16:01:35 #startmeeting Large Deployments Team February 2016 Meeting 16:01:36 Meeting started Thu Feb 18 16:01:35 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:37 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:40 The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team_february_2016_meeting' 16:02:01 hello, folks 16:02:27 o/ 16:02:58 hi 16:04:04 yay! belmoreira is back 16:04:19 #topic Manchester recap 16:04:47 I think is on me :) 16:04:50 for those of us who couldn't make it, here are the notes from the LDT session there - https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Large-Deployment-Team 16:05:00 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Large-Deployment-Team 16:05:02 yes, and special thanks to belmoreira for running that session 16:05:26 Merged openstack/osops-tools-monitoring: Client compatibility fix https://review.openstack.org/281167 16:05:57 We were around 10 in the room 16:06:41 and operators that attend the session didn't particularly have a large installation 16:06:48 hmm 16:07:00 well if you “feel” large... 16:07:08 seemed like a lot of interested in cells though 16:07:15 but they expect to grow 16:07:23 how we set them up, decisions made, etc 16:08:02 most of the ops there were interested to know when make sense to run cells 16:08:50 mdorman yes, one of the problems is to define large 16:09:42 yeah - I suppose we could try to come up with a deffinition 16:09:55 but seems like we'd inadvertently leave someone out 16:10:00 the session moved more to describe CERN/Rackspace experience with cells 16:10:06 or imply they didn't fit 16:10:43 VW I dont think we gave that impression 16:10:53 no, I don't think we did 16:11:02 was saying if we tried to define "large" we might 16:11:17 i feel like the right recommendation now is to wait for v2. and then it’s kind of a moot question of cells vs. not cells… just a question of when’s the right time to scale out to more. 16:11:38 yeah, but that is dragging on :\ 16:11:49 people was simple curious how to run cells and learn/hear others for when they need to scale there infrastructure 16:12:47 VW: true. 16:13:04 John G. (johnthetubaguy) gave and update on V2 in one of the general sessions, didn't he belmoreira 16:13:12 yes 16:13:44 unfortunately I couldn't join this session 16:14:41 ah - bummer 16:14:49 the cells v2 update session basically trigger a lot of curiosity in cells and all those questions 16:15:17 makes sense 16:16:09 Yeah - I'm getting more and more interested in how we help land V2 16:16:09 I think it was interesting 16:16:44 got woken up last night specifically because of a delay in meta data between the cell and the top level 16:16:55 ready for cells issues to be "mainstream" :) 16:16:57 great to have Robert from Rackspace in the room to give his experience 16:17:01 i have the same curiosity as an operator with a small deployment, lookign at growth.. things like when the cutoff is where cells make sense, whether the transition is worthwhile or if you think you might need them deploy with it right away? (probably not with the v1/v2 stuff?). I don't want to interrupt the LDT meeting with small deployment stuff but I am glad to see that touched on in the etherpad :) 16:17:34 I have to step a way for five minutes 16:17:38 keep talking... 16:18:01 johnthetubaguy's short statement on cells v2 was basically yes it'll be in mitaka as the default, but it'll only support a single cell 16:19:04 Ops will need to deal with a new DB 16:19:18 it's already there in Liberty but was not used 16:20:07 http://www.slideshare.net/johnthetubaguy/nova-update-openstack-ops-midcycle-manchester-feb-2016 16:21:24 http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-January/084545.html (reference from https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Nova) 16:25:10 any other big news from the meetup? 16:25:51 back - sorry 16:26:02 there was a status update in Live Migration 16:26:08 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Live-migration 16:26:19 great to hear, thanks for sharing, yankcrime 16:26:49 and i this was interesting: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/MAN-ops-Top-10 16:27:22 I need to get up to speed on Live Migration. From my perspective, it's a thing. We use it all the time 16:27:33 but doesn't seem to be so for a lot of folks 16:28:09 most of the work in live migration is done 16:29:00 looks like Rob - one of our engineers was in the conversation. See a bunch of notes about our tooling in that etherpad 16:29:29 I need to leave in 5 min. 16:29:41 ah, I see belmoreira 16:29:54 any other non-mid cycle stuff you want to cover? 16:30:35 mdorman do you know more about the network segmentation spec 16:30:57 #topic Network Segmentation 16:31:03 it's still in review :) 16:32:02 ah review... :) 16:32:08 i don’t have much new info, other than that carl is trying to push it forward. 16:32:28 I know that Brian S from here was helping. I have not gotten to sit down with him on it yet, though 16:32:41 i think the neutron midcycle is in the next week or two. then klindgren and i were going to meet up with carl to see where things are at (all three of us are local here in denver) 16:32:55 nice! 16:33:05 I'll try to catch Brian before the midcycle then 16:33:08 i re-read the spec a few weeks ago and it’s quite a bit different than the original, but there was nothing that stood out to me that was a major red flag 16:33:32 it’s pretty watered down. even once this spec is approved and implemented, we’re still quite a ways off from getting everything that was in the ask. but it’s a step forward for sure. 16:34:11 mdorman yes 16:34:27 I need to leave... 16:36:06 yeah, mdorman - I'm trying to haraass some folks here about pushing more of quark into ml2 16:36:16 uphill battle at the moment 16:36:31 but trying to bridge the gaps between or public and private clouds 16:36:37 this and cells v2 are a big part of that 16:37:45 yeah, it’s all related 16:38:24 any other stuff you wanted to dive deep into, mdorman? 16:39:49 i think that covers any of our concerns at the moment. klindgren couldn’t join this morning b/c his internet is getting fixed right now, wah wah 16:40:46 gotcha 16:41:03 that's about it for me too 16:41:21 was mainly interested in getting caught up on mid-cycle 16:41:29 yup same here 16:41:45 cool - then we will wrap up early unless anyone has objections 16:42:16 i’m good. 16:42:44 cool 16:42:52 well, thanks for attending! 16:43:55 #endmeeting