16:00:25 #startmeeting kolla 16:00:26 Meeting started Wed May 9 16:00:25 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is Jeffrey4l. 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16:04:47 #topic glance deprecation (duonghq) 16:04:53 duonghq, your floor 16:04:58 thank Jeffrey4l 16:05:04 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/kolla-ansible/+bug/1769837 16:05:06 Launchpad bug 1769837 in kolla-ansible "glance-registry is deprecated" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to Duong Ha-Quang (duonghq) 16:05:41 Glance deprecated glance-registry in Queens but it only be removed since S 16:06:16 so should we keep glance-registry logic (image and Ansible) in our code, just disable glance-registry, wait for S and removed it totally 16:06:21 or we remove it now? 16:06:32 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/566804 16:06:37 i think we should just remove glance-registry on kolla-ansible side and mark glance-registry image as deprecation in this cycle and remove it at S 16:06:43 this is my ps for 1st approach 16:07:22 the current PS looks good 16:07:30 hold off till S to remove completely 16:07:33 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/565248/1 16:07:41 this is patch from caoyuan for 2nd approach 16:07:51 pbourke, agree 16:08:03 yeah 16:08:33 duonghq, should we handle the upgrade? 16:08:44 like remove/stop glance registry container? 16:08:50 caoyuan, how about you? what is your opinion? 16:09:15 Jeffrey4l, the registry was deprecated from Queens, and currently, it does nothing 16:09:18 just sit around 16:09:31 so I think we can safely stop and remove it 16:09:32 I agree wiht Jeffrey4l we should just remove glance-registry on kolla-ansible side and mark glance-registry image as deprecation in this cycle and remove it at S 16:10:32 since on kolla-ansible, the glance-register do nothing, remove it is safe for me 16:11:02 I believe that currently, we have balance votes for 2 approaches, can we conduct a quick voting 16:11:19 I agree with caoyuan if we work on it as whitebox problem 16:11:33 and my approach is kind of blackbox solution 16:13:15 since we are a deployment tool. deprected glance-registry is meaning nothing for kolla. when upstream already mark some feature as deprecated. 16:13:39 there is no need to keep it in deployment tool and we should move the recommended ways. 16:14:34 and in the old we are following "stable-policy" tags, which may block us to to so. 16:14:48 but now the tag is removed from all deployment tool 16:15:49 then any advise? 16:16:18 btw please check http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2018-April/129265.html 16:16:40 if we deprecate, could a deployer apply configuration to use it if they wanted/need to 16:17:14 I hold my approach, which flows spec in glance: https://specs.openstack.org/openstack/glance-specs/specs/queens/approved/glance/deprecate-registry.html 16:17:56 mgoddard, but glance-registry do nothing now as duonghq saied. why a deployer wanna that ;/ 16:18:40 if there is no way to configure it to be useful, then I guess it should be removed 16:19:52 on the other hand, there are lots of times that kolla have no time to mark some feature as deprecated, and just remove some removed feature by upstream. like recently keystone uuid feature. 16:22:03 hrm i am just thinking of nova-network, which marked as deprecated for several cycle... maybe deprecated is more safe. 16:22:53 so i changed my mind.. we need a deprecation on kolla-ansible side. 16:23:02 just follow the upstream projects 16:23:12 its easiest and safest 16:23:18 pbourke, agree 16:23:52 so let's review duonghq patch and caoyuan please abandon yours. 16:24:09 ok 16:24:28 thank you Jeffrey4l pbourke caoyuan mgoddard 16:24:43 let's move on 16:24:47 #topic rolling upgrade implementation (duonghq) 16:24:51 still yours duonghq 16:25:14 yeah, hope that you still have some interesting with rolling upgrade 16:25:36 easy first 16:25:50 about glance rolling upgrade, I quite finish my implementation 16:25:54 #like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/534611/ 16:25:59 *almost finish 16:26:05 please help me review that 16:26:17 cool 16:26:25 duonghq: will do 16:26:58 thanks, let me remove the WIP in commit title 16:27:06 so move to the harder one 16:27:21 the neutron 16:27:26 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/407922/ 16:27:37 You can see that all gate is red 16:27:51 which I got the log here: http://logs.openstack.org/22/407922/27/check/kolla-ansible-centos-source/451e8f9/primary/logs/docker_logs/bootstrap_neutron.txt.gz 16:28:08 from my pov, it seems that problem from neutron itself? 16:30:36 do you get the same issue locally? 16:30:46 no, it is only happen in gate 16:31:27 even with the same container images? 16:32:22 I build the image by myself 16:32:32 without any modification from kolla master 16:33:26 duonghq, we can just file a bug and ask for help from neutron team 16:34:04 Jeffrey4l, you mean that we can file a bug to neutron team? 16:34:08 there is "--expand" parameter. even if we are calling it in wrong, the error message is too mislead 16:34:27 anybody could file a bug. 16:34:51 but only the team member cloudl manage bugs. 16:35:32 sure, tomorrow I'll file a bug to neutron team 16:36:31 duonghq: a little googling points towards plugins been involved with this issue 16:36:38 duonghq: I see networking_infoblox referenced in the trace 16:37:00 would suggest disabling these if possible and retrying? 16:37:54 pbourke, sure, thank you, I'll try it tomorrow 16:38:00 plugins are so problematic in kolla, I wish we could find a better way :/ 16:38:21 iirc, we discussed it for 1-2 cycles? 16:38:22 in PTG 16:38:30 yes its been discussed quite a bait 16:38:32 *bit 16:38:35 but no good conclusions 16:38:40 at least that Im aware of 16:38:47 during run db migrateion, neutron run all plugins in default. we cloud/should add the sub-project parameter. 16:39:13 half the problem to me is really the way the plugins integrate with neutron, more so than the way kolla manages them 16:40:04 but maybe we find a more reliable way to enable them 16:41:07 okay, should we move on? duonghq 16:41:24 sure, thank you very much 16:41:32 #topic Open Discussion 16:41:41 any voluteer? 16:41:59 Jeffrey4l: I didn't add it to the list, but does kolla have any plans for vancouver in general? 16:42:18 pbourke: perfect segue with the neutron plugins :-) 16:42:20 I see we're not on the forum schedule, so I take that to mean there's no official space 16:42:43 is anyone else here going? 16:42:44 yep. kolla team have two session. 16:42:52 sadasu: ;) 16:42:57 project update 16:43:05 and on boarding session 16:43:12 I have a spec out https://review.openstack.org/567278 16:43:19 I didn't see it mentioned here https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15hkU0FLJ7yqougCiCQgprwTy867CGnmUvAvKaBjlDAo/edit#gid=1998591996 16:43:33 kolla team, please take a look and provide comments 16:43:44 sadasu: I'll add to my list 16:44:02 didn't know of the existence of the spreadsheet 16:44:05 let me update it 16:44:08 i still not get my visa, it is applied 1 month ago. ;( 16:44:16 Jeffrey4l: there's still time :) 16:44:27 Jeffrey4l: keeping fingers crossed for you 16:44:32 mgoddard: will you be there? 16:44:32 hope so :) 16:44:38 i do that every day :D 16:45:20 pbourke: one from my side too 16:45:25 Jeffrey4l: do we need volunteers for the onboarding? 16:45:30 or who is managing that 16:45:51 now i and spsurya will prepare for it. 16:45:57 I'm afraid I can't make it to the summit this time 16:45:58 pbourke: I could be a volunteer for an onboardee 16:45:59 pbourke: i will also be there 16:46:08 but any voluteer is welcome 16:46:34 here is the onboarding session https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/events/21634/kolla-project-onboarding 16:47:09 pbourke: would be great if you join 16:47:15 sure I'd be happy to 16:47:16 sadasu, re spec thanks. 16:47:35 pbourke, great 16:47:47 sadasu, thanks 16:48:14 so now, pbourke, spsurya and sadasu are sure be there, right? 16:48:29 there may be more who aren't at this meeting 16:48:45 maybe I'll send a mail around in the next few days, it would be good to know who else from kolla will be around 16:48:49 Yeah 16:49:04 agree 16:49:04 Jeffrey4l: I would be there, but I am a newbie myself 16:50:00 sadasu: this is my 1st summit 16:50:21 spsurya: not my 1st summit, but new to Kolla 16:50:58 spsurya, hope that you happy with Vancouver 16:51:14 wish that someday I can travel to Vancouver 16:51:44 duonghq: hope so 16:52:11 sadasu, but you have much experience on openstack :D 16:52:32 we're all newbies, just depends on the area :) 16:53:00 Jeffrey4l, pbourke: agreed! 16:53:18 I have a question related to the spec I have out for review 16:53:47 another part of the whole 3rd party vendor driver solution would be to handle its config 16:54:10 should I be creating a separate spec in kolla-ansible? 16:55:31 sadasu, i do not think so. when you write the spec in kolla, you need consider how it is consumer by kolla-ansible. 16:55:44 so a bp on kolla-ansible should enough 16:56:07 ok, then I will go back and add more kolla-ansible stuff to my spec 16:57:03 sadasu, we also need consider other consumer during the design. like tripleo and openstask-helm 16:57:08 on only kolla-ansible. 16:57:52 can I limit my scope for this spec to just kolla-ansible? 16:58:31 and tackle other config generation models later? 16:58:37 sadasu, the bottom like is don't break thing. 16:58:48 got it! 16:58:55 sadasu, add a general usage example should be enough. 16:59:07 ok. time is up. 16:59:14 thanks guys for comming. 16:59:16 we should get input from tripleo and helm 16:59:35 mgoddard, yes. 16:59:46 mgoddard: plan to do that during the summit 16:59:53 let us move to #openstack-kolla channel 16:59:58 #endmeeting