14:01:35 <mgoddard> #startmeeting kayobe
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14:01:39 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'kayobe'
14:01:45 <mgoddard> #topic rollcall
14:01:50 <mgoddard> Hello o/
14:02:19 <priteau> Hi \o
14:03:26 <mgoddard> dougsz?
14:04:04 <dougsz> hey there
14:04:44 <radeks> hi there \o
14:04:51 <mgoddard> hi radeks :)
14:04:58 <mgoddard> #topic agenda
14:05:07 <mgoddard> * Roll-call
14:05:10 <mgoddard> * Announcements
14:05:12 <mgoddard> * Review actions from last meeting
14:05:14 <mgoddard> * Kayobe whiteboard https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard
14:05:16 <mgoddard> * Discussion
14:05:18 <mgoddard> ** Stein release planning https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-stein-release
14:05:20 <mgoddard> ** Train summit summary
14:05:22 <mgoddard> ** Kayobe seeking official status
14:05:24 <mgoddard> ** Github repo mirroring
14:05:26 <mgoddard> ** Bug review & squash
14:05:28 <mgoddard> * Open Discussion
14:05:30 <mgoddard> No announcements today, unless someone has any
14:06:46 <jovial[m]> hi
14:06:48 <mgoddard> hi jovial[m]
14:07:04 <jovial[m]> have we started?
14:07:13 <mgoddard> yeah
14:07:22 <mgoddard> Also no action items to review
14:07:29 <mgoddard> #topic Kayobe dashboard
14:07:37 <mgoddard> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kayobe-whiteboard
14:07:49 <mgoddard> s/dashboard/whiteboard/
14:08:04 <mgoddard> We have a CI failure on master currently in the seed upgrade job
14:08:17 <mgoddard> It appears to be something to do with mariadb in bifrost
14:08:39 <mgoddard> jovial[m]: has kindly offered to look into it
14:08:53 <mgoddard> #action jovial[m] to investigate seed upgrade job failure
14:09:16 <mgoddard> moving onto review priorities
14:09:23 <jovial[m]> I wish there was an easy way to run a zuul playbook to recreate :(
14:09:47 <jovial[m]> does everyone else just run the stuff manually? or am I doing something wrong?
14:10:01 <radeks> the same question here
14:10:02 <mgoddard> jovial[m]: there aren't too many commands to run thanks to the scripts in dev/
14:10:18 <mgoddard> I believe the zuul team are adding that feature
14:11:01 <mgoddard> upgrades are a bit more challenging to run
14:11:15 <jovial[m]> Ok, I will proceed manually and eagerly await that feature :)
14:11:48 <mgoddard> it's a good opportunity to get to know what the CI tests are doing :)
14:14:40 <mgoddard> #topic Stein release
14:15:05 <mgoddard> IIRC there was a problem with bifrost last time I looked at this
14:15:37 <mgoddard> It needs a bit of time spent to work out what's going on. Hopefully otherwise it's close
14:16:06 <mgoddard> We have a few patches open now, I guess we need to decide what makes the release soon
14:16:22 <jovial[m]> always the bifrost ;-)
14:16:28 <mgoddard> yeah :(
14:17:07 <priteau> I am afraid I haven't had time to look again at my Cumulus patch :(
14:17:40 <mgoddard> Hopefully there will be time before release
14:18:07 <mgoddard> #topic Train summit summary
14:18:21 <mgoddard> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-May/005924.html
14:18:27 <mgoddard> I sent that to the list
14:18:36 <mgoddard> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/DEN-19-kayobe-feedback-roadmap
14:18:47 <mgoddard> that's the Etherpad from the feedback session
14:19:15 <mgoddard> we had quite a few people involved, and the main concerns seemed to be around documentation
14:19:24 <priteau> Nice to see Cody was there
14:20:08 <mgoddard> I think at that stage of the summit I was a little fried, so perhaps didn't get the most out of the crowd
14:20:21 <mgoddard> still, some good points in there
14:20:43 <mgoddard> The workshop went well, and the room was packed
14:21:01 <mgoddard> Some familiar faces, and some new
14:21:17 <mgoddard> Hopefully we planted a seed for some people
14:21:25 <mgoddard> (pun not intended)
14:21:37 <mgoddard> Any questions?
14:22:43 <mgoddard> #topic Kayobe seeking official status
14:23:05 <mgoddard> I think its time for us as a project to seek official status
14:23:25 <mgoddard> we're pretty stable, and have a good user base
14:23:42 <mgoddard> there are a few options
14:23:57 <mgoddard> 1. a new deliverable of the kolla project
14:24:10 <mgoddard> 2. an official OpenStack project
14:24:25 <mgoddard> 3. a top level OpenStack foundation project
14:24:46 <mgoddard> the first requires buy in from the kolla team
14:24:53 <priteau> The third option, is this like Airship?
14:25:04 <mgoddard> priteau: yes
14:25:25 <mgoddard> it's not clear to me that there's enough overlap with kolla contributors right now for 1., but we could propose it
14:26:04 <mgoddard> 2 vs 3 would probably be a question for OpenStack TC/board folk
14:26:30 <priteau> The 2nd option is well documented. Not sure how people end up in the 3rd.
14:26:32 <mgoddard> we're fairly tied to OpenStack right now, so it seems a logical association
14:26:59 <dougsz> I suppose 1. might be awkward for the potential OSA support that was hinted at
14:27:14 <jovial[m]> OSA?
14:27:16 <mgoddard> 1 is easiest - kolla team votes, similar to Tenks
14:27:21 <dougsz> (if it ever gets implemented)
14:27:30 <dougsz> OpenStack Ansible
14:27:51 <mgoddard> dougsz: its a fair point. It was just an idea but might be worth keeping in mind
14:28:15 <mgoddard> it didn't have any immediate interest so probably won't happen right now
14:28:42 <dougsz> Personally, it would be nice to remove some of the boiler plate with closer integration of Kayobe with KA
14:29:03 <mgoddard> dougsz: got an example?
14:29:09 <jovial[m]> the double templating?
14:29:11 <dougsz> Inventory files, config
14:29:23 <dougsz> yeah
14:30:32 <mgoddard> would be nice
14:30:32 <mgoddard> I think there will always be those who want a separate kolla-ansible though
14:30:44 <dougsz> Agreed
14:31:23 <mgoddard> we could consider other ways of adding kayobe's config knowledge into a more vanilla kolla config
14:32:06 <mgoddard> ideas on a postcard please
14:32:10 <dougsz> :)
14:32:29 <mgoddard> I think we've drifted a bit. Good topic though
14:32:39 <mgoddard> #topic Github mirroring
14:33:07 <mgoddard> Github mirroring to https://github.com/openstack/kayobe was broken by the switch to opendev, since kayobe is now x/kayobe
14:33:17 <mgoddard> this means we have a stale mirror
14:33:25 <mgoddard> and it will only get more stale
14:33:30 <jovial[m]> kill with fire?
14:34:05 <mgoddard> Infra offer to archive the repo, although I assume you'd still be able to clone it so that might not help that much
14:34:19 <mgoddard> They can also move it to another org, e.g. kayobe/kayobe
14:34:47 <mgoddard> I've hesitated with this due to the official project bid, which could move us back to openstack/kayobe :)
14:35:10 <jovial[m]> do you own the kayobe namespace?
14:35:14 <mgoddard> nope
14:35:30 <priteau> It could take a while to become official, IIRC there's a discussion with the TC which could take time to schedule.
14:35:32 <mgoddard> apparently someone else does
14:35:39 <mgoddard> https://github.com/kayobe
14:35:51 <jovial[m]> if they haven't used it in ages you can ask github to transfer it
14:36:17 <jovial[m]> maybe we can even keep the logo ;-)
14:36:21 <priteau> Joined GitHub on May 23, 2017
14:36:21 <mgoddard> lol
14:36:28 <priteau> No public activity since
14:37:11 <mgoddard> what should we do?
14:37:18 <mgoddard> we have updated docs to use opendev
14:37:23 <johnthetubaguy> for reference on the TC discussions: https://governance.openstack.org/tc/reference/new-projects-requirements.html
14:37:31 <priteau> https://github.community/t5/How-to-use-Git-and-GitHub/Taking-the-name-of-an-old-unused-account/m-p/2485#M801
14:38:40 <priteau> mgoddard: I think it's worth asking GitHub about the kayobe username. It might not take long and then people who want to use GitHub will still be able to do so.
14:39:04 <priteau> Until we move back to openstack/kayobe if the official project process is successful
14:39:08 <jovial[m]> how would we keep the mirror in sync?
14:39:20 <mgoddard> priteau: true. There's probably a bit of work in setting up a mirror sync job
14:39:47 <mgoddard> hopefully openstack/kayobe would redirect to kayobe/kayobe, and then support removing the redirection
14:40:06 <johnthetubaguy> FWIW, there seemed to be lots of folks saying, I want kolla but I wish it did the base install the triple-o can
14:40:43 <mgoddard> I think that's a good argument for being part of kolla
14:40:52 <jovial[m]> if you move a repository on github the old link redirects to the new one - so, does that mean github.com/openstack/kayobe would still work?
14:41:11 <mgoddard> we have the PTG on 28th & 29th May, I'm going to bring it up then
14:41:21 <johnthetubaguy> I wonder if its worth having a vote, noting that the failure means you consider being a top level openstack project under the TC?
14:41:37 <johnthetubaguy> cool
14:42:00 <mgoddard> johnthetubaguy: vote on what, and by who?
14:42:36 <johnthetubaguy> oops, I meant kolla core voting on kayboe joining kolla, a bit like tenks
14:43:53 <mgoddard> right, thats what we would have to do. Want to test the water first though
14:44:00 <johnthetubaguy> makes sense
14:45:13 <mgoddard> I'm getting the impression people think we should try to grab the kayobe org, is that right?
14:46:29 <mgoddard> #action mgoddard to enquire about kayobe org on github
14:46:44 <mgoddard> #topic Bug review & squash
14:46:45 <jovial[m]> I quite like our slick new x/kayobe branding
14:47:07 <mgoddard> I was thinking we ought to have a bug review & squash session
14:47:42 <mgoddard> perhaps an hour or two to review open bugs, then some more time spent on sharing some out and squashing them
14:47:45 <mgoddard> any takers?
14:48:44 <mgoddard> just me then :)
14:48:58 <jovial[m]> I'll be up for squashing some :D
14:48:59 <priteau> Sounds like a good idea, at least making sure all the bugs on Storyboard are still valid
14:49:26 <mgoddard> yeah
14:49:50 <mgoddard> it's not the most exciting job, but it is important
14:50:12 <mgoddard> #action mgoddard to schedule bug review and squash session
14:50:27 <mgoddard> #topic open discussion
14:50:33 <mgoddard> Anyone have anything?
14:50:37 <mgoddard> kayobe-seed-upgrade-centos http://logs.openstack.org/06/658806/1/check/kayobe-seed-upgrade-centos/01a3739/ : SUCCESS in 1h 01m 34s
14:50:57 <mgoddard> Either the seed upgrade job is just flakey, or it is now fixed...
14:52:08 <mgoddard> Thanks for attending everyone
14:52:14 <mgoddard> #endmeeting