08:00:04 #startmeeting large_scale_sig 08:00:05 Meeting started Wed Aug 26 08:00:04 2020 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:00:08 The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' 08:00:10 #topic Rollcall 08:00:16 Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting ? 08:01:06 amorin, belmoreira, tobberydberg maybe 08:01:49 o/ 08:02:09 thanks for the ping 08:02:23 o/ 08:02:24 I'm here, but haven't been much part in the Large Scale SIG though ;-) 08:02:36 heh 08:02:59 Alright, let's start and see if anyone else joins 08:03:02 Our agenda for today is at: 08:03:06 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting 08:03:14 #topic Discuss fail of first EU-US meeting 08:03:26 As you know we recently decided to create a meeting rotation, to create a US-friendly meeting time 08:03:38 Two weeks ago we had our first EU-US friendly meeting, but then we did not get anyone new showing up 08:03:50 Obviously creating a new meeting in the middle of August is not optimal, but still that was disappointing 08:04:02 We will need to make a bit more noise for the next one, and if nobody shows up again, reconsider our decision 08:04:16 (There is no point in making it harder for APAC folks if we do not really get new members) 08:04:24 Thoughts on that? 08:04:33 +1 08:05:00 there are large deployments in the US. Should we try to contact people directly? 08:05:30 I had a few direct contacts based on https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig 08:05:46 and tried to send them direct email 08:06:17 Beth said she can;t do IRC, the others said IRC was fine but did not show up at that first meeting 08:06:40 But I agree, we should do personal contacts where we can 08:06:46 in advance of the next one 08:07:09 like people who participated actively to the opendev on large scale infra 08:07:46 (James Penick, Erik Andersson...) 08:08:18 If you have a personal contact that could be interested, don;t hesitate to ping them... like the week before 08:08:59 sure 08:09:09 #action all to contact US large deployment friends to invite them to next EU-US meeting 08:09:22 ok, moving on 08:09:26 #topic PTG/Summit plans 08:09:32 We need to discuss if we want to do anything around the Summit and PTG in October 08:09:42 As a reminder, our next summit will be virtual and happen on Oct 19-23, 2020 08:09:44 hello 08:09:50 There will be "forum sessions" there that we could leverage to get more input 08:09:52 sorry I am late 08:09:54 amorin: hi! 08:10:02 Hi, sorry I am late too 08:10:10 There will also be a PTG (project teams gathering) on Oct 26-30, 2020 08:10:18 This is more of a work event, where we could have a video meeting to discuss future SIG work if we wanted 08:10:30 In both cases if we are interested we should engage quickly to book slots 08:10:41 Personally I think we should definitely ask for a Forum session, for example around gathering scaling stories 08:10:54 To act as a recruitment function but also to learn new things 08:11:10 I'm less convinced that with the current level of activity/size of the group we need a PTG group meeting. 08:11:28 IRC is plenty enough to coordinate our slow work, so unless there is a particular activity we'd like to book time to synchronously work on... 08:11:36 Thoughts? 08:11:37 having a video meeting will be definitely more engaging, I think 08:12:21 belmoreira: just for PTG or all the time? 08:12:35 If there is chance to talk each other, the short video meeting seems to be nice. 08:12:37 I was thinking for the PTG 08:12:54 OK, so maybe a short one 08:13:12 or two to match the two timezones 08:13:22 how are working forum sessions, is it going to be with video meeting as well? 08:13:46 I'm not sure yet... I assumed it would be opendev-style 08:14:03 (opendev-the-event style) 08:14:14 so with video on zoom, right? 08:14:20 like a zoom meeting with a couple of moderators 08:14:25 or meetpad 08:14:38 right 08:14:49 so if it is like that, maybe forum session is enough, we can meet over there and recruit new members / find new stories 08:15:19 OK, so how about... a Forum session specifically to find new stories, a bit like that session at opendev-the-event 08:15:36 +1 08:15:37 I think it will be good for the group and it's also an opportunity to fin/interact with other people 08:15:39 + one hour of video meeting to replace our regular meeting 08:15:47 (at the PTG) 08:15:53 +1 08:15:53 works for me 08:16:16 then if we identify potential new mebers in the Forum session we can follow up at the PTG 08:16:47 OK, I'll fill the forms and file then with the required authorities 08:17:17 I'll try to be close to our usual meeting times 08:17:32 if those slots are still available 08:18:06 #agreed One Forum session on scaling stories, One PTG short meeting to replace our regular meeting that week 08:18:15 #action ttx to request Forum/PTG sessions 08:18:30 ok, moving on to our regular topics 08:18:34 #topic Progress on "Documenting large scale operations" goal 08:18:37 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation 08:18:44 First, osarchiver... 08:18:57 (which was just mentioned again on openstack-discuss) 08:19:03 What's the status of moving that upstream? I think it's stalled waiting on progress on OSops resurrection? 08:19:35 on OVH side, we worked on applying some changes based on comments we receive on the ml 08:19:44 we removed debian folder for example 08:19:59 hah yes that will please zigo for sure 08:20:07 yes 08:20:22 so, for us it's good 08:20:35 amorin: so next step is to make progress on resurrecting OSops 08:20:46 yes 08:21:05 belmoreira: we'll need to work with smcginnis to make progress on the governance side of it 08:21:26 I might raise it on the TC channel 08:21:38 great 08:21:47 I'm happy to help on that 08:21:48 #action ttx to push for OSops resurrection 08:21:56 belmoreira: thanks 08:22:08 #action belmoreira, ttx to push for OSops resurrection 08:22:25 Second, we still need more config options on the Large scale configuration wiki page before we can push for a link in Nova doc 08:22:35 amorin: do you have enough matter to work on, or should we just pause that until we have more participants working on it? 08:22:47 yes, unfortunately I am not able to find enough time 08:22:56 maybe we can pause that for now 08:23:03 and stay focus on resurrecting osops? 08:23:15 If the issue is more time than data, I'm fine carrying the work item over 08:23:30 If you miss data to do it, then we should just pause it 08:23:38 on the other end, we recently disccuss about rabbit binding issues on the ml 08:23:54 and things in this topic could also be copied back to documentation 08:24:25 amorin: your call, I can just carry over the #action, or just stop mentioning it every meeting :) 08:24:49 ok, about nova, we can pause, we dont have enough data 08:24:58 ok, done 08:25:36 And finally our last workstream is around collecting metrics/billing stories 08:25:58 Last I looked we only had OVH entry on that one 08:26:24 belmoreira, masahito: do you think you could contribute CERN/LINE take on that? 08:26:52 (line 36 of https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation) 08:27:00 yes, I can. The problem is committing when I'm going to do it. 08:27:28 No commitment really. I just will continue to pester you for it regularly :) 08:27:44 :) 08:27:54 #action all to describe briefly how you solved metrics/billing in your deployment in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-documentation 08:27:58 Anything else on this topic? 08:28:23 yes. 08:28:59 masahito: yes you can contribute story, or yes you have something else on this topic? 08:29:59 Assuming that was yes you can contribute story, and moving on to next topic 08:30:00 ah, sorry. yes I can contribute story. 08:30:07 #topic Progress on "Scaling within one cluster" goal 08:30:10 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-cluster-scaling 08:30:15 First, update on the healthcheck/middleware ping discussion 08:30:19 #link https://review.opendev.org/#/c/735385/ 08:30:27 I think we collectively made good progress to get it merged in oslo.messaging... 08:30:41 I was hoping we'd have a go-ahead from sean-k-mooney or dansmith on your last reply: 08:30:45 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-discuss/2020-August/016697.html 08:31:18 but I'll leave it to bnemec to get the approval timing right 08:31:55 ok 08:31:59 Second workstream is on oslo.metrics 08:32:03 https://opendev.org/openstack/oslo.metrics 08:32:05 should we ping back bnemec for this? 08:32:23 amorin: I think he'll get to it. I think he's leaving some time for last minute objections 08:32:32 ok 08:32:38 so we wait for now, right? 08:32:43 yes 08:32:46 ack 08:33:22 So on the oslo.metrics side, we need to make progress on two sides: try to find other users interested in running it, and improve the code base to make it more openstack-y 08:33:58 I will ask someone at OVH if we can test this 08:34:00 I'll try to work on adding basic tests, unless someone beats me to it 08:34:16 so that we feel more comfortable with proposed changes 08:34:48 masahito: the code we have in https://opendev.org/openstack/oslo.metrics is what you run at LINE currently? Or is there a difference? 08:35:40 Basically same. But we have some improvement since I pushed the patch... 08:36:15 masahito: ok, would be great to push it to oslo.metrics as well, when you get the chance 08:36:38 I'd like to make a release with Victoria release 08:36:40 I try to. 08:37:06 #action masahito to push latest patches to oslo.metrics 08:37:22 #action ttx to look into a basic test framework for oslo,metrics 08:37:50 #action amorin to see if oslo.metrics could be tested at OVH 08:37:58 Last workstream... we still need more scaling stories 08:38:00 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/scaling-stories 08:38:15 we'll likely need to do a campaign to collect those, as our current outreach is not very efficient 08:38:24 A forum session at next summit centered on that will help imho 08:38:32 Anything else on this topic/goal? 08:39:12 not from my side 08:39:18 #topic Next meeting 08:39:26 Next meeting will be US-EU on Sept 9, 16utc. 08:39:42 That's the one we'll need to make more noise about 08:39:56 Who from this meeting will likely be able to also participate to this one? 08:40:06 I do 08:40:22 Thanks! 08:40:29 Then next EU-APAC meeting will be Sept 23, 8utc. 08:40:34 How does that sound? 08:41:02 good 08:41:08 good 08:41:10 #info next meetings: Sep 9, 16:00UTC; Sep 23, 8:00UTC 08:41:30 That's all I had... Any last thoughts? requests? 08:42:20 OK then... thanks everyone! 08:42:26 #endmeeting