15:00:30 <mgoddard> #startmeeting kolla 15:00:31 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Mar 25 15:00:30 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mgoddard. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:32 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:33 <mgoddard> #topic rollcacll 15:00:34 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'kolla' 15:00:36 <mgoddard> #topic rollcall 15:00:45 <mgoddard> \o 15:01:19 <generalfuzz> o/ 15:03:57 <mgoddard> yoctozepto, mnasiadka, osmanlicilegi: meeting? 15:04:09 <osmanlicilegi> o/ 15:05:02 <yoctozepto> o/ 15:05:36 <mgoddard> #topic agenda 15:05:43 <mgoddard> * Roll-call 15:05:45 <mgoddard> * Announcements 15:05:47 <mgoddard> ** TC & PTL election season starting 24th March https://governance.openstack.org/election/ 15:05:49 <mgoddard> * Review action items from last meeting 15:05:51 <mgoddard> * CI status 15:05:53 <mgoddard> * Kolla --SIG-- (aka Kolla Klub?) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig 15:05:55 <mgoddard> * Ussuri release planning (kayobe) 15:05:57 <mgoddard> * Ussuri release planning (kolla & kolla ansible) 15:05:59 <mgoddard> #topic announcements 15:06:02 <mgoddard> #info TC & PTL election season starting 24th March 15:06:10 <mgoddard> #link https://governance.openstack.org/election/ 15:06:12 <jovial[m]> \0 15:07:35 <mgoddard> If anyone is considering running for PTL, nominations run until next tuesday 15:07:44 <mgoddard> Any other announcements? 15:07:48 <yoctozepto> why when we have mgoddard 15:08:24 <jovial[m]> praise the goddard 15:08:25 <generalfuzz> mgoddard 4l 15:08:34 <osmanlicilegi> mgoddard: if you are happy with us, please go for the next cycle :] 15:08:37 <mgoddard> always good to mix things up from time to time 15:09:31 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/kolla-ansible master: Fix kolla-ansible stop with heterogeneous hosts https://review.opendev.org/714496 15:09:37 <mgoddard> #info Kolla Klub meeting slot doodle poll https://doodle.com/poll/9g7czxmdngd5zz4t 15:10:01 <mgoddard> Please respond with your availability if you have not yet 15:10:27 <mgoddard> So far Thursday 16:00-17:00 UTC is winning 15:10:44 <mgoddard> hopefully we will not get confused by daylight saving switch this weekend 15:10:55 <mgoddard> #topic Review action items from last meeting 15:11:15 <mgoddard> mgoddard to raise a bug on Ceph job fails 15:11:17 <mgoddard> mnasiadka to look into Ceph job fails 15:11:19 <mgoddard> mgoddard to spam people about kolla SIG 15:11:21 <mgoddard> mgoddard to ask ML about uwsgi etc 15:11:25 <mgoddard> done, done, done, wontfix 15:11:45 <mgoddard> #topic CI status 15:12:05 <mgoddard> Kolla CI says RED but no issues 15:12:12 <mgoddard> (on whiteboard 15:12:18 <mgoddard> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/KollaWhiteBoard 15:12:24 <yoctozepto> issueless RED 15:12:33 <mgoddard> just assume RED 15:12:38 <mgoddard> I think it's green? 15:13:19 <mgoddard> thanks to mnasiadka for fixing the kolla-ceph issue on stable branches 15:13:55 <mgoddard> #topic Kolla --SIG-- (aka Kolla Klub?) https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kolla-sig 15:14:09 <mgoddard> We have a good list of people now 15:14:22 <mgoddard> Just need to find a slot, then we're good to go 15:14:28 <mgoddard> I have no more to say on it today... 15:14:31 <mgoddard> Anyone else? 15:15:23 <mgoddard> #topic Ussuri release planning (kayobe) 15:15:30 <mgoddard> jovial[m], dougsz, priteau 15:15:40 <mgoddard> I think priteau is busy 15:15:43 <mgoddard> what's up jovial[m]? 15:16:43 <jovial[m]> I've been slacking on the kayobe front I'm afraid. Still hoping to pick up this work on the custom extension points soon. 15:16:52 <mgoddard> that would be nice 15:17:13 <mgoddard> https://review.opendev.org/#/q/project:openstack/kayobe+status:open 15:17:22 <mgoddard> we made some good progress on reviews recently 15:17:51 <mgoddard> still a few to go 15:18:10 <mgoddard> would be good to get https://review.opendev.org/#/c/712133/ in and backported 15:18:10 <patchbot> patch 712133 - kayobe - CentOS 8: seed VM & bifrost - 3 patch sets 15:19:28 <jovial[m]> Yeah, centos 8 support would be huge. I will try an take a look today. 15:19:46 <mgoddard> Currently working on the CentOS 7 to 8 migration. Making progress 15:20:03 <mgoddard> #topic Ussuri release planning (kolla & kolla ansible) 15:20:25 <mgoddard> On the topic of 7 to 8 migration, I hit an interesting issue today 15:20:44 <mgoddard> if we have mixed 7 & 8 controllers then rabbitmq doesn't work 15:20:55 <mgoddard> 7 has 3.7.10, 8 has 3.7.24 15:21:37 <osmanlicilegi> do they have same erlang version? 15:21:38 <mgoddard> would anyone expect that combination to work? 15:21:55 <mgoddard> do they need to? 15:22:13 <osmanlicilegi> they shouldn't 15:22:54 <osmanlicilegi> but may give a clue to deep dive 15:23:30 <mgoddard> 22.1.8 on c8, 19.3.6.4 on c7 15:23:34 <yoctozepto> oh gosh 15:23:40 <mgoddard> quite a jump 15:23:52 <osmanlicilegi> it's erlang, trust me :) 15:23:57 <mgoddard> :) 15:24:17 <osmanlicilegi> please let me finish my rabbitmq upgrade work this week 15:24:29 <mgoddard> that would be good, but won't help here 15:24:34 <yoctozepto> hereby I allow you to :-) 15:24:35 <mgoddard> this is on train 15:24:51 <yoctozepto> yeah, that's pity 15:25:05 <yoctozepto> nobody upgrades rmq then 15:25:19 <mgoddard> one solution is to first upgrade rmq on c7 to 3.7.24 15:26:02 <osmanlicilegi> then? 15:26:20 <mgoddard> then it will be at the same version on c7 and c8 15:26:31 <mgoddard> we can upgrade erlang to match too 15:27:15 <yoctozepto> mgoddard: still, there is no point in time where rmq works 15:27:18 <osmanlicilegi> makes sense if we won't need to upgrade rmq for train :) 15:27:35 <mgoddard> yoctozepto: why not? 15:27:36 <yoctozepto> if you have to suddenly switch whole cluster to the new version 15:27:44 <mgoddard> oh 15:27:50 <mgoddard> well we can upgrade rmq 15:28:20 <mgoddard> we have an upgrade.yml that stops all but one, then starts up a new cluster 15:28:51 <mgoddard> problem with c7->8 is that there is a long time with mixed versions 15:29:03 <yoctozepto> oh, I see what you mean 15:29:17 <yoctozepto> still, for c7->c7 you need the same magic 15:29:30 <mgoddard> yes, which we have 15:29:41 <mgoddard> as long as you run upgrade not deploy 15:29:42 <yoctozepto> so images are there, just no right logic to handle this dump 15:30:28 <yoctozepto> why oh why rmq 15:31:03 <mgoddard> it would just be something else if not 15:31:09 <mgoddard> it's just the difficult part 15:31:27 <mgoddard> although should be easier 15:31:34 <osmanlicilegi> rmq 3.7.10 can run at most with erlang 21.x and rmq 3.7.24 can run at lest with erlang 21.3. we can try pinning erlang version to 21.3. 15:32:06 <yoctozepto> well, we probably need 22 anyway 15:32:12 <yoctozepto> it's not about preparing images 15:32:31 <yoctozepto> unless we actually need 19->20->21->22 to do it properly 15:33:10 <mgoddard> let's hope not 15:33:31 <yoctozepto> ++ 15:33:51 <mgoddard> so next question - can we upgrade rabbitmq on a stable branch? 15:34:14 <mgoddard> or do we need a separate rabbitmq-3-7-24 image? 15:34:34 <osmanlicilegi> major erlang upgrade sounds dangerous to me 15:34:38 <yoctozepto> http://paste.openstack.org/show/791143/ 15:35:16 <yoctozepto> it doesn't make sense to me; rmq is hardly rolling this way 15:35:59 <mgoddard> yeah, I thought erlang was supposed to be about reliability & availability 15:36:31 <yoctozepto> yeah, considering its adoption in telco 15:36:43 <mgoddard> anyways, sounds like we have a potential path forward 15:36:43 <yoctozepto> must be why we get bad service from time to time 15:36:45 <mgoddard> thanks 15:36:47 <yoctozepto> dunking erlang 15:37:27 <mgoddard> Do we have any other Ussuri topics to discuss? 15:38:21 <mgoddard> It should probably be noted that we agreed in a call last week with yoctozepto, mnasiadka, generalfuzz & stackedsax to park the uwsgi work for now, and continue using httpd/mod_wsgi for backend TLS 15:38:29 <osmanlicilegi> I was out for some reasons but I'm back to finish my works asap. 15:38:49 <mgoddard> good to hear osmanlicilegi 15:39:20 <generalfuzz> reviews are welcome for backend TLS: https://review.opendev.org/#/c/713986/ 15:39:21 <patchbot> patch 713986 - kolla-ansible - Add support for encrypting backend HAProxy traffic... - 5 patch sets 15:39:47 <mgoddard> +1, let's aim to merge that before next meeting 15:39:59 <mgoddard> In terms of timing for Ussuri: 15:40:01 <mgoddard> Kolla feature freeze: Apr 27 - May 01 15:40:03 <mgoddard> Kolla RC1: May 11 - May 15 15:40:05 <mgoddard> Kolla final release: Jun 1 - Jun 5 15:40:14 <mgoddard> https://releases.openstack.org/ussuri/schedule.html 15:41:03 <mgoddard> Feature freeze for most of openstack is Apr 6 - 10 15:41:13 <mgoddard> Getting close 15:42:30 <mgoddard> #topic Open discussion 15:42:55 <mgoddard> Hopefully everyone is coping in these crazy times 15:43:15 <generalfuzz> +1 15:43:42 <yoctozepto> they closed the nearby playground :-( 15:44:21 <mgoddard> you don't have kids do you yoctozepto? 15:44:33 <yoctozepto> mgoddard: no, I don't 15:44:38 <yoctozepto> but it still looks sad :-( 15:44:45 <osmanlicilegi> crazy? I'm worse than crazy :))) 15:45:08 <yoctozepto> I mean, it's a bit dull and depressing nowadays 15:45:45 <mgoddard> we at least have had some sun here 15:46:40 <mgoddard> computers are a good distraction 15:46:51 <mgoddard> as are 8 month old kids 15:47:05 <yoctozepto> aww, how is the little folk doing? :D 15:47:07 <mgoddard> doesn't leave much time for moping around 15:47:07 <generalfuzz> awww 15:47:16 <mgoddard> he's good, mostly 15:47:39 <mgoddard> his mum is going a little loopy 15:47:55 <mgoddard> he likes to shout and grunt a lot 15:48:27 <mgoddard> but you can't be annoyed for long as he's very cute 15:48:32 <yoctozepto> :-) 15:48:54 <mgoddard> the other day I was eating an apple and he laughed every time I took a bite 15:49:10 <yoctozepto> aww 15:49:22 <mgoddard> maybe I'm doing it wrong 15:49:25 <osmanlicilegi> does he have a koala shirt? if not, he should have :) 15:49:29 <yoctozepto> I somehow feel better from these stories 15:49:49 <mgoddard> no koala shirt yet, but that's a nice idea 15:49:59 <yoctozepto> koala costume 15:50:33 <mgoddard> :) 15:50:37 <osmanlicilegi> mgoddard and the koalas 15:50:53 <osmanlicilegi> why dont we have a rock group? 15:51:24 <mgoddard> I can play bass and guitar 15:51:30 <mgoddard> Or at least I could 10 years ago 15:51:36 <yoctozepto> I can play on nerves :D 15:51:46 <generalfuzz> I got keys 15:51:54 <mgoddard> The video latency might kill it though 15:52:04 <osmanlicilegi> I can play drum better than animal from muppets 15:52:19 <yoctozepto> we might borrow that cam/mic from hrw so at least it will be lively 15:52:21 <mgoddard> unless we add a 1 bar delay 15:52:22 <stackedsax> I got horns 15:52:24 <yoctozepto> :D 15:53:33 <stackedsax> osmanlicilegi: nobody can play drums better than Aminal. What are you talking about? 15:54:30 <mgoddard> ok, let's wrap up 15:54:33 <mgoddard> Thanks all 15:54:36 <mgoddard> #endmeeting