23:00:47 #startmeeting kolla 23:00:49 Meeting started Wed Mar 30 23:00:47 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sdake. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 23:00:50 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 23:00:52 The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 23:00:55 #topic rollcall 23:00:56 o/ 23:00:57 \o/ 23:00:58 hi 23:01:00 o/ 23:01:11 o/ 23:03:06 o/ 23:03:58 #topic annouoncements 23:04:00 our agenda is here: 23:04:04 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Kolla#Agenda_for_next_meeting 23:05:19 1. sam has dropped off the core reviewer team of his own accord. If he is lilke most peple he probably values his privacy and may not want to be questioned about it. 23:05:40 he will be missed :( 23:06:06 sam's contributions have been super valuable to kolla and I wish him well in the future 23:06:23 If the core team wants to wish him well as well, I thnk that would be appropriate. 23:06:47 2. the irc channel has moved to #openstack-kolla 23:06:49 miss him. 23:07:19 3. the gate which was busted is now fixed for the most part in correct fashions for master and soon mitaka - keep the patches coming 23:07:56 the doc gate is still flaky 23:08:00 4. we have a vote on how to manage the backports underway - please vote. 23:08:09 5. we have a core reviewer nomination under way - please vote. 23:08:18 any announcements from the community? 23:09:01 #topic Liberty backport planning 23:09:05 inc0 all yours 23:09:07 well 23:09:09 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/299563/ 23:09:14 so we need a plan 23:09:26 I'm working on getting mitaka code deploying liberty 23:09:38 and got it to work in prototype fashion 23:10:06 obviously this is ugly and I need to work on it a bit more, but here it is 23:10:19 question - what are we doing with this code? 23:10:23 I see 2 options 23:10:35 1. We keep it master and effectively abandon mitaka 23:10:39 liberty* branch 23:11:02 2. we backport it to liberty stable and we can remove this "deploy_liberty" nonsense 23:11:23 which means that we'll have 2 branches that will be virtually identical 23:11:38 and patches that lands in mitaka will have to be backported 23:11:38 sounds like what the current vote is 23:11:44 I would guess almost all of them 23:12:07 i htink what this means is backporting is effectively blocked until mitaka is released 23:12:10 I'm personally in favor of second options 23:12:11 can't we keep templates for major openstack version in tree 23:12:13 to make a nice tidy backport process 23:12:23 templates/mitaka/* 23:13:03 so that one branch can at least deploy 2 or 3 releases 23:13:09 well asalkeld_ truth is, our templates aren't super sophisticated (not sure if I wrote this word correctly, you get the idea) 23:13:17 which means we're good at most part 23:13:22 asalkeld so you mean templates ike heat-mitaka.j2 heat-liberty.j2? 23:13:45 sdake: yeah (or just add a new directory for each release 23:13:45 well, I wouldn't make a habit out of it 23:13:52 yes.. I like 2 option as well.. why should we "make Mitaka deploy Liberty" ? does other OpenStack projects do this ? one release is made to deployed an older relase ? 23:14:09 we may get lucky now, next release mariadb will make breaking change and we're screwed 23:14:34 vhosakot, so other deployment tools usually deploy previous version 23:14:50 I think Fuel for example is still on Kilo 23:15:06 Mikaka Fuel dpeloys Kila ? 23:15:08 osad I think deploys master 23:15:11 hard to test upgrades if you have to keep checking out different versions of the code 23:15:40 asalkeld_, but it will be more stable this way 23:15:42 well we do want stable branches per release 23:16:00 stable/mitaka = atleast mitaka 23:16:01 ok, just an idea 23:16:05 stable/liberty = atleast liberty 23:16:13 well, I think we may get lucky now 23:16:26 but I'd liek to keep 1 release per release 23:16:29 and mitaka - mitaka 23:17:09 only reason this backport is even a thing is data_containers which were super critically horrible nuke in your own datacenter 23:17:17 and people don't like nukes in dc 23:17:59 ok well here is my thinking on the matter 23:18:13 inc0 should continue to work on defining HOW we backport 23:18:21 so...my personal favorite is to ditch what we now call liberty, and make liberty out of master + my code once I'm done with it 23:18:28 he has taken that on that responsibility of his own accord 23:18:43 but as far as tming goes 23:18:53 I'd really like to wait until Mitaka is tagged 23:19:00 fair enough 23:19:19 after Mitaka is tagged, Id' like to distribute the backport work throughout the core reviewr team and our respective community 23:19:27 so what I need from you guys is to help me testing 23:19:37 so we can get it done in la week or two 23:19:40 rather then 6 months ;) 23:19:43 confirm that serviced deploys correctly and test centos 23:20:11 we need to teset ubuntu as well 23:20:18 can the backported code to Liberty be tested in gate ? 23:20:22 I'm doing everything on buntu 23:20:28 our gate testing is weak vhosakot 23:20:34 compute kit 23:20:46 vhosakot, we need to make gate out of it 23:20:46 only copute kit and barely that :) 23:20:57 stable/lbierty hs a gate 23:21:06 which will need to change 23:21:15 if its the same as mitaka why change it? 23:21:27 if it's the same, then no, but is it 23:21:29 ? 23:21:43 well, in any case 23:21:44 it will be - take mitaka cp to liberty 23:22:09 we'll get it done 23:22:27 all I'm saying is, we need to make a decision on HOW 23:22:31 yup have full confidence in inc0, he got us upgrades rolling with help from the community 23:22:46 inc0 i prposed in the vote on the mailing list how 23:22:55 if you think how should be different can you repropose a different thing 23:22:57 wonderful, thank you 23:23:12 I'll do that 23:23:39 ok any Q&A? 23:23:57 I have Q... 23:24:01 for everyone who helps with backport, drinks are on PTL; 23:24:02 ;) 23:24:10 drinks are on inc0 he means :) 23:24:26 will steps to test backport be posted on etherpad ? what to test ? how to test ? 23:24:32 * sdake needs to abuse the corproate card more 23:24:46 vhosakot, so test will be - deploy and do stuff 23:25:05 the deal is we want liberty to be the same as mitaka 23:25:08 hello 23:25:09 is this like downloading inc0's patch set, deploy kolla, check basic sanity ? 23:25:12 so we can leverage all the testing we have gone through 23:25:14 hey rhallisey 23:25:15 srry was at the sstore 23:25:19 but I'll make sure to get it testable (is this even a word?) before we tag mitaka 23:25:45 vhosakot, yeah, pretty much, basic or more advanced, as much as you can 23:26:05 inc0 perhaps your proposal is different then what was proposed on the ml 23:26:11 i think we need to have further discussion there 23:26:32 there being the ml 23:26:35 does that mean there more needed to be backported? 23:26:49 s/there/there is 23:26:55 rhallisey yes - read your email!! ;) 23:26:56 rhallisey, everything will be backported eally 23:27:08 and I mean everything 23:27:14 ya I saw that 23:27:17 I +1'd it 23:27:25 unless something changed in the last 1hour 23:27:28 * sdake reads his mail :) 23:27:52 i think inc0 hasn't read my proposal yet 23:28:12 what the final solution? deploy liberty using mitaka branch Or backport mitaka branch to liberty? 23:28:15 didnt get mail yet 23:28:25 I'm for the latter 23:28:28 Jeffrey4l_ i prefer second choice 23:28:29 I think inc0 using the latter. 23:28:53 I think inc0 using the former. ( sorry for typo) 23:29:06 I perfer second, too. 23:29:07 Jeffrey4l_, for demo purposes 23:29:33 but I'd rather ditch conditional and make liberty a copy of mitaka with slight changes 23:29:34 inc0 said 2nd option - 2. we backport it to liberty stable and we can remove this "deploy_liberty" nonsense 23:30:28 ok well unfortunately we have a poor turnout at our irc meetings at the 23:00 utc tiemslot 23:30:40 so we really need to have this discussion on the mailing list 23:31:13 so inc0 slurp your mail and get us going ;) 23:31:17 is there a list of things going to be backported to Liberty.... etherpad link ? 23:31:17 ok moving on :) 23:31:37 #topic Liberty rc3 bug triage [timebox 25 minutes] 23:31:58 sdake: is there a list of things going to be backported to Liberty 23:31:59 vhosakot perhaps we need to start that - inc0 can yout ake that up ini yuor response? 23:31:59 mail no there, bits slow, instructions unclear 23:32:06 cool 23:32:30 our deadline for rc3 is friday April 1sst 23:32:33 as in 2 days 23:32:34 ( sorry, offlined just now) 23:32:52 I am tagging at the last possible moment for folks to get bug fixes in 23:33:10 After that, Mitaka final is April 8th, 2016 23:33:40 so we are going to go through the painful process of bug categorization for confirmed bugs 23:34:24 #link https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/mitaka-rc3 23:34:41 any bug that is New is probably a backport 23:34:43 lets ignore those 23:34:52 i'll sort those out after the meeting 23:34:58 anythign confirmed, needs to be fixed asap 23:35:02 lots there 23:35:10 ya we have a slew of bugs 23:35:23 I really need people to focus on fixxing bugs rather then developing features 23:35:58 we can handle about 25 bugs a week if we coordinate well 23:36:03 that is our community capacity 23:36:22 that is good bug-fixing rate 23:36:37 yes - we have 1 week left until release 23:36:45 we can't possibly fix all these bugs in the time frame allotted 23:37:04 please work on critical bugs 23:37:23 a critical bug is something that stops kolla from functioning properly in our 7 major kolla-ansible operational mdoes 23:37:30 reconfigure, ugprade, deploy, precheck, etc 23:37:45 a high bug is something that is a real probem 23:37:57 yes, I'm hardening the prechecks 23:38:06 I am going to look at a ll the low bugs an bounce them on the 1st if there are not solutiosn for them 23:38:19 I am going t o look at all the medium bugs and see if they are really low prior to that 23:38:36 what i need is help prioirtizing bugs 23:39:01 the second peice of help i need is finishign the job on bugs in the in progress state 23:39:50 the third peice of help i need is fixing bugs in the critical or high states that are unassigned 23:40:06 i will send a request to the mailing list about all of this need for help 23:40:17 but can anyone point out any holes in this approach? 23:40:32 i'd like to make sure we deliver something that works properly 23:41:59 sdake: what about scale bugs related connection limit, nova scheculer with 100 VMs... ? 23:42:14 vhosakot i am looking at that now 23:42:17 cool 23:42:18 i would call that critical 23:42:36 or high at minimum 23:42:53 what i'e seen so far with 1000 vm launch is it can't be done 23:43:00 without changing koll aaround 23:43:11 at most on a 64 node clusery you can launch 50 vms 23:43:16 that is totaly unacceptable to me ;) 23:43:40 how many are compute nodes ? 23:43:42 we need to make sure a 100 node cluster works ocrrectly for a fully loaded set of compute nodes 23:43:58 3 controller 10 stroage 87 compute at 256gb ram 23:44:05 is our arbitrary pie in the sky target 23:44:12 this leads to open discussion 23:44:16 #topic open discussion 23:44:57 sorry battery died 23:45:06 we'll need continued help from manjeets and gmmaha to debug/test scale fixes... 23:45:44 it takes me 6-12 hours to even dig into one ebug vhosakot 23:45:52 because i dont hve access to hte metal 23:46:00 meanwhile i could be fixing 3-4 critical bugs 23:46:01 agreed, scale issues are different/tough 23:46:22 vhosakot: we can definitely help as best as we can 23:46:48 thanks gmmaha 23:47:28 I hope to get us some serious hardware soon, for a time at least 23:48:59 I need two my reviews to be merged.. they are in queue long 23:49:12 ya folks 23:49:15 stay on top of the queue 23:49:28 i wnt eveyrone to have an opportunity to be first to review a patch 23:49:34 dont wait for someon else to review it first 23:49:34 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296012/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/296649/ 23:50:18 anything else? 23:51:10 so, is inc0 going to send email about backport 23:51:26 I thought sdake will do it? 23:51:28 he said he would follow up on the thread 23:51:32 ah ok ok 23:51:32 ah 23:51:33 email already sent 23:51:33 well 23:51:38 yes 23:51:39 ok, I'll follow up 23:51:41 tomorrow 23:52:16 I don't trust my skill of constructing correct sentecnes any more today 23:52:45 haha 23:53:36 ok well i'll gie folks back 7 minutes of their lives 23:53:49 please stay focused on milestone 3 and mitaak final 23:54:09 #endmeeting