16:59:51 <knikolla> #startmeeting keystone
16:59:52 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Mar 16 16:59:51 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is knikolla. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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16:59:55 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'keystone'
17:00:04 <knikolla> o/
17:00:15 <cmurphy> o/
17:00:56 <knikolla> It’s that time of the year again, when clock changes
17:01:39 <knikolla> lbragstad, gagehugo: ping
17:01:47 <gagehugo> o/
17:02:20 <lbragstad> o/
17:02:29 <lbragstad> i'm double booked today - but i'll follow along the best i can
17:03:01 <knikolla> #topic No PTL candidates for X cycle
17:03:58 <knikolla> None of us stepped up to volunteer for the PTL position for the upcoming cycle
17:04:21 <knikolla> I understand that we have other commitments and it’s hard to devote the time
17:04:56 <knikolla> One possibility is moving to a distributed leadership model https://governance.openstack.org/tc/resolutions/20200803-distributed-project-leadership.html
17:05:20 <knikolla> This would require 3 liasons, release, infra, and security
17:06:42 <knikolla> I can make a proposal to move us to that leadership model, but please, is someone is interested in taking over the PTL role, I highly encourage you to do so.
17:07:08 <knikolla> Thoughts?
17:07:50 <gagehugo> I'm already stretched thin a bit between openstack-helm ptl and security sig chair, so I can't really devote more time to being another full-on PTL atm
17:08:54 <knikolla> I understand. Will you still be able to act as the security liason?
17:08:57 <gagehugo> the leadership model may be a good compromise
17:09:02 <gagehugo> I should be able to
17:09:55 <knikolla> I can continue acting as the release liaison
17:10:36 <knikolla> For running the weekly meetings, do you think we can move to a rotating chair model?
17:11:54 <gagehugo> Do we still need to do weekly meetings?
17:12:22 <gagehugo> or still do weekly meetings, but cancel the day before if the agenda is empty?
17:12:30 <knikolla> Regular meetings, yes. I’m unsure about the required frequency.
17:13:29 <knikolla> I’m okay with canceling them the day before if nothing on the agenda. I can program a bot, or something of the like, haha.
17:17:08 <bnemec> FWIW, there was a proposal in Oslo to only meet every other week too.
17:18:08 <knikolla> ++, that works too
17:18:27 <gagehugo> yeah, we're considering moving to less frequent with the security sig
17:19:01 <knikolla> bnemec: who runs the weekly meeting? Is it always one person or is it rotating?
17:19:07 <knikolla> Biweekly*
17:19:30 <bnemec> We've had one person running most of our meetings since going DPL.
17:19:41 <bnemec> He was actually the one who proposed meeting less often.
17:20:52 <bnemec> Which kind of means we have to meet less often since no one else is likely to run the meeting at this point. ;-)
17:21:18 <knikolla> I am hoping for it to be more distributed than that, for us
17:22:19 <bnemec> Yeah, in practice Herve is functioning as PTL for us.
17:22:52 <knikolla> Hence why I want some form of rotation for the more exhausting/mundane tasks
17:23:51 <knikolla> We obviously still all care about keystone to some extent
17:28:03 <gagehugo> So maybe DPL?
17:29:25 <knikolla> Yes, as long as we can agree on the division of responsibilities, and for a form of rotation of some of them, if needed.
17:35:35 <gagehugo> We're doing a PTG meeting right?
17:36:52 <knikolla> Yes, I’ll send a poll later today
17:36:58 <knikolla> With the time options
17:37:12 <gagehugo> cool
17:37:47 <knikolla> It’s going to be held from Monday, April 19 to Friday, April 23
17:37:56 <knikolla> So in a month
17:38:16 <knikolla> We can have a higher bandwidth conversation there with regards to PTL and DPL
17:39:27 <knikolla> #topic Open Discussion
17:40:17 <cmurphy> i'm having deja vu on the zuul failure for this https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/keystone/+/760615
17:40:30 <cmurphy> was that fixed somehow or did we remove the lower-constraints job for other branches?
17:41:50 <knikolla> We removed the lower-constraints
17:42:08 <gagehugo> https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/keystone/+/772084
17:43:21 <cmurphy> oops i guess that's on me to review
17:44:51 <gagehugo> lol
17:52:16 <knikolla> Thanks all!
17:52:18 <knikolla> #endmeeting