16:01:26 #startmeeting ironic_neutron 16:01:27 Meeting started Mon May 9 16:01:26 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Sukhdev. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:31 The meeting name has been set to 'ironic_neutron' 16:01:41 #topic: Agenda 16:01:51 #link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Ironic-neutron#Meeting_May_9.2C_2016 16:02:22 #topic: Announcements 16:03:04 Anybody has anything to announce? 16:03:18 This is first meeting after the summit 16:04:01 #topic: Recap of the discussions/agreements during the summit 16:04:13 \o 16:04:34 I thought we spend few minutes to make sure are all on the same page as to what we discussed/concluded 16:04:48 not everybody was in every sessions 16:05:43 I had arranged a whiteboard session on Friday with critical cores from neutron to cover the two hot topics we had 16:06:22 ++ 16:06:31 devananda we looked for you, but, could not find you - but, sambetts mentioned that he in sync with you can could reasonably represent your position 16:07:29 on the first topic - Bonded/LAG support 16:08:00 our present implementation takes care of it and we felt nothing additional is needed from the neutron side 16:08:18 most of the work is in the ironic side 16:08:56 when a bonded port exists on ironic side, it maps to single port on neutron side 16:09:26 that is our current proposal anyways 16:09:35 Sukhdev: on LAG support, I had thought that we (Ironic) needed a way to signal to neutron to create / destroy the bond. sambetts pointed out that, in theory, we already have that mechanism 16:09:58 devananda : yes 16:10:26 our current design supports that and our ML2 drivers supports it as well 16:11:22 when attaching the Node to the provisioning network, Ironic should only attach the Port with the pxe_enabled flag 16:11:31 so, I think, we are good in this regard 16:11:41 I have yet not checked if that is what the code actually does, though 16:12:10 * devananda looks 16:12:14 yep - that's exactly what it does :) 16:12:19 devananda: if you pass neutron a list of "switch info", the ML2 mechanism is supposed to configure the switch for bonding 16:12:21 yeah 16:12:23 so I think we're good on that side 16:12:43 cool 16:12:58 so, we are good with topic one - 16:13:31 lets get to the second topic (this one took a long time) - we walked through many cases to make sure we are covered 16:13:42 The trunked ports 16:14:41 so, neutron's trunk port spec, which is already merged and is in the middle of implementation mostly covers this support from neutron side 16:14:51 we need to make one change to that 16:15:54 when a sub port is added to the trunk port - it requires segmentation-id/type as a mandatory parameter - this forces some middle entity to change the tags 16:16:30 this works in ovs - but, in ironic case, we do not have that entity - i.e. the TOR will have to do it 16:17:15 sambetts raised the issue that we have to design for the lowest common denominator - i.e. there may be TORs which can not do the translation 16:17:33 o/ 16:18:03 hence, everybody agreed that if modified the neutron API not to mandate the segmentation-id/type 16:18:14 sambetts : feel free to jump in 16:18:24 so, what this means is 16:19:25 if a user has a deployment with TORs which can do the translations, and they want to trunk various segmentation types (e.g. VLAN and VxLAN), they can do that 16:20:26 if the user has a plain vanila TOR that does not translate, they can still use trunk ports, in this case the segmentation-id of the network to which the sub-port is attached will be used 16:21:19 and if they have set a different sub-port segmentation type then binding will fail 16:21:20 I got the approval from three cores and PTL for this change - 16:21:44 sambetts : right, that would be considered mis-configuration 16:22:28 sambetts : has to modify his spec to match with this understanding 16:22:51 Yup :) I'll get that updating this week I hope 16:22:55 updated* 16:23:04 any questions on this? 16:24:06 My only question is still what to do about mapping a nova boot call with 2 ports to a node with 1 phys port, and if we should create a trunk port for the user 16:24:30 or if we just fail and tell them to go and make a trunk port manually themselves 16:25:15 sambetts : it actually depends - 16:25:47 if we say the deployment requires operators to create the trunk ports, then yes, the call fails - 16:26:21 but, if we say Ironic will create the trunk ports under the cover , the we accept the command 16:26:36 so make it configurable? 16:26:37 * jroll would prefer the latter 16:26:55 I'd rather not have that configurable unless there's a very good reason 16:27:14 jroll +1 16:27:32 * sambetts would also prefer the latter 16:28:48 the question then comes to mind, do we have enough information to create the trunk port automatically? 16:29:26 I think so 16:29:44 then we are golden 16:30:52 the only part missing is the subport segmentation type/ID and if the network seg == VLAN, then leave sub port segmention blank, if network seg != VLAN then set subport segmentation to VLAN, and generate the seg ids 16:31:11 that covers that part as far as I can tell 16:32:05 this might also get us the ability to connect baremetal to non-VLAN segmentations for free 16:32:29 depending on your hardware/neutron configuration I guess 16:33:06 sambetts : with the modified neutron API, sub-port segmentation-id is optional - i.e. we do not need to specify, it will automatically map to network VLAN ID 16:33:26 when I say blank, I mean just don't include it, sorry :-P 16:33:41 got it - yes, that works 16:33:45 :D sweet 16:33:58 I'll try to update it all this week 16:34:27 Is everybody OK with this? 16:34:42 I did not see any rotten tomatoes flying by :-) 16:35:42 everybody in the room felt this was a good solution as well 16:36:19 awesome :) 16:36:33 once sambetts updates the spec, lets review it and make sure we are good to go with this 16:37:24 If nothing else on this topic, lets march forward to the next agenda item 16:37:44 #topic: Critical patches for early merge 16:37:46 Sukhdev: do you have the url for that spec? 16:38:05 mlavalle : for sambetts's spec? 16:38:10 mlavalle: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/277853/ 16:38:12 +1, would like to read it 16:38:14 thanks 16:38:23 sambetts: thanks! 16:38:53 mlavalle : welcome to this part of the world 16:39:13 Sukhdev: I just follow. I know that is where the fun is :-) 16:39:19 follow you^^^ 16:39:32 :-) 16:39:44 So, going back to the critical 4 patches 16:40:14 we had agreed to get 4 patches listed in the agenda to merge early 16:40:50 jroll: we're holding back until grenade is working right? 16:40:54 * sambetts runs and hides 16:41:11 sambetts : you can run, but, not hide 16:41:40 haha 16:42:11 sambetts: yes, I'd rather not land this without upgrade testing 16:42:27 sambetts: I'm not 100% against landing it, maybe 90% 16:42:36 but that was what we talked about, yes 16:44:01 FWIW, my test cluster hit a snag (unrelated) last week. Getting that running again so I can test the network integration on a couple racks is still on my priority list 16:44:06 many customers are ready to test this feature - managing too many patches is kinda hard 16:45:09 Sukhdev: isn't there already an experimental CI job that tests this? 16:45:23 yes - https://review.openstack.org/269157 16:45:31 doesn't look up to date, though 16:46:25 yeah, looks like it needs a rebase 16:47:13 jroll : so, can we come up a plan which will help us get these critical patches merged? 16:48:32 sukhdev: for one, that patch chain should get updated / rebased. it's about a month stale at this point, and failed the last test runs 16:48:38 Sukhdev: I've asked people to review them, they seem to be kind of on-and-off on it 16:48:46 things that might get them more confident in the changes 16:48:54 1) upgrade testing running against it 16:49:02 I also agree with jroll on our need for a grenade job (upgrade testing) because this is making some major changes to networks 16:49:03 2) smaller, incremental changes 16:49:19 3) updating the patches to pass CI, like deva mentioned 16:49:22 in my testing, I already found out that the patches immediately broke my environment when applied 16:49:35 because of a change to CONF defaults 16:49:47 yay! 16:49:51 yea... 16:49:57 I've left a comment in the network drivers migration covering one of those issues 16:50:58 hmm.. I see 16:51:32 time to chase some folks then 16:52:24 jroll : can you elaborate on 2) on your list - do you want these patches to be further broken down? 16:53:06 I'm also very interested in how the dhcp_provider thing should be handled, because IMO there are some problems if we can set network driver per node but the dhcp_provider is a global thing, if I have 1 node with a None network driver and 1 with a neutron network driver, and set dhcp_provider to Neutron, then it'll likely blow up in PXEBoot prepare ramdisk for the None node when it tries to 16:53:12 configure a neutron port for dhcp and there isn't one 16:53:25 Sukhdev: it's always easier to review a smaller patch. you'll get more core reviewers with many small patches, rather than one large patch 16:53:55 some of the patches are very hard to review -- eg, https://review.openstack.org/285852 is ~2000 lines 16:54:11 sambetts: good question :( 16:55:06 * sambetts also thinks that there are some patches in that chain that can be broken out of the chain, like the devstack hwinfo one, because its cool to have regardless of the networking patches 16:56:52 sambetts and I spoke about the dhcp options issue on Friday during summit 16:57:29 sambetts : can you send me the links to the work that you had mentioned 16:57:59 can you remind me what I mentioned :/ 16:58:10 heh 16:58:31 sambetts : ha ha :-) lets take off line after this meeting - we are down to 2 min 16:58:51 Sukhdev: thanks my Brain is still decompressing from the summit 16:59:08 hshiina : are you here ? 16:59:12 yes 16:59:28 hshiina : you had added a topic to the agenda - we could not get to it 16:59:40 no problem 16:59:52 we are out of time - do you mind if we bring this up in next meeting? 16:59:55 ironic patches should be merged before nova's 17:00:07 i see 17:00:29 Folks, we are out of time - 17:00:39 thanks for attending 17:00:42 o/ 17:00:46 thanks! 17:00:53 thanks 17:00:55 o/ 17:01:07 bye 17:01:12 #endmeeting