15:59:21 <inc0> #startmeeting kolla 15:59:21 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Oct 11 15:59:21 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is inc0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:59:22 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:59:24 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 15:59:25 <inc0> #topic w00t! 15:59:26 <duonghq> o/ 15:59:27 <inc0> o/ 15:59:36 <chason> o/ 15:59:42 <inc0> still no agenda;) 16:00:09 <spsurya__> w00t ! 0/ 16:00:21 <spsurya__> i added below one 16:00:24 <vhosakot> o/ 16:00:26 <egonzalez> woot! 16:02:19 <hrw> o/ 16:03:57 <chason> Hello guys, I have registered one bp here https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format. How about to discuss it? :D 16:04:39 <inc0> chason: yeah sure 16:04:48 <inc0> #topic announcements 16:04:58 <inc0> 1. Zuul v3 is rolling soon (again) 16:05:10 <inc0> was suppoised to roll today but infra folk deal with other issues 16:05:43 <inc0> anyway, when it rolls, we're going back to code freeze till gates are fixed. We're close, but that'll take some time, hopefully less than a day 16:06:04 <hrw> thanks for info 16:06:38 <inc0> 2. I learned last week that I'm not going to summit (:() so please, if someone is going, let me know - we need to take care of Kolla stuff there and I'll need your help with this 16:07:14 <inc0> ok let's move on to meeting 16:07:17 <vhosakot> inc0: I'm going and will do the forum session to collect feedback about kolla form users/ops. 16:07:22 <gema> o/ 16:07:25 <inc0> #topic docs format 16:07:27 <coolsvap> o/ 16:07:30 <inc0> chason: go ahead 16:09:01 <krtaylor> o/ 16:09:30 <inc0> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/optimize-the-documentation-format 16:09:37 <inc0> well ok I think it's self explanatory 16:10:05 <egonzalez> Isn't our docs in rst format? 16:10:14 <inc0> I think they are 16:10:21 <inc0> I can't recall any non-rst piece 16:10:23 <chason> egonzalez nop. 16:10:30 <inc0> really? 16:10:53 <hrw> and how it correlates with krtaylor doc changes? 16:11:02 <inc0> not that much hrw 16:11:04 <chason> egonzalez the current rst format is just looks old. 16:11:05 <krtaylor> so, we have a bp for reworking the documentation in queens to fit the new format 16:11:09 <egonzalez> They are but not follow all standards 16:12:33 <inc0> chason: can we test new approach with our docs somehow? 16:14:58 <chason> egonzalez Exactly 16:16:25 <egonzalez> Is the new sphinx/docstheme version changed? 16:16:29 <gema> shouldn't we just have one BP to do both things? 16:16:41 <gema> i.e. create the new documentation on the new format and deprecate the old doc? 16:16:48 <gema> instead of reworking what we have? 16:16:56 <krtaylor> yep, thats what we have :) 16:17:04 <gema> ah, good, sorry catching up here :D 16:17:25 <krtaylor> chason, what makes this different? 16:18:52 <chason> I think we need to update our doc format following all standards before we can rework them. 16:19:13 <egonzalez> +1 to a single blueprint, this can be a work item on the main doc rework 16:19:23 <hrw> +1 too 16:19:57 <duonghq> +1 too 16:20:20 <hrw> and then I would give decision to krtaylor as he knows where we are with rework 16:20:47 <inc0> chason: when do you upgrade theme? 16:20:58 <krtaylor> so the idea was to move to the new layout, then have contributors rework individual docs rewriting/refreshing 16:21:45 <chason> I will start it tomorrow. 16:21:47 <krtaylor> we have 2 ToC layout patchsets proposed kolla, kolla-ansible 16:22:08 <egonzalez> One was merged yesterday iirc 16:22:32 <krtaylor> chason, it would be good for you to jump on the etherpad and pick a doc you want to rewrite and go for it 16:22:37 <egonzalez> chason, will docs gate break if docs style dont match? 16:23:29 <krtaylor> no, AIUI projects can override as they see fit, it is a recommendation 16:23:46 <chason> egonzalez never mind. 16:25:03 <krtaylor> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/kolla/+spec/queens-doc-restructure 16:25:06 <chason> I will upgrade them strictly following by documentation contributor guide. 16:26:04 <krtaylor> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-doc-restructure 16:26:45 <krtaylor> this is the etherpad for keeping track of which individual docs are being worked on, just put (chason) infront of one and go 16:27:22 <inc0> thank you chason for help 16:27:37 <krtaylor> just list the doc you are working on under ToDo 16:27:53 <krtaylor> so noone else works on it, please 16:28:08 <krtaylor> we all dont have enough bandwidth to duplicate efforts 16:28:27 <chason> krtaylor Roger. :D 16:29:12 <chason> inc0 No matter. :p 16:29:46 <krtaylor> egonzalez, you had a question about whether the kolla docs should be under admin or user? 16:30:05 <krtaylor> I thought we agreed under admin, inc0 ? 16:31:34 <inc0> yeah 16:32:03 <inc0> no particular reason for it, but let's do just admin 16:32:41 <krtaylor> so, let's pick one of the ToC patchsets and merge it, so we can start working on docs 16:32:54 <krtaylor> I don't care which 16:34:02 <inc0> ok, anything else in this topic? 16:37:10 <inc0> guess not 16:37:15 <rwellum> A very late WooT -sorry! 16:37:24 <inc0> #topic open discussion 16:37:25 <inc0> anyone? 16:37:29 <spsurya__> hi rwellum 16:37:46 <spsurya__> inc0: yes 16:37:55 <mgoddard> hi folks 16:38:03 <inc0> spsurya__: shoot 16:38:14 <spsurya__> https://launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+milestone/queens-1 16:38:14 <spsurya__> https://launchpad.net/kolla/+milestone/queens-1 16:38:14 <spsurya__> https://launchpad.net/kolla-kubernetes/+milestone/0.7.0 16:38:34 <spsurya__> inc0: we need target the feature for release 16:38:48 <spsurya__> in fact for every release 16:38:55 <spsurya__> based PTG discussion 16:39:12 <spsurya__> so that review can be prioritize 16:39:40 <inc0> well, we never really done it 16:39:42 <rwellum> spsurya__: we also have the etherpad of kolla-k8s 1.0 16:40:02 <spsurya__> rwellum: yes we have 16:40:22 <spsurya__> some of them need to be converted to BPs 16:40:28 <rwellum> Yes 16:41:03 <spsurya__> rwellum: we need the revise the target too 16:41:13 <rwellum> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-queens-ptg-k8s-release-roadmap 16:41:18 <spsurya__> if I think correctly 16:41:27 <rwellum> Target? As in release? 16:41:51 <spsurya__> i mean for release 0.8.0 16:41:58 <rwellum> Oh right 16:42:19 <spsurya__> then for 0.9.0 for finally 1.0.0 16:43:15 <spsurya__> rwellum: inc0: just for better track 16:43:32 <inc0> well we're very light on process 16:43:51 <inc0> we barely use blueprints really;) 16:44:00 <spsurya__> yeah 16:44:19 <inc0> I'd start by moving to storyboard if we want it 16:46:01 <spsurya__> would be good :) 16:47:18 <spsurya__> thanks that is all from my side 16:47:35 <inc0> ok, mgoddard you wanted to say something too? 16:47:37 <mgoddard> I have an item for open discussion: future of kayobe & kolla-ansible. It would be good to discuss how these projects will coexist going forward, whether there is any interest in picking up kayobe in some form as a kolla deliverable, or alternatively pushing some kayobe functionality into kolla-ansible 16:47:39 <inc0> thank you Surya 16:48:13 <mgoddard> inc0 sensed my finger hovering over the return key 16:48:37 <inc0> mgoddard: I think we should discuss this on ML, that's going to be big increase in scope of kolla-ansibe 16:48:47 <inc0> another deliverable on the other hand is lighter 16:49:22 <inc0> yet another option would be to have kayobe as full fledged openstack project that consumes kolla + kolla-ansible 16:49:33 <inc0> that would give biggest flexibility for you to grow 16:50:08 <inc0> tripleo already consume Kolla images 16:50:09 <mgoddard> inc0 that's a good idea. I'll try to put together my thoughts in an email 16:50:24 <inc0> please do, and add [tc] tag to it too 16:50:36 <inc0> as these guys can provide awesome feedback too 16:51:02 <mgoddard> good thinking. 16:51:16 <inc0> thanks Mark, your work is totally awesome:) 16:52:20 <inc0> anything else? 16:52:23 <inc0> anyone? 16:52:27 <duonghq> me 16:52:33 <inc0> go ahead 16:52:38 <duonghq> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/425446/ 16:52:40 <mgoddard> I think in any outcome there are some kayobe features which might be better placed in kolla-ansible, and it would be nice to push them down. I'll try to think about what these are - I guess that's a more narrowly scoped kolla conversation 16:53:01 <duonghq> it's keystone zero-downtime upgrade ps, may somebody test and review it? 16:53:04 <inc0> yeah, we can break this apart too and push some stuff to k-ans 16:53:15 <duonghq> ah, sorry mgoddard 16:53:33 <mgoddard> duonghq, my bad! go ahead :) 16:54:27 <duonghq> that's all from me, I only want to re-raise the ks patchset, then I or somebody can work on other services upgrade logic 16:54:37 <inc0> thanks 16:54:47 <inc0> we're at the time, so thank you all for coming! 16:54:58 <inc0> #endmeeting kolla