15:59:35 #startmeeting kolla 15:59:36 Meeting started Wed Jul 12 15:59:35 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:59:40 The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 15:59:41 0/ 15:59:44 #topic w00t for kolla 15:59:48 w00t 15:59:52 w00t 15:59:58 woot o/ 16:00:04 hello everyone, let's give few minutes for people to join 16:00:14 roger 16:00:43 w007 16:00:50 lol 16:01:12 w00t 0/ 16:01:18 w3w7? 16:01:26 :) 16:01:39 woot 16:02:41 woot 16:02:57 hi coolsvap 16:03:22 duonghq: hi 16:03:38 * krtaylor has conformed to the woot :) 16:03:52 :F 16:03:55 :D 16:04:04 ok, let's get to it 16:04:09 #topic Announcements 16:04:39 Summit call for proposals is cuting off in 2 days 16:04:58 we'll have meeting topic to summarize sessiosn we want to make 16:05:09 o/ 16:05:17 any community announcements? 16:05:55 guess not:) 16:06:04 #topic Summit sessions 16:06:16 so, I know of 2 sessions we propose 16:06:27 1. image customization and 2. upgrades 16:06:53 anyone else thought of submission? 16:07:02 * duonghq and spsurya_ has one 16:07:03 I'd encourage this:) it's great experience 16:07:04 inc0: yes 16:07:10 cool! what's that? 16:07:16 New era of OpenStack deployment: non-containerized to containerized with Kolla 16:07:25 oh, brownfield migration? 16:07:28 I'd go to that! 16:07:47 inc0: thinking of same 16:08:00 we have some notes for this topic, really cool 16:08:06 I'll be happy to help you with content 16:08:20 inc0: thanks 16:08:21 awesome 16:08:46 inc0: yes i looking for such help 16:08:48 much needed 16:08:51 :) 16:08:54 submitted yesterday a session on kolla-k8s project overview 16:09:05 sbezverk: +1 16:09:06 On '1' - inc0 have time this afternoon to wrap this up? 16:09:10 +1 sbezverk 16:09:12 if somebody wants to co-present, please let me know 16:09:13 nice, sbezverk 16:09:15 yes, we need to rwellum 16:09:18 that would be awesome sbezverk 16:09:51 I was thinking of something like kolla on non-x86 architectures 16:10:14 krtaylor, it'll be very interesting topic 16:10:37 not sure if the audience would be large enough to get a session 16:10:43 krtaylor man all non x86 dudes will be yours ;) 16:11:30 all 5 of them?:P 16:11:43 ouch, but...yeah :p 16:11:48 (sorry, that's Intel employee in me) 16:11:55 guess so, 16:12:23 but go for it, would be cool demo of how flexible our poject is 16:12:42 yep, all boats float so to speak 16:12:49 right 16:12:57 krtaylor: building images or deployment? Or both? 16:13:37 I was thinking both, maybe even heterogeneous environments for a challange 16:13:37 hi vhosakot 16:13:42 o/ (sorry I'm late, was in another meeting) 16:13:49 hi duonghq 16:13:50 no worries vhosakot 16:13:55 krtaylor: the latter would be great topic. 16:14:10 hi vhosakot 16:14:13 vhosakot also mentioned making workshops similar to what we did in Boston 16:14:21 hi spsurya_! 16:14:25 if anyone else would be interested in co-speaking that topic, let me know 16:14:37 sbezverk: maybe you'd want to make hands on kolla-k8s workshops instead of presentation? 16:14:48 that's going to be a bit harder, but much more impactful 16:14:55 "Heterogeneous multi-architecture technology-agnostic Kolla Containers" - krtaylor 16:15:05 inc0: +1 16:15:08 inc0, if sbezverk want to do both, I think I can give one hand on workshop 16:15:11 inc0: I can do both, just never organized this type of activities 16:15:19 +1, for the workshop, like the onboarding in Boston step 2 16:15:22 so I do not know how it is done.. 16:15:23 yeah, I'm up for workshops if anyone needs help. creating the golden VMs for the workshop needs time. I recently did 2 kolla workshops but lost the VMs :( 16:15:39 sbezverk: it's fun, I'll help you with organization and after than in the room 16:15:56 sbezverk: for 2 million you can use my tool :) 16:16:02 lol 16:16:13 rwellum, sounds perfect, now just a cute title... 16:16:19 guess that sbezverk has enough hand to do both 16:16:26 workshops are great and hands-on, attendees loved it in Boston 16:16:33 +1 16:16:49 rwellum agreed 2 million molecules of H2O 16:16:55 rwellum: I'll give you 2m IRR for that 16:17:09 what cluster to use for workshop? 16:17:23 lol sbezverk inc0 16:18:06 inc0: is there a plan to do workshops for both kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s? 16:18:35 we'll need to figure something out, but I'm sure we can scrap for vms between our major fortune 100 megacorporations;) 16:18:36 i already tested many time rwellum tool :) 16:18:40 quite cool 16:18:48 i know how to use it 16:19:18 inc0: how many VMs would be needed for 1 session? 16:19:24 well, let's not spread ourselves too thin 16:19:39 sbezverk: I made 5 per person, but that's not required 16:19:55 last time OpenStack Foundation offered 1 vm per person 16:20:12 and if this will be a thing again, we can at least do aio, not a bad thing too 16:20:54 ok 1 VM for AIO kolla-k8s should be doable even within my lab if it is for not more than 25 poeple at the time 16:20:55 inc0: +1 16:21:09 sbezverk: I had 100+ people;) 16:21:23 it's going to be 100+ probably 16:21:33 inc0: :) you have intel to back you up with hardware 16:21:54 I can get only routers ;) 16:21:58 sbezverk: I'll check with my lab- there might be something we can do. 16:22:06 sbezverk: riiiight, I'm only one from datacenter hardware company here;) 16:22:52 anyway, sbezverk that would make totally awesome workshops 16:22:55 for kolla-k8s 16:23:22 inc0: sure the only thing worries me is hardweare 16:23:34 we'll figure something out 16:23:52 sbezverk: in my (our company), if is tough to host VMs for a public workshop, I tried and failed 3 times. however, I succeeded in hosting VMs for an internal workshop organized by our company (like Cisco Live). 16:24:21 rwellum can you participate in this workshop even if you do not get h/w? 16:24:28 again, last time OVH (I think) donated vms for workshops 16:24:29 I recently did 2 kolla workshops for 50+ people, each person getting 2 VMs for kolla-ansible. 16:24:30 sbezverk: yes would like too. 16:24:58 so if that'd be true again, we could at least do AIO 16:25:18 so we can get help from OpenStack Foundation for that 16:25:39 let's not worry about that just yet 16:25:47 sbezverk: I can help too with the workshops 16:25:53 The last workshop I went to - people used digital ocean. You get a certain amount of credit free - was fine for a 1-day workshop. 16:26:07 vhosakot : cool 16:26:14 yeah, many people use DO VMs 16:26:16 let's do it then.. 16:26:18 I will also try to arrange some VMs from NEC 16:26:35 cool sbezverk, would be totally awesome 16:26:54 So sbezverk now you have to resubmit? Or new? 16:26:57 vhosakot: another topic, can we wrap up Upgrade talk submission right after meeting? To not keep Duong late 16:27:15 rwellum I will add second one 16:27:21 +1 sbezverk 16:27:22 inc0: yes 16:27:31 thank inc0 vhosakot 16:27:34 and add you and vhosakot as co-presenters 16:27:43 inc0: lets work on upgrade talk and send duonghq to bed soon :) 16:27:45 WFM 16:28:04 sbezverk: cool, let me know if you need help writing the abstract 16:28:13 sbezverk: in any case, I'll help you with workshops out there 16:28:46 vhosakot: after you help duonghq - ping me and we can finalize our submission with inc0 ? 16:28:49 inc0: thanks a lot, sorry I should also add you to the list to look more solid :) 16:29:01 please don't sbezverk 16:29:09 inc0: ok 16:29:10 I'm already on 4 presentations;) 16:29:36 I see so you will not have time to eat your kangaroo steak 16:29:41 rwellum: cool, will sure. 16:29:50 yeah, that would be a bummer 16:30:12 we need to find a way to make team photo with an actual Koala 16:30:28 YES 16:30:35 +1 inc0 16:30:38 inc0: +1 16:30:45 hmm, so somebody need to bring an Koala to summit, so far so good 16:31:19 let's not traumatize poor animal and find koala that's used to have photo ops 16:31:29 what's better place in the worlds than Sydney for that 16:31:38 I am sure there is a zoo in Sydney 16:31:43 with bunch of those 16:32:27 just team outing to the zoo with photo session 16:32:30 we'll also need a healthy supply of Kolla stickers 16:32:30 https://taronga.org.au/animal/koala 16:32:33 I'm sorry but after all other topic, I want to bring my rolling upgrade ps (again) 16:32:39 I'm fairly sure it's going to be popular 16:32:46 inc0, ya, I need some more stickers 16:33:02 I already drain out mine 16:33:04 go ahead duonghq we digressed pretty far 16:33:42 inc0, thanks, I drafted one solution for rolling upgrade keystone here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/480081/ 16:33:59 and prototype one Ansible strategy here: 16:34:04 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482863/ 16:34:17 ah, sorry, should we change the topic? 16:34:37 no worries, I'll just end this one and move to open discussion 16:34:51 #topic open discussion 16:35:06 the basic idea is due to we cannot do serial on task level, I make an pseudo serial 16:35:10 as Ansible strategy 16:35:49 but I need more eyeballs on my idea 16:36:17 I'll review it 16:36:32 but agree that would be quite a change in our core 16:36:36 so we need to be careful 16:37:13 one thing duonghq 16:37:23 sure, I base the strategy on linear strategy, which is default one (and we are currently running on this), only some task has tag is affected 16:37:28 I see you're including some deep ansible structures 16:37:37 make sure nothing you import is licensed with GPL v 3 16:38:02 that license is huge pain in Ansible 16:38:28 hmm, I need reviewing the term of GPLv3, I'm not sure inherit the class is legal? 16:39:09 well, it would mena you need to license your code with GPLv3 16:39:25 which is very fuzzy situation 16:39:39 iirc, some body get this complicated situation before 16:39:47 yeah, me 16:40:25 do you have any suggestion on workaround this? 16:40:30 with your experience? 16:40:32 nope 16:40:34 ;) 16:40:38 no idea 16:41:29 so I guess that I should figure out another way for our issue on rolling upgrade. As egonzalez90 point out, only one issue left: we cannot restart all container at the same time 16:41:38 yeah 16:41:47 also parts of ansible are actually apache 16:41:58 so if parts you import are apache, then we're good 16:42:02 just make sure they are 16:42:38 anything else duonghq? 16:42:57 so, if it's in good case, we can use my solution? 16:43:06 let me review it;) 16:43:10 ya, thanks 16:43:16 that's all from me 16:43:19 but at least it will be just technical 16:43:32 from my side, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/482217/ 16:43:39 this is important 16:43:55 keep an eye, as soon as gates pass, we need to merge it 16:44:04 roger 16:44:20 since we increased number of gates infra can't handle our tarballs traffic 16:44:36 ah, why all of our gate is non-voting now? 16:44:42 infra guys created proxy cache for that and this starts using it 16:44:57 deploy gates weren't voting ever 16:45:38 that's it from me 16:45:53 anything else? 16:45:55 I have an issue I need to discuss 16:45:59 go ahead 16:46:07 I was hopping Jeffrey4l would be around 16:46:16 but it seems he did not join 16:46:23 it is about this PS https://review.openstack.org/#/c/481858/4 16:46:55 I feel that I am forced into a solution which does not have technical advantages 16:47:26 sbezverk: let's try to catch him later in afternoon 16:47:27 other than to be consistent with kolla-ansible approach 16:47:44 I'll also review this 16:48:23 inc0: ok I just point out that the major difference between kolla-ansible and kolla-k8s is version agnostic for latter 16:48:49 hence it impose a certain rule 16:49:01 like charts must be version agnostic 16:49:25 right 16:49:26 and deal with version specific requirements in the deployment or packaging tool 16:49:55 what Jeffrey4l is forcing is to add version logic into cinder-volume and I am completely against it 16:50:16 let's catch him afternoon or discuss in ps 16:50:18 :) 16:50:30 inc0: ok agreed 16:50:45 anyone else? 16:51:24 guess not:) 16:51:26 thanks all! 16:51:32 #endmeeting kolla