09:00:37 #startmeeting large_scale_sig 09:00:38 Meeting started Wed Mar 25 09:00:37 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:00:39 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:00:39 Hi! 09:00:41 The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' 09:00:45 #topic Rollcall 09:00:51 Hi! Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting ? 09:00:59 mdelavergne: hi! How is it going for you ? 09:01:01 great! haha 09:01:11 i am present for the large scale sig meeting 09:01:25 raymonddeng: welcome! 09:01:49 Everything's fine, hope it is the same for everyone here :) 09:01:58 pinging amorin belmoreira masahito jiaopengju2 09:02:09 hi 09:02:27 oneswig is not in channel 09:02:35 hi 09:02:36 hi, thank for ping ttx 09:02:47 masahito: how is the situation in Japan, masahito ? 09:03:03 Not good :-< 09:03:31 I'm working from home everyday.... 09:03:36 ok, same here 09:04:01 But not a lock down, so I can go out side 09:04:14 ah, here we are under strict lockdown 09:04:18 (France) 09:04:27 where are you guys? i'm in los angeles, ca 09:04:54 most people work remotely right now here 09:05:18 raymonddeng: mostly Europe (belmoreira, oneswig, amorin, me) and Asia (masahito, jiaopengju2...) 09:05:33 France also 09:05:44 ok, let's get started 09:05:49 Our agenda for today is at: 09:05:55 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting 09:06:18 I'll reorder the topics to give amorin and oneswig some time to join 09:06:27 #topic Large scale operations now-virtual OpenDev track 09:06:35 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LargeScaleOps_OpenDev 09:06:45 We had a TODO for everyone to check/comment that etherpad... 09:06:53 belmoreira: I suspect there will be changes to it as you all work out how to run it virtually ? 09:08:07 I don't have more information... I think the work done will be re-used 09:08:33 yeah, the general idea is to start the discussion on those topics through online sessions 09:08:45 but some tracks are more likely to be successful at that than others 09:09:05 so in the coming weeks there will be a set of discussions to see what should be done 09:09:23 I'd say reviewing the etherpad is still useful, in that context 09:09:45 belmoreira: anything else on that topic ? 09:10:08 no, when I have more info I will let you know 09:10:19 #topic Progress on "Scaling within one cluster" goal 09:10:27 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-cluster-scaling 09:10:37 We had one TODO for everyone to review new patchset of oslo.metrics spec 09:10:41 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/704733/ 09:11:53 masahito: do you plan to add the metrics information schema in a new patchset ? 09:12:16 it seems to be the only item missing at this point before approval 09:13:00 I want, but I'm not sure when I can finish it. 09:13:30 masahito: would you rather wait, or push for approval at the current version ? 09:13:33 Is the actual information required to be approved? 09:13:51 masahito: probably not, we could push for approval under the current version 09:14:12 I think bnemec was interested in getting the code out there as soon as possible 09:14:35 so I'd rather focus on that part than on documenting the spec 09:14:40 Ah, okay. then please push the patch set to be approved to make things forwards. 09:15:16 masahito: when do you think the code could be pushed ? 09:15:41 (I can also push for repository creation if it's ready, but I suspect you ahve to check a lot of things before doing that) 09:16:29 #action ttx to push for oslo.metric spec approval 09:16:34 maybe until end of April? I'm a bit busy in other task right now. 09:17:09 masahito: I can imagine. No worry, just wondering about the general timeframe. So the spec approval is not super-urgent 09:17:24 but would be good to have in the coming weeks 09:18:00 #info masahito thinks the oslo.metric code could be pushed by end of April at the earliest 09:18:27 OK, otherwiose we had no recent story posted on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scaling-stories 09:18:41 oneswig had a TODO to contribute a scaling story on bare metal cluster scaling, but that was not done yet 09:18:53 So I'll push it back to next meeting 09:19:07 #action oneswig to contribute a scaling story on bare metal cluster scaling 09:19:19 Anything else on the "Scaling within one cluster" goal ? 09:19:56 ok, next topic then 09:20:01 #topic Progress on "Documenting large scale operations" goal 09:20:07 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation 09:20:17 We had two TODOs for amorin from last meeting 09:20:41 I haven't seen anything posted, but I may have missed it 09:20:53 In doubt Ill push back those TODOs to next meeting 09:21:07 #action amorin to create a wiki page for large scale documentation 09:21:17 #action amorin to propose patch against Nova doc 09:21:47 we discussed privsep in recent meetings... note that continuing the transition to privsep has been proposed as a Victoria (next cycle) goal: 09:21:54 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-March/013409.html 09:22:02 Feel free to chime in on that thread to encourage this, with your operator hat on ! 09:22:29 (it's not clear for everyone that this goal would have operational benefits) 09:23:03 I'll try to help with that community goal 09:23:22 Anything else on "Documenting large scale operations" ? 09:23:50 #topic Next meeting 09:24:02 We can do next meeting in two weeks, April 8. 09:24:10 Since Europe will switch to DST next week, we could easily move the meeting to 8 UTC (one hour earlier for Japan and China) if that helps 09:24:29 raymonddeng, masahito: would it be better or worse for you? 09:25:11 it's about the same for me 09:26:13 It works for me. 09:26:14 belmoreira: any preference? 09:26:41 (8utc would keep it at 10am for us) 09:27:51 ok, let's try it 09:27:55 #info next meeting: April 8, 8:00UTC 09:28:03 I'll post the meeting change to update the meeting calendar and all. 09:28:08 #topic Open discussion 09:28:31 raymonddeng: was there anything specific you wanted to discuss? Any particular reason for joining the SIG? 09:28:55 (like, are you running a large scale deployment yourself?) 09:29:45 FWIW, the SIG has tried to avoid boiling the ocean, and that's why we tried to set reasonable, focused goals to start 09:30:27 but the SIG obviously goes where its active members push it, so if there is anything you'd like to lead, it's pretty open :) 09:31:11 no i didn't have anything specific to discuss, i found this sig a few hours ago and was fortunate that the meeting was about to start 09:31:28 ah! perfect timing indeed 09:31:35 i'm a university student interested in 'large scale infrastructure', doing some devops stuff at Code for America and another company and wanted to see what this sig was about see what was 09:31:54 oops, **and wanted to see what this sig was about 09:32:10 yeah very fortunate timing 09:32:20 The general goal is to try to regroup people with common problems, so that they can work on common solutions 09:32:43 ah, we lost raymond 09:33:10 this timing was not so fortunate :p 09:33:13 lol 09:33:33 Oh well, that probably means the meeting is over, unless anyone has anything more to discuss? 09:33:50 raymonddeng: Welcome back! The general goal of SIGs is to try to regroup people with common problems, so that they can work on common solutions 09:34:19 So here we are trying to regroup operators of large scale infrastructure (based on openstack) so that they share problems and work on solutions 09:34:55 traditionally everyone work on solutions on their side, resulting in lots of duplication of effort 09:35:27 and the software does not get any better in handling the problems for the next person 09:36:05 This SIG is trying to solve that, pool resources to work on the same objectives, and ultimately improve the software 09:36:37 It's not easy, as we all have other day jobs, but it's important :) 09:37:15 And on those good words, I think we can close today's meeting, unless anyone else has anything to add 09:37:50 definitely very important, really impressive that you guys handle day jobs and os contributions 09:37:58 hope i can help out in some capacity! 09:38:05 raymonddeng: I hope so! Thanks for joining 09:38:14 Thanks everyone for attending the meeting! Stay safe! 09:38:18 #endmeeting