14:00:16 <frickler> #startmeeting kolla
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14:00:24 <frickler> #topic rollcall
14:00:33 <TimBeermann[m]> \o
14:00:33 <ramona-beermann[m]> o/
14:00:45 <frickler> \o/
14:00:48 <mgoddard> \o
14:00:55 <m_hiner> o/
14:02:23 <hrw> /o\
14:02:50 <frickler> #topic agenda
14:02:52 <frickler> * Announcements
14:02:52 <frickler> * Review action items from the last meeting
14:02:52 <frickler> * CI status
14:02:54 <frickler> * Release tasks
14:03:00 <frickler> * Current cycle planning
14:03:00 <frickler> * Additional agenda (from whiteboard)
14:03:01 <frickler> * Open discussion
14:03:17 <frickler> #topic Announcements
14:03:26 <frickler> next week is the PTG
14:03:55 <frickler> anything else to announce?
14:04:43 <frickler> #topic Review action items from the last meeting
14:04:46 <hrw> nothing safe enough to put in logs
14:05:39 <frickler> didn't see any action items
14:05:51 <frickler> #topic CI status
14:06:04 <frickler> ansible-lint was releasing funny things again
14:06:23 <frickler> should be fixed for now and we'll discuss next week in more detail
14:06:56 <frickler> I mentioned a periodic job failure earlier (kolla-publish-debian-source-aarch64-quay)
14:07:10 <yoctozepto> o/
14:07:16 <frickler> otherwise I think we are fine (don't say that too loud)
14:08:02 <yoctozepto> (makes sense)
14:08:12 <frickler> #topic Release tasks
14:08:35 <frickler> I missed that topic in my preparation, I think we are at RC+1
14:08:54 <frickler> anything to mention here?
14:09:15 <yoctozepto> we are lagging with opensearch and systemd, no?
14:09:42 <frickler> I think so, yes, not sure what deadline we have to get those landed
14:10:21 <frickler> but maybe deferring to after the PTG is fine?
14:11:02 <hrw> yep
14:11:10 <frickler> related:
14:11:15 <frickler> #topic Current cycle planning
14:11:45 <frickler> opensearch and systemd
14:11:58 <yoctozepto> indeed
14:12:07 <frickler> anything in particular to say about those?
14:12:27 <frickler> is opensearch just pending reviews or does it still need coding work?
14:12:46 <yoctozepto> mnasiadka: opensearch question ^
14:14:46 <frickler> so I guess we defer that question to when mnasiadka is more available
14:14:54 <yoctozepto> agreed
14:15:21 <frickler> IIUC systemd had another update, I didn't get to look at it again, though
14:15:41 <m_hiner> I would like to discuss the checks and installation of python3-dbus for the systemd
14:16:59 <m_hiner> In my VMs, usually the Centoses didn't have the the dbus python package available and it had to be installed
14:17:07 <frickler> that's about the thread that I started here I guess
14:17:10 <frickler> #link https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/816724/34/ansible/module_utils/kolla_systemd_worker.py
14:17:49 <m_hiner> yes, but also here: https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla-ansible/+/816724/32/ansible/roles/prechecks/defaults/main.yml#13
14:18:11 <yoctozepto> but we can install it on bootstrap and check for in prechecks
14:18:12 <hrw> m_hiner: python3-dbus is present in CS9
14:18:30 <m_hiner> i would like to come to some agreement here so I know how to continue
14:18:56 <hrw> m_hiner: and master does not support any previous version
14:19:14 <yoctozepto> what is the problem?
14:19:31 <frickler> is the question whether to use pypi or distro versions?
14:19:41 <hrw> also in RL9
14:19:56 <m_hiner> frickler: yes
14:20:26 <m_hiner> it may be that I was just using outdated images, so in some cases it was necessary to install the python-dbus
14:20:40 <frickler> I would strongly suggest distro version in this case, since IMO it should match the installed dbus things
14:21:01 <frickler> unless there is some issue with that which I'm missing?
14:21:26 <m_hiner> i see, so just check for dbus availability in python should be sufficient?
14:22:25 <frickler> I would think so, yes. plus maybe making sure that that pkg gets installed
14:22:36 <m_hiner> okay, thanks
14:22:52 <frickler> yoctozepto: I think your comments essentially said the same?
14:23:39 <m_hiner> yes, the checks were implemented first but i got sidetracked wit it's unavailability in my VMs
14:24:03 <m_hiner> other than that, i would like to ask more people to take a look at the patchset and possibly give their opinion on the template discussion there
14:24:07 <yoctozepto> frickler: yes
14:25:23 <frickler> I'll have a look at the template thing, too
14:25:32 <m_hiner> thank you, that's all from me
14:26:12 <frickler> thx m_hiner. anything else about the remaining short time in this cycle?
14:27:07 <mnasiadka> Opensearch is in progress on k-a side, will shout when reviews will be needed
14:27:16 <m_hiner> I think the patchset is more or less ready to be merged
14:28:01 <m_hiner> although there are some random fails in ARM64 pipelines for which I cannot pinpoint the issue
14:29:33 <frickler> is there some fixed deadline? or will we delay zed until whenever this is ready?
14:30:56 <frickler> I think random failures on arm64 may well be unrelated
14:31:44 <m_hiner> I also think so because sometimes they appear, sometimes they don't
14:32:07 <mnasiadka> We are a trailing project, iirc we can delay 2-3 months - opensearch is a must to have before release, the rest is very nice to have (if there are reviewers happy to merge and author is responding in reasonable timeframe)
14:33:25 <frickler> ok, then let's go on for now
14:33:31 <frickler> #topic Additional agenda (from whiteboard)
14:33:40 <frickler> (yoctozepto) Deprecating Monasca's friends mentioned in https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/kolla/+/860404
14:34:07 <yoctozepto> done
14:34:23 <frickler> great
14:34:38 <frickler> m_hiner: I think we already discussed your topic, too
14:34:50 <m_hiner> yes
14:35:08 <frickler> #topic Open discussion
14:35:48 <frickler> anybody anything?
14:36:24 <mnasiadka> Should we deprecate Elasticsearch or remove it with opensearch addition?
14:37:53 <frickler> is there a chance to migrate things? then maybe a deprecation cycle might be useful? assuming we can sustain that
14:39:13 <frickler> but I'd be open to either option
14:39:57 <mnasiadka> Yes, we are working on migration, but that’s going to be a direct upgrade from es to opensearch
14:40:37 <mnasiadka> Will probably propose removal once we iron out the upgrade path
14:41:21 <frickler> ok
14:41:50 <frickler> another question from me: does anyone want to use zoom for the PTG? or can we agree on meetpad?
14:43:01 <frickler> also there is still room on the etherpad to add topics
14:43:11 <frickler> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/kolla-antelope-ptg
14:44:01 <frickler> and I guess we'll obviously skip this meeting next week, not sure if that needs to be explicitly announced, mnasiadka?
14:46:33 * frickler will assume silent approval of everything
14:47:08 <frickler> so thx everyone, we'll be around in case anything else comes up
14:47:13 <frickler> #endmeeting