16:00:49 #startmeeting keystone 16:00:50 Meeting started Tue Oct 8 16:00:49 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is cmurphy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:00:51 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:00:54 The meeting name has been set to 'keystone' 16:00:58 o/ 16:00:59 o/ 16:01:04 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-weekly-meeting agenda 16:01:14 o/ 16:03:48 o/ 16:04:13 hey everyone 16:04:23 #topic New roadmap platform 16:04:34 #link https://tree.taiga.io/project/keystone-ussuri-roadmap/kanban 16:05:00 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2019-October/009942.html 16:05:24 since we reached our limit with trello i started a new board on the platform that kmalloc discovered, so far i like it a lot 16:05:48 ++ happy to be on an open platform 16:06:10 nice 16:06:16 it should be publicly visible but to add team members i need emails, i didn't necessarily want to assume everyone wants to use the one they use for gerrit/lp/mailing list so haven't added everyone yet 16:06:18 ++ 16:06:47 so send me emails so i can invite you and assign yourselves to the things you're already working on 16:06:56 and feel free to move things around and edit things 16:07:14 also if anyone wants admin rights to play around with it i can make that happen 16:07:56 and let me know how you like it and if you want to change it 16:09:58 i haven't played with it extensively, but it looks promising so far 16:10:46 I used it very briefly with tripleo ci, but mostly I think I was just annoyed by having yet another platform to track things on. :-) 16:10:57 Since you're dropping trello that won't be a problem. 16:11:27 do other openstack projects use tiaga? 16:12:57 not that i'm aware of 16:13:28 i experimented with storyboard too but ran into issues (and filed a bug report) 16:13:40 nice 16:13:48 the experience with taiga has been really smooth 16:13:52 cmurphy: Should I also email you the things to add on tiaga ? 16:14:02 I only know of https://tree.taiga.io/project/tripleo-ci-board/timeline 16:14:19 vishakha: just send me the email address you want me to use to invite you 16:14:27 cmurphy: okay 16:14:34 everyone who was on the old trello board should also be on the new taiga board 16:15:06 cmurphy is the plan to have a new board for each release? 16:15:21 using the same format/process we had with trello? 16:16:27 lbragstad: that's how i laid it out for now, but there's also an option to enable "sprints" so in theory we could keep the same board and have each cycle be a "sprint" 16:16:43 that felt a little clunkier when i was playing with it though 16:16:46 but definitely an option 16:17:03 nice 16:17:12 * lbragstad wonders if milestones could be sprints 16:17:28 we could do that too 16:18:04 that's an interesting way to organize work, i'm not sure if trello has that concept 16:18:51 not natively afaik, it has due dates and there's probably plugins to enable something like it 16:19:23 yeah, true 16:19:27 but... money... 16:19:31 lol yeah 16:21:36 we could talk about this during our cycle planning at the ptg if we want 16:21:49 sounds good 16:23:29 any other questions or concerns? 16:25:50 #topic PTG(s) 16:25:58 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/keystone-shanghai-ptg 16:26:24 no one's given me any feedback on the timing or agenda so i'm considering it more or less finalish 16:27:19 i realized there was only a list of names of people who could/could not attend the real ptg so i started a new list for people planning on attending the virtual ones 16:27:39 so please add your name so i know how many people think they will make it 16:29:42 that's all i had to say about it, anyone else have thoughts on it? 16:31:30 #topic review requests 16:31:47 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/686828/ 16:31:54 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/682266/ 16:31:56 o/ 16:31:59 o/ 16:32:17 i tried overhauling the rbac docs we had 16:32:29 specifically for operators 16:32:55 my goal with that patch is to allow operators to fully understand what they get out of the box with rbac in keystone 16:33:36 i think there is more stuff to do and i'd like to generate a list of executable APIs per role+scope persona, but i don't think i'll have that done for a while 16:34:00 i'm hoping we can backport that doc to stable/train that way operators have something to go on when they consume that release 16:34:10 since we fully support it in keysotne 16:34:45 that's awesome, will take a look 16:35:25 thanks - the other is just test cleanup that's finally passing 16:36:10 i think you linked the wrong one 16:36:17 682266 is merged 16:36:37 fixed - sorry 16:36:44 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/686297/ 16:37:33 will have another look at that 16:38:14 thanks 16:38:48 #link https://review.opendev.org/677585 16:38:58 still need reviews for access rules in ksc so we can add it to osc and horizon 16:40:01 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/676648/ 16:40:15 oh i guess i'm on the hook for that one 16:40:59 i'll take a look at the ksc patches 16:41:07 i was going to do that and it slipped 16:41:17 ty 16:41:27 yep - thanks for the ksa reviews 16:42:16 #link https://review.opendev.org/686306 16:42:23 #link https://review.opendev.org/686305 16:42:50 i looked at those but i wasn't sure if they were ready for feedback, yet? 16:42:51 i had started a conversation with gmann and put up some ideas on how we could bring rbac testing to tempest 16:43:32 lbragstad: ready for feedback on the general idea and organization at least 16:43:40 ok 16:43:43 cool 16:43:59 Nice 16:44:22 would be great if the team had a look and we can discuss it more at the ptgs and the forum session 16:45:06 and this is an easy one https://review.opendev.org/687096 16:45:53 anyone else have reviews to highlight? 16:47:08 TIL that keystone.openstack.org is a thing. 16:47:12 should I drop the patch for keystone tempest plugin pdf patch? https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685026/ 16:47:48 vishakha: imo we don't need it 16:48:59 cmurphy: ok. Is it fine to have pdf for ldappol and pycadf? 16:50:20 bnemec: same with nova.openstack.org etc ;) 16:50:35 vishakha: hmm so we do publish docs for pycadf https://docs.openstack.org/pycadf/latest/ 16:50:44 but they seem to be developer-focused 16:50:51 not really useful to users 16:51:07 ldappool we don't publish and i think those docs are also developer-focused 16:51:37 bnemec: do you see any value in producing pdfs for pycadf? 16:52:22 Unless the docs have a user-focused section I'd say no. 16:52:30 * bnemec has been largely ignoring the pdf goal 16:52:48 I can't remember if that's because it doesn't apply to Oslo libs or if I just assumed Stephen would take care of it. :-) 16:53:13 lol 16:53:50 the feedback from akihiro on https://review.opendev.org/#/c/685026/ is that it's not really needed for most libs 16:54:12 i think keystoneauth and keystonemiddleware are user/operator-facing enough that it's worthwhile for them but i don't think the same applies to our other libraries 16:54:57 Agreed. 16:55:16 cmurphy: okay. Agreed it will be useless to have pdfs for the other libraries 16:55:35 I suppose if someone were trying to consume pycadf auditing info in a disconnected env they might want docs for it. 16:56:49 one way to look at it is that the point of the goal was for packagers and distros to be able to generate pdfs for their own documentation, if a distro asks why pycadf doesn't have pdfs then we can address it at that point 16:57:38 vishakha: thanks for working on them and helping us get it clarified :) 16:58:05 cmurphy: yw :) 16:58:19 #topic open floor 16:58:29 two minutes left if anyone wants to bring anything else up 17:00:01 okay thanks everyone 17:00:04 #endmeeting