15:59:08 #startmeeting kolla 15:59:09 Meeting started Wed Aug 9 15:59:08 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:10 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:59:12 The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 15:59:18 #topic w00t 15:59:26 what's up guys?:) w00t! 15:59:54 woot 16:00:07 0/ 16:00:25 woot 16:00:37 o/ wo0t 16:00:46 w00t! 16:00:59 w00t 16:01:26 o/ 16:03:41 #topic announcements 16:03:55 Soo, we are in rc-1 week 16:04:46 since we're release-trailing, final release can be 2 weeks later than reguar openstack 16:05:07 but I'd like to freeze features after this week 16:05:09 o/ 16:05:50 and focus heavily on testing up until PTG, which coincides with release-trailing dealdine 16:06:17 we'll talk about feature freeze exceptions later in the meeting 16:06:25 any community announcements 16:06:26 ? 16:07:09 #topic PTG planning 16:07:16 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning 16:07:20 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-planning 16:07:53 let's take another look at this list 16:08:20 do we have any other topic to talk about that's not in the list? Especially kolla-ansible/images part? 16:09:10 maybe the sdn focused kolla? 16:09:15 inc0: there were some questions/concerns with the tripleo team? 16:09:46 rwellum: yeah, we'll schedule time for that too, I was thinking Friday 16:09:47 Well that was k8s tho 16:09:53 +1 16:09:56 egonzalez: sounds good 16:10:33 for cross session - what about infra use of kolla images for upstream CI testing 16:10:55 I see lots of basic questions every day - what does this interface do etc - the kolla-ansible documentation is quite good - but is there something that can be improved? 16:11:19 +1 krtaylor - I have a Cinder core on my team and I am pushing him this way - they are quite interested. 16:11:23 you might be first person ever saying our docs are good;) 16:11:46 maybe...worth talking about imho 16:12:03 re: docs, I'll help with the quick-start, there are a few things I'd like to see clarified there 16:12:11 inc0: better than the kolla-k8s docs :) 16:12:12 inc0: they used to be excelent, but there is always room for improvment. 16:12:34 well I'm more than happy to make queens a docs release 16:12:35 krtaylor: yes the quick start has some issues imo 16:12:44 we did a lot of work with gates during pike 16:13:52 docs release means? Lots of reviews and checking? 16:14:09 there is also the topic of kolla as a devstack replacement. there was some work done in that space but i dont know if its something we want to seriosuly discusss at the ptg 16:14:25 taking a long careful look at what we have and what can be improved 16:14:47 sean-k-mooney, dvsm replacement is what I meant by upstream CI use 16:14:59 well I wouldn't use word replacement, but there are mechanism to help develop openstack stuff using kolla 16:16:02 krtaylor: there was also https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/doc/kolla-for-openstack-development.rst 16:16:29 * krtaylor looks 16:16:32 sean-k-mooney: krtaylor the tool I have in review, ko.py - effectively does this - I'm thinking about adding pycharms, and then there's the dev-mode addition someone did? 16:16:56 rwellum: we already have this functionality with kolla-ansible 16:17:11 it installs faster than devstack;) especially when we add image upstream 16:17:13 right, although dev mode may be different 16:17:44 well not really. With dev mode you can use upstream master source image and mount different source 16:17:50 inc0+ lol re docs 16:17:51 rwellum: the devmode work i linked was done by egonzalez if i remember correctly. in any respect is this a topic we want to cover at the ptg 16:18:03 Yes I think so - imo 16:18:13 +1 added to etherpad 16:18:32 my question would be who really wants that (besides us) 16:18:35 because it will encourage cross OpenStack Services to use kolla and give us greater visibility. 16:18:39 but that's something we can ask there 16:18:43 Cinder team does inc0 16:18:53 Also Cyborg and ironic 16:19:01 well if cinder team would carry the mantle and move to kolla-based dev 16:19:27 we need code writers to help us polish dev experience 16:19:30 inc0: I can introduce you to the core who is driving this and possible Queens PTL. 16:19:38 cool, let's do that 16:19:55 we could work closely and make it happen during queens 16:20:02 we are very interested in it for our third-party ci environment, based on upstream infra 16:20:03 we already have mechanism for that 16:20:40 krtaylor: well the kolla ci is already using kolla to deploy openstack as a dvsm replacement. 16:20:47 PTG would be great place to grab someone from infra and draft a full plan for ti 16:21:03 krtaylor: it may be posible to make that more generic for your own reuses 16:21:35 sean-k-mooney, we need it to be what upstream uses, that way we don't fork/reinvent 16:22:21 anyway, I'd sure participate in a discussion at PTG 16:22:46 ok, I'm sure we'll also find a lot of topics ad hoc 16:22:54 so I don't want to overload schedule really 16:22:58 didn't work out last time;) 16:23:48 We would simply have an ansible 'devstack' playbook for kolla no? Maybe with and without k8s as needed or preferred. 16:23:48 if anyone have any other ideas, feel free to just dump them in etherpad 16:23:58 rwellum: we have it already 16:24:00 kinda 16:24:24 you just specify dev_mode: true in globals 16:24:24 That's great inc0 - we need to advertise and plan on others using it. 16:25:10 and coordinate the nodepool retrofit, etc 16:25:24 right, there are 2 angles 16:25:38 1 - devs can use it to just dev 16:25:43 2 - infra gates 16:25:57 true 16:26:21 since infra already have images available (and it'll only be better in the future), it can be faster than devstack 16:26:35 WAY faster 16:26:39 Infra uses devstack? 16:26:44 yes 16:26:44 for gates 16:26:47 urgh 16:26:57 well it's working so it's cool;) 16:26:58 yep, hence my interest :) 16:27:18 but every bit of resourcces freed up can be really useful 16:27:24 currently https://github.com/openstack/kolla-ansible/blob/master/tools/setup_gate.sh + bootstrap playbook + normal kolla build/deploy efectivlly replace dvsm in the kolla jobs. they are somewhat kolla specific now but should be reusable 16:27:52 there will be a bit more to be done as we'd need to pull specific patch 16:27:57 but devmode makes it managable 16:28:22 inc0: event without that the git source build support world enable that 16:28:49 well, there are few ways to address that 16:28:58 I'll try to get someone from infra in room 16:29:01 I bet there would be lots of infra interest in speeding up the gate 16:29:04 just need to correclty modify the kolla-build based on the gerrit envs. 16:29:29 zuulv3 may handle a lot of that, I don't know yet 16:29:35 question is how big it'll really be and how much work 16:29:46 and what impact on existing jobs 16:29:54 anyway, we'll discuss that on PTG 16:30:02 so let's not do it here and now;) 16:30:09 +1 16:30:12 +1 16:30:27 so, I'll cut out PTG discussion and we'll continue next week too 16:30:27 but i think make is one of the priority items please 16:31:11 so again, feel free to add anything during week 16:31:27 #topic Feature freeze 16:31:39 So as I said, I'd like to cut out features this week 16:31:48 any outstanding features we really really want to finish? 16:32:20 dpdk from me, but that might land this week 16:32:21 I would like have ovs-dpdk 16:32:26 seem that ansible-become and keystone and neutron upgrade does not land in P? 16:32:55 duonghq: ansible become might, rolling upgrade will really need strategy right? 16:33:03 Also, i have blazar ansible change who need code reviews 16:33:24 inc0: ill try my best i think its close. 16:33:33 inc0, yeah, I have not figured out any way to do this without strategy 16:33:40 egonzalez90, do you have any other ideas? 16:34:12 let's target that for Queens then 16:34:41 okay, the problem with keystone w/o strategy is we will have downtime 16:34:52 (which is not intend of keystone zero-downtime upgrade) 16:34:56 for rolling upgrade is serial 1 not an option without a strategy plugin? 16:35:19 sean-k-mooney: I wouldn't advice that for users tbh 16:35:33 will make stuff much more complex at scale 16:35:55 switching ks images is sub-second thing 16:36:30 ya, so without strategy, we only have a small down-time here 16:36:37 right 16:36:47 can it land on P, and zero-downtime will be in place in Q? 16:37:15 but we have it today right? Anyway let's try to land it 16:37:37 yes, we have it today, I only need removing strategy stuff, which is very easy thing 16:37:47 let's do this 16:38:12 so, I'll fix it and ping you in tomorrow, after double test it 16:38:22 can we add it to FFE? 16:38:23 cool, thanks 16:38:26 sure 16:38:31 thanks 16:38:43 so, to summarize, dpdk, upgrades, become 16:38:54 and blazar 16:39:35 can everyone link reviews here: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-p-ffe ? 16:39:50 so we can prioritize these reviews and help merge it asap 16:40:44 and after this week we -2 all changes not related to these and not bug fixes until we branch out queens 16:41:01 roger 16:41:41 roger 16:41:42 inc0: can we include https://review.openstack.org/#/c/408876/ as part of dpdk 16:42:22 its need to configure hugepages automatically otherwise its an admin step pre deploy 16:42:40 yeah let's try 16:43:05 also doc patch would need to land in this list 16:43:31 it wont prevent dpdk from working if it does not land just an addtional manual step. yep ill be working on a docs patch tomorow 16:44:00 right, so lower priority 16:44:11 we either do this there or in docs 16:44:38 but if we do this, we might as well make it automatic, we'll see 16:45:11 ok, I think that's it, lets focus on these changes 16:46:30 ok, let's have few minutes of open discussion 16:46:34 #topic open discussion 16:46:42 anyone? 16:47:04 Everyone voted for summit presos? 16:47:40 I did early and often! 16:47:55 summit presos? 16:47:56 anybody go to PTG? I will not 16:48:04 :( 16:48:24 im still waiting for travel approval but likely will be there 16:48:27 Sydney summit presentations sean-k-mooney 16:48:47 rwellum: ah :) 16:48:51 I got approval - but was not impressed that the group rate for hotels ran out in like 2 days.. 16:49:01 sean-k-mooney, rwellum nice 16:49:31 I think summit sessions are announced this Friday 16:49:48 IIRC 16:51:00 LIke in two days? 16:51:56 * krtaylor looking for the link 16:52:07 I believe so, thats what I remember 16:52:49 interesting 16:52:58 that's very far from summit 16:53:02 * britthouser is hopeful 16:54:51 ok, I'll give all of us few minutes of our lives back:) 16:54:57 thank you all for coming! 16:55:03 #endmeeting