it's impossible to do it in such a way that gerrit is OK with it, even a manual DCO got kicked out for no DCO
15:20:52 <TheJulia> eww :(
15:21:11 <opendevreview> Dmitry Tantsur proposed openstack/ironic master: Trivial: debug_tracebacks_in_api=True for unit tests  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/987184
15:21:19 <opendevreview> Julia Kreger proposed openstack/ironic master: Update admin doc on ovn networking  https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/ironic/+/987185
15:21:40 <TheJulia> JayF: regarding the ovn discussion, hopefully ^ makes things a bit more clear
15:22:59 <JayF> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/glance/+/987186 Revert "Remove default to relaxed MBR safety checks" [NEW]
15:24:18 <JayF> Aight, we still are technically in the meeting.
15:24:22 <JayF> Anything else beofre I close it?
15:24:39 <cardoe> Not from me. I'm gonna try and highlight some ironic/nova rubs
15:24:47 <cardoe> So if you have any specific ones call them out
15:25:01 <JayF> Please do the legwork for the Nova/Ironic working group
15:25:02 <TheJulia> heh
15:25:10 <JayF> and use that as the mechanism for this grievancing lol
15:26:13 <JayF> Thanks for the 4 people who showed up, extra thanks to the 3 on time. We'll hopefully have a real meeting next week o/
15:26:14 <JayF> #endmeeting