16:00:41 <Sukhdev> #startmeeting ironic_neutron 16:00:41 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Apr 11 16:00:41 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:43 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:45 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' 16:01:05 <Sukhdev> #topic: Agenda 16:01:11 <Sukhdev> #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_April_11.2C_2016 16:01:23 <Sukhdev> #topic: Announcements 16:01:43 <Sukhdev> Folks Mitaka is out and Newton is open for business 16:02:02 <Sukhdev> We have one more meeting before we all head out to summit 16:02:11 <jroll> morning 16:02:15 <sambetts> o/ 16:02:18 <Sukhdev> jroll : GM 16:02:44 <Sukhdev> we discussed about 4 patches last week 16:03:04 <Sukhdev> I reviewed them over the weekend - they look good 16:03:30 <Sukhdev> any chance we can get them some core love and get them merged within April? 16:04:11 <Sukhdev> devananda : you have been busy testing them as well - any thoughts? 16:04:32 <devananda> Sukhdev: I've found a few issues with the network driver patch, and posted comments last week 16:04:41 <devananda> I see there are new patches up, which I need to retest this week 16:05:12 <Sukhdev> devananda: I will try to give them a spin as well 16:06:12 <devananda> as far as the hardware tests I've been doing - the environment is up but some kinks are still being worked out with our deployment. I'm hoping by EOW, and no later than the summit, we'll have some significant testing done against it 16:06:55 <Sukhdev> devananda : that will really nice 16:07:15 <Sukhdev> devananda: are you testing with OVN? 16:08:37 <Sukhdev> anybody else is testing these patches as well? 16:09:17 * sambetts hasn't had a chance to rebase his out of driver driver since the network interface to driver change 16:09:32 <sambetts> out of tree 16:10:19 <devananda> Sukhdev: yes, with OVN 16:10:24 <Sukhdev> sambetts : I am also in the same dilemma - my setup is running 2-3 weeks old pathes 16:11:04 <Sukhdev> devananda : cool - so, the neutron-ironic interface is working just fine for you 16:11:58 <Sukhdev> sambetts : I am thinking about updating my setup with latest patches 16:12:13 <devananda> unsure - we were at that point in the build last week, and I haven't sync with the team yet today 16:12:46 * jroll bbiaf 16:13:09 <Sukhdev> devananda: ah I see - if you need any help, feel free to ping me 16:13:21 <sambetts> I think its in a fairly stable state now, its probably at a point where I can confidently rebase my interface and not have to worry about having to drastically change it again 16:13:55 <vdrok> yep, updates during the last 2 weeks were mostly unittests 16:13:55 <Sukhdev> :-) 16:14:14 <devananda> sambetts: well, there's one major issue in it 16:14:42 <devananda> I left feedback on p31 16:15:00 <devananda> * on review 285852 patch 31 16:15:15 * Sukhdev looking 16:15:20 <devananda> two issues: 16:15:39 <devananda> - network drivers are loaded at instantiation of the Node object, but should be loaded when the Conductor starts 16:15:59 <devananda> - upgrade path requires a CONF change, and not doing so breaks ironic-conductor silently 16:17:00 <sambetts> First issue solved by ensuring that enabled_network_drivers is processed at conductor start 16:17:05 <sambetts> right? 16:17:44 <devananda> yes, except the new interface isn't loaded there 16:17:50 <devananda> so it may take some refactoring - -I'm not sure 16:17:54 <sambetts> second by having a check in the init for the network drivers if cleaning is enabled: ensure conf is there 16:19:25 <devananda> if enabled_network_drivers were instantiated within CondctorManager.__init__, that would address the first one 16:19:44 <devananda> it would also cause the second one to result in an error message and Condcutor's refusal to start today 16:19:52 <devananda> which would be better than a silent failure, but also, I htink the wrong solution 16:20:08 <devananda> I'd like to ask -- do we actually need to define the cleaning_network_uuid for the FlatNetworkDriver ? 16:21:07 <sambetts> devananda: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/36/ironic/drivers/modules/network/flat.py its needed for add_cleaning_network 16:21:16 <Sukhdev> devananda : hasn't this been the case before? 16:21:20 <devananda> as this patch stands, it adds a new requirement to Ironic -- all deployments must set a Neutron Network UUID 16:21:30 <devananda> even if they do not have Neutron in the environment 16:21:37 <devananda> because flat networks worked just fine without Neutron before 16:21:42 <devananda> ie, in the case of a stand-alone ironic 16:21:44 <jroll> devananda: we do, that's a thing today 16:21:46 <devananda> or a private single-tenant cloud 16:21:48 <jroll> afaik 16:21:49 <devananda> jroll: no, it's not 16:22:02 <jroll> how are cleaning ports created then? 16:22:04 <vdrok> devananda: yep, before it was required only when neutron dhcp is used and cleaning is enabled 16:22:11 <jroll> right, that 16:22:12 <devananda> vdrok: exactly 16:22:15 <vdrok> s/before/now 16:22:33 <devananda> so if I'm using bifrost (with no neutron) I don't need to set this 16:22:43 <jroll> so yeah, I guess it might need a refactor so that only happens if neutron dhcp is in use 16:22:44 <devananda> after this patch, I have to pass in a fake UUID for this variable 16:22:52 <devananda> s/variable/CONF option/ 16:23:00 <sambetts> we just need an if statement in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/285852/36/ironic/drivers/modules/network/flat.py L36 that checks if cleaning enabled right? 16:23:03 <jroll> nod 16:23:10 <devananda> cool 16:23:31 <jroll> sambetts: well, it should be able to work without that config, if noop dhcp provider is used 16:23:38 <jroll> "it" being cleaning 16:23:57 <jroll> clint was also requesting that the config accept a name 16:24:06 <jroll> but idk if he put that in the review 16:24:11 <sambetts> while we're hacking adding the cleaning network via the dhcp provider 16:24:49 <sambetts> once that is deprecated and we're calling the network provider for cleaning networks directly then is cleaning enabled is your only flag for disabling it right? 16:25:00 <vdrok> jroll: he did not, and idk if it's worth adding this too right now, lots of stuff there already, we could change it later if needed 16:25:17 <jroll> vdrok: sure 16:25:32 <jroll> sambetts: well, it actually depends on the dhcp provider really :/ 16:25:52 <jroll> maybe we shouldn't be moving that, hrm 16:26:10 <sambetts> personally I think that the dhcp should be moved inside the network driver 16:26:15 <jroll> or perhaps we need to fold dhcp provider things... yeah 16:26:33 <jroll> I feel like we can do that after all of these things, with the one catch being this config 16:27:11 <vdrok> the easiest thing would be to meove the cleaning net check inside cleaning methods instead of init right? 16:27:43 <devananda> vdrok: or into the conductor's __init__ ? 16:27:53 <sambetts> but then it fails during runtime and I'd love to have it just blow up the conductor at the start if i've got an invalid config 16:28:19 <Sukhdev> sambetts +1 16:28:25 <devananda> sambetts: yes 16:28:40 <devananda> DriverLoadError will only abort the conductor if raised during __init__ 16:29:05 <devananda> so if we don't check this during conductor init, it will just get logged over and over again (which is what I'm seeing right now) 16:29:07 <sambetts> having an if CONF.cleaning_enabled in the FlatProviders init would allow it to work if they are using the Ironic config correctly 16:29:43 <devananda> sambetts: IFF we also instantiated FlatNetworkProvider during ConductorManager.__init__ -- which we don't today 16:29:43 <sambetts> (I'm assuming that these drivers will be loaded at conductor load) 16:29:49 <devananda> :) 16:29:53 <sambetts> which I really want them to be 16:30:00 <devananda> ++ 16:30:02 <jroll> fwiw, I'm surprised the drivers aren't loading at conductor init, they look like they should be already 16:30:26 <vdrok> driver_factory.NetworkInterfaceFactory() in init_host? 16:30:43 <jroll> ^ yeah, that's what's needed 16:31:00 <jroll> ah, that isn't done today 16:31:02 <jroll> my mistake 16:32:55 <Sukhdev> it seems like simple fix, but, will require good amount of testing - 16:35:15 <Sukhdev> Anything else on this patch? 16:35:21 <devananda> Sukhdev: that's it for me 16:36:09 <Sukhdev> devananda : thanks for articulating the issue - when I saw the comments on p35, I thought your issue was addressed 16:36:39 <Sukhdev> #topic: VLAN aware servers 16:36:58 <Sukhdev> We discussed this last week, and I followed up in Neutron 16:37:07 <Sukhdev> thought I give a quick update 16:37:30 <Sukhdev> So, OVN has this implemented 16:37:55 <Sukhdev> the author who was looking for OVS got pulled into something else 16:38:12 <Sukhdev> hence, it has not been getting much attention in the neutron side - 16:38:28 <Sukhdev> but, last week I raised the priority because of Ironic need 16:39:02 <Sukhdev> We are looking into separating out the OVS implementation from the API - 16:39:28 <Sukhdev> this means, the basic core API will be implemented so that who ever has need for it can use it 16:39:40 <Sukhdev> which works best for us for Ironic integration 16:40:37 <Sukhdev> I am also trying to get a design session on this topic so that we can all discuss 16:41:30 <Sukhdev> as you know neutron is one of the biggest project, and, the number of sessions tend to be tight - 16:41:55 <Sukhdev> but, I will continue to hope and push for one :-) 16:41:58 <jroll> oh! we did get the cross-project session for this on tuesday 16:42:00 <sambetts> ++ for generic API, my concern with the existing API is that they define a translation between what comes out of the VM and what is carried on the neutron network, which of course doesn't work for most BM cases because we can't run anything between the node and the switch 16:42:27 <Sukhdev> jroll : cool - thanks for sharing this news 16:42:39 <sambetts> \o/ 16:42:43 <jroll> np, almost forgot :) 16:43:12 <devananda> jroll: woot! 16:43:43 <sambetts> Neutron summit session ideas are here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/newton-neutron-summit-ideas 16:44:00 <sambetts> Ours is L34 16:44:38 <sambetts> Sukhdev: any idea when the decision will be made for neutron? 16:44:41 <Sukhdev> sambetts : correct, present proposal was by OVN (and OVS team) - hence, very VM centric 16:45:29 <Sukhdev> sambetts : I think the deadline for the session schedule is 4/17 - 16:45:31 <sambetts> Sukhdev: Yeah, we (Cisco) have an interest for making in more generic for SRIOV too, because that has the same problem as BM 16:45:43 <sambetts> making it* 16:46:12 <sambetts> Sukhdev: So we should know by next meeting then 16:46:19 <sambetts> awesome :) 16:46:22 <Sukhdev> sambetts : yup 16:47:21 <Sukhdev> BTW, I saw rosella replied on ML that she will pick up the work on VLAN aware VMs - she was driving it earlier 16:47:33 <Sukhdev> this means we will get traction on this - 16:47:49 <sambetts> Great! 16:48:21 <Sukhdev> What I am trying to do is to pull all the players in a room so that we can all lay out the requirements and work together so that duplicated work can be avoided 16:48:55 <Sukhdev> so that it is VLAN aware server (not just VMs) 16:49:20 <Sukhdev> Anything else on this? 16:49:42 <sambetts> Sort of related, I've added by patches to glean to add support for bonding and multiple vlans 16:49:48 <sambetts> to the midcycle ehterpad 16:50:21 <Sukhdev> sambetts : yes, I saw them - thanks 16:50:30 <sambetts> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ironic-neutron-mid-cycle L73 16:51:45 <sambetts> when I get a moment I hope to try to chase the same for cloudinit also 16:52:12 <sambetts> glean was an easy first target though 16:53:17 * Sukhdev time check - 7 min 16:53:29 <Sukhdev> anything else on this? 16:53:45 <Sukhdev> #topic: Open Discussion 16:54:11 <Sukhdev> Any body wants to discuss anything? 16:54:42 <sambetts> Nothing from me 16:54:58 <Sukhdev> silence is golden 16:55:04 <jroll> :) 16:55:11 <Sukhdev> shall we call it a day? 16:55:31 <sambetts> +1 16:55:41 <Sukhdev> OK 16:55:55 <Sukhdev> thanks folks - it was a great discussion 16:55:55 <jroll> thanks y'all :) 16:56:00 <Sukhdev> bye 16:56:14 <sambetts> Thanks everyone 16:56:17 <Sukhdev> #endmeeting