16:01:43 <VW> #startmeeting Large Deployments Team Monthly Meeting 16:01:44 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Oct 15 16:01:43 2015 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is VW. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:01:44 <mdorman> o/ 16:01:45 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 16:01:48 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'large_deployments_team_monthly_meeting' 16:02:22 <klindgren> o/ 16:02:31 <VW> o/ 16:02:42 <carl_baldwin> o/ 16:02:43 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, if you wanted to lurk :-) 16:02:59 <klindgren> in before I sent - nice 16:03:02 <carl_baldwin> klindgren: ha! beat you to it. 16:03:29 <mdorman> so did we have a specific agenda here, or just general planning for the summit? if just general planning i had a couple things to bring up. 16:04:30 <klindgren> looks like VW started with tokyo summit 16:05:10 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit 16:05:19 <mdorman> here is the main etherpad: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-large-deployments-team 16:05:36 <mdorman> my goal today is to get some more details in there so we can hit the ground running 16:05:54 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - Neutron routed/segmented networks 16:06:23 <klindgren> So I am thinking that we are going to be having a discussion on that in a specific neutron session 16:06:33 <klindgren> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-network-model 16:06:41 <mdorman> so on that one, our last meeting we’d talked about trying to organize some representation from Neutron to attend. VW i think maybe you said you had a couple people on your end you’d talk to. did anything come of that? are there neutron folks we need to coordinate with. 16:06:55 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, can confirm on ^^ 16:07:01 <mdorman> klindgren: ah ok so there is actually a separate session for that? 16:07:01 <carl_baldwin> klindgren: I don’t think it is scheduled to a slot yet but I’ll check on that. 16:07:20 <carl_baldwin> I expect it will be soon. 16:07:26 <mdorman> cool 16:07:29 <drwahl> o/ 16:07:35 <klindgren> o/ 16:07:52 <klindgren> *\o/* 16:07:54 <klindgren> lol 16:07:58 <mdorman> carl_baldwin: is there anything else we as LDT/ops can be doing to help with this at this point? other than commenting on the spec? 16:08:05 <mdorman> trying to come up with concrete things we can ask people to do 16:08:11 <VW> yes, mdorman two are coming from my end 16:08:16 <VW> do they need to moderate 16:08:52 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: The recent discussion with kevinbenton has left me wondering if I understand the operators’ perspectives well enough. 16:09:18 <mdorman> VW, sounds like it might be more productive for some LDT folks to go to the neutron discussion. can you post their names in the etherpad, or here, so that i can reach out to them to coordinate? 16:09:23 <carl_baldwin> I’ve been picking klindgren ’s brain a bit and would like to talk to a few more who were represented by this request originally. 16:09:26 <klindgren> carl_baldwin, expressed interest in talking about the spec between now and tokyo with some end users to reinforce his understanding 16:09:35 <mdorman> cool 16:09:48 <VW> mdorman - Ben Burdick and Joel Preas 16:09:51 <mdorman> anything you two want from the rest of us to help pull that together? 16:10:07 <VW> I'm thinking we meet online next week 16:10:33 <VW> re: the Neutron stuff 16:10:41 <mdorman> VW with ben and joel, you mean, or with carl and kris and other ops? 16:10:47 <klindgren> yea and trying to see if we can get sorrinson/CERN on it? 16:11:22 <VW> carl and kris 16:11:29 <mdorman> k 16:11:41 <mdorman> so kris you want that action to get something pulled together next week? 16:11:53 <klindgren> yea 16:12:15 <VW> it will be hard to get sorrison and CERN at the same time 16:12:30 <klindgren> well individually :-D 16:12:39 <mdorman> #action klindgren to organize time next week for carl_baldwin and other operators to discuss neutron segmented networks 16:12:45 <klindgren> someone be up until midnight - openstack needs you! 16:12:56 <carl_baldwin> If we can’t pull everyone together at the same time, I can reach out to subsets of the group individually. 16:13:02 <mdorman> #action mdorman will coordinate with ben and joel for time to meet at the summit 16:13:37 <mdorman> anything else about the neutron stuffs right now? 16:13:47 <carl_baldwin> No, thanks! 16:13:56 <carl_baldwin> … not from me anyway. 16:13:58 <klindgren> just: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-ops-painpoints 16:14:07 <mdorman> appreciate all your work on this stuff carl_baldwin ! 16:14:08 <mdorman> ah yes. 16:14:24 <mdorman> #action people should fill in their neutron pain points on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/mitaka-neutron-next-ops-painpoints 16:14:43 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: Yes, I nearly forgot. Thanks. 16:15:18 <mdorman> was there a session scheduled specifically for the pain points discussion? or that’s pending the schedule too? 16:15:51 <mdorman> carl_baldwin: ^ 16:15:54 <mriedem> mdorman: your attach/detach interfaces for cells v1 thing is going to run into a testing problem, b/c we don't have a ci job yet for cells + neutron 16:16:04 <mriedem> mdorman: so i'm taking a look at that since that's a job we want long-term in nova anyway 16:16:19 <mdorman> mriedem: cool yeah i’ve been seeing your comments come through. 16:16:44 <carl_baldwin> mdorman: Still pending. 16:16:50 <mdorman> carl_baldwin: cool thanks 16:16:56 <carl_baldwin> Actually, we’re working out the schedule now. Hopefully, it won’t take long. 16:17:17 <mdorman> that’s fine. i’ll watch for that so i can update the LDT etherpad. 16:17:34 <mdorman> ok everybody happy with neutron topics for now? 16:18:00 <klindgren> yes 16:18:20 <DinaBelova> o/ heh, I thought the meeting will be 40 1 hour later :) sorry, joining now :) 16:18:39 <mdorman> DinaBelova: np 16:18:50 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - performance issues 16:19:01 <mdorman> so this etherpad has grown quite a bit: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-performance-issues 16:19:05 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/openstack-performance-issues 16:19:15 <DinaBelova> folks, so our session was approved :) 16:19:16 <DinaBelova> http://mitakadesignsummit.sched.org/event/b37803981e2d3e3a93c1bf7f25637fc0#.Vh_AMbzUBcZ 16:19:20 <mdorman> thinking we check with Tom and see if we can get a separate session for this. 16:19:28 <DinaBelova> no need :) 16:19:30 <VW> nice - we were squeezing a ton in to our session 16:19:35 <DinaBelova> I conquered cross-project session 16:19:38 <DinaBelova> :) 16:19:42 <klindgren> awesome 16:20:08 <DinaBelova> so we'll be able to discuss all in person 16:20:41 <mdorman> perfect, thanks DinaBelova 16:20:52 <DinaBelova> so I encourage you folks to fill the etherpad 16:20:57 <mdorman> so we’ll redirect the performance issues discussion to that 16:21:05 <DinaBelova> with the issues you have 16:21:29 <mdorman> yep there is another etherpad that’s already pretty well filled out, i added htat link to the cross project perf issues etherpad, so you can see that there 16:21:55 <mdorman> ok so moving on 16:22:02 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - cells v1 patches 16:22:17 <mdorman> mriedem has been reviewing the list in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/PAO-LDT-cells-patches 16:22:23 <klindgren> I wont be able to make it to the perf one : - I have the local patches 16:22:38 <mdorman> this should help us identify some of hte lower hanging fruit so should be able to get merged in quickly 16:22:39 <klindgren> :-/* 16:22:51 <mdorman> as well as some of them that are a larger effort and what the path would be to get those in. 16:23:09 <mdorman> so i am thinking we can kind review those durng teh session and see if we can assign some owners 16:23:12 <mdorman> seem like a good plan? 16:23:14 * VW thanks mdorman for moderating today since he's juggling multiple things 16:23:19 <mdorman> np 16:24:10 <mriedem> oh there is another meeting, then o/ 16:24:11 <klindgren> Yea - I like that 16:24:32 <mdorman> mriedem: confused. is that a question, or statement? 16:24:40 <mriedem> statement 16:24:42 <mdorman> kk 16:24:42 <mriedem> ish 16:25:00 <klindgren> (he was on beforewhen vw started about 2 hours early) 16:25:12 <mdorman> #action mdorman to review cells v1 patches details and identify work items that can be assigned out during LDT session 16:25:14 <mdorman> ah, ok. 16:25:33 <mdorman> mriedem: anything else to say about the cells v1 stuff? not sure what was missed from the earlier meeting :) 16:25:51 <mriedem> not really, several of the things in the etherpad look trivial or bug fix worthy, 16:26:00 <mdorman> cool. that is good to hear 16:26:01 <mriedem> some of the larger stuff like security groups is going to be rough 16:26:05 <mdorman> right. 16:26:21 <mriedem> and anything related to ec2 16:26:25 <mriedem> since that's deprecated in nova 16:26:29 <mdorman> well if nothing else some of the easier stuff will be a win so at least those of us can reduce the number of local patches. 16:26:34 <mriedem> yup 16:26:50 <mdorman> yeah i am almost thinking we might just have to ignore any of the ec2 stuff ,for that reason 16:27:33 <mriedem> i'll be poking around on trying to see if we can find a devstack config that runs tempest ok with cells v1 + neutron since that will be a blocker 16:27:43 <mdorman> kk 16:27:57 <mdorman> thanks again for jumping in on this 16:28:00 <mriedem> np 16:28:12 <mdorman> alright anyting else for cells v1? 16:28:22 <klindgren> my though was whatever - didn't get into neutron - we could keep a page/repo around - so people can pull in fixes even if they aren't upstream-able... 16:28:30 <klindgren> s/neutron nova 16:28:49 <klindgren> neutron on the brain :-/ 16:29:11 <mdorman> yeah that’s a good idea klindgren 16:29:36 <mdorman> ok. 16:29:46 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - public clouds 16:30:10 <mdorman> this topic was suggested, i think by geoffarnold?. but we don’t really have any specific agenda items for this 16:30:16 <mdorman> so was hoping to solicit some here 16:30:18 <mdorman> or take it to the ML 16:30:56 <mdorman> any thoughts? 16:31:23 <drwahl> there is a lot that could be talked about under that topic 16:31:55 <drwahl> app catalog stuff, inter-tenant security, quota/billing, monitoring-as-a-service 16:32:10 <drwahl> federation 16:32:27 <mdorman> are those topics that have specific issues/bugs/work that needs done? 16:32:42 <drwahl> at varying levels, yes 16:32:44 <mdorman> i would like it to focus on making progress on items rather than just general discussion. 16:33:11 <drwahl> app catalog essentially doesn't exist yet. federation is essentially non-existant, quota/billing is a complete mess 16:33:25 <drwahl> monitoring-as-a-service might be a bit of a discussion and could probably be taken out of this scope 16:33:50 <mdorman> k. so maybe we can start with a discussion to identify areas that are lacking and/or RFE’s people would like to see? 16:33:55 <mdorman> and go from there? 16:34:06 <drwahl> yup, sounds like a good place to start 16:34:25 <mdorman> cool 16:34:27 <klindgren> I would settle for some good ol fashioned basics 16:34:32 <mdorman> heh 16:34:37 <klindgren> like hierarcical project support 16:34:45 <mdorman> as in accurately track how much resources a tenant is using? :) 16:34:50 <klindgren> deletion of a tenant cleaning up resources in other projects 16:35:06 <klindgren> glance having real quotas 16:35:11 <klindgren> per tenant quotas 16:35:22 <mdorman> yup yup 16:35:31 <drwahl> the whole quotas thing (in all projects) could use a face-lift 16:35:59 <drwahl> different ways to query current usages (some can't even do that *cough* nova *cough*), no quotas at all, etc. 16:36:26 <mdorman> yeah. i know there is at least one nova spec working through right now for fixing quotas 16:36:32 <mdorman> don’t know much about it, but i have seen the activity 16:37:31 <mdorman> alright, anything else on public clouds topic? 16:38:09 * drwahl is content atm 16:38:25 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit - Glance 16:38:27 <klindgren> on to glance asks! 16:38:29 <mdorman> ok, final topic for me 16:38:32 <mdorman> yes, glance asks 16:38:38 <VW> indeed 16:38:42 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LDT-glance-asks 16:38:45 <mdorman> last meeting we had talked about a few ideas for glance RFEs, etc. t odiscuss 16:38:49 <mdorman> nice klindgren, with the ehterpad! 16:39:27 <mdorman> so do we want that topic to be kind of like public clouds, where we focus on specific gaps and things people want? and then we can go from there? 16:39:43 <mdorman> in reality if glance is last on the agenda, we may end up with not much time for that topic. 16:40:04 <VW> I agree mdorman 16:40:14 <VW> and with everything we are trying to cover, I'm OK with it being last 16:40:19 <mdorman> +1 16:40:36 <mdorman> everybody else on board with that? 16:40:39 <VW> worst case, we keep it in the mix in the monthly meetings and pick it up at the next Ops mid-cycle 16:40:45 <drwahl> wfm 16:40:51 <mdorman> yup yup 16:40:53 <klindgren> ok with me as well 16:41:22 <mdorman> does anybody know if th working session rooms are going to be the conference room style like in vancouver? or if we’ll actually have a projector, etc like at the ops meetup? 16:41:37 <mdorman> #topic Tokyo summit general planning 16:42:03 <VW> don't know mdorman - re: rooms 16:42:14 <mdorman> kk, yeah figured as much. doesn’t much matter, was just curious 16:42:14 <VW> will have to ask tom 16:42:18 <mdorman> yeah 16:42:35 <mdorman> ok that’s all teh stuff i wanted to cover re: summit planning. 16:42:52 <mdorman> #action mdorman to post LDT session info on ML and identify action items for people to work on ahead of summit 16:43:15 <mdorman> so other discussion topics from folks? 16:44:26 <drwahl> deafening silence :) 16:44:56 <mdorman> :) give it a few minutes for everybody to come back from their prod issues to check updates in this window :) 16:45:07 <mdorman> like VW said earlier, #opslife! 16:45:11 * VW lolz for realz 16:45:15 <mdorman> haha 16:45:38 <VW> I think I'm good now. If you guys have the summit session mainly sorted, that's the most important 16:45:43 <mdorman> wee, fire alarm! 16:45:52 <VW> sounds like we are finding ways to integrate our subgroups too 16:45:53 <mdorman> someone else warp up the meeting please. all my stuff is covered 16:45:57 <VW> which is niiiice! 16:46:02 <klindgren> So the only thing that I had that is semi LDT related 16:46:07 <klindgren> was the local patches stuff 16:46:13 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/osops-tools-generic: Support for archiving additional nova tables https://review.openstack.org/229013 16:46:22 <VW> and to make sure I followed, klindgren - you have a session for that 16:46:24 <openstackgerrit> Merged openstack/osops-tools-generic: Add option for pt-archiver --nosafe-auto-increment flag https://review.openstack.org/229015 16:46:34 <klindgren> VW I do - normal ops working session 16:46:47 <VW> cool 16:46:48 <klindgren> and an actuallly pre-working session 16:46:51 <VW> nice 16:47:08 <klindgren> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/operator-local-patches 16:47:30 * klindgren notices rackspace's name missing 16:48:49 * VW accepts his public shaming 16:49:35 <klindgren> excellent 16:50:21 <klindgren> anyway if anyone has some local patches - please add them to the etherpad if you haven't already. We have someone common themes identified pre-summit 16:50:25 <klindgren> so thats a good start 16:50:25 <VW> email sent, teams harassed, etc 16:50:50 <klindgren> http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-eTyH--ZMPD0/VgjkuyIOEuI/AAAAAAAAFxU/LkC99xVkvU8/s1600/excellent-4689_preview.png 16:52:20 <klindgren> I htink thats all I had :-D 16:56:09 <klindgren> anyone have anythign else? 16:56:25 <VW> nope I'm good 16:56:28 <VW> thanks all for joinging 16:56:33 <VW> joining even 16:56:45 <VW> and thanks again mdorman for driving a lot of the summit discussion 16:57:02 <drwahl> thanks for your time, everyone! 16:58:00 <VW> indeed 16:59:01 <VW> well if there are no objections, then I'll end things 16:59:09 <VW> and go back to full on #opslife 16:59:20 <VW> as the rest of you will :) 16:59:30 <klindgren> ha 16:59:38 <VW> you get a monitoring alert, YOU get a monitoring alert, EVERYONE gets a monitoring alert! 16:59:41 <VW> #endmeeting