15:00:44 #startmeeting large_scale_sig 15:00:45 Meeting started Wed Jun 2 15:00:44 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:46 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:48 The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' 15:00:57 #topic Rollcall 15:01:04 o/ 15:01:07 o/ 15:01:09 Alright, who is here on OFTC for the Large Scale SIG meeting ? 15:01:14 hello 15:01:18 hello! 15:02:15 let me ping amorin real quick 15:03:01 I see him on freenode 15:03:13 he is here too 15:03:28 belmoreira: maybe redirect people from freenode if you lurk there? 15:03:36 sure 15:03:51 OK let's get started... 15:03:57 Our agenda for today is at: 15:04:01 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting 15:04:05 ping imtiazc 15:04:15 #topic Next OpenInfra Live show 15:04:31 So... We ran our first OpenInfra Live show a few weeks ago and it was a great success 15:04:49 More attendees than usual thanks to the promotion and openinfra branding 15:05:01 That said we were a bit ambitious in terms of how much content we would fit vs. discussion 15:05:17 I'm here 15:05:20 So we've been discussing doing a part two, to continue the discussion 15:05:35 Does that sound like a good idea? It would feature the same speakers as a continuation discussion 15:06:12 sounds good to me 15:06:13 I agree with continuing the discussion 15:06:26 We don't have much discussion time last time IIRC 15:06:36 I think that plan sounds reasonable 15:07:08 I ran a poll to check for availability from same speakers and it appears that everyone is available on june 10 15:07:21 that slot could be freed for us as the currently-programmed show was cancelled 15:07:45 It's just 8 days from now but we don;t need to prepare much 15:08:11 there will be no decks, although we should probably have an etherpad with suggested panel questions 15:09:01 or probably some GDoc 15:09:02 Agree with collecting the questions in etherpad 15:09:18 https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/oil-upgrades-part-deux 15:09:54 The questions should be open to everyone 15:10:21 and it would be great if it's part of the promotion process 15:11:05 if people write a question, they are already committed to watch 15:11:07 good idea 15:11:47 Might do a Google survey to avoid surprises though 15:11:55 I'll keep y'all posted 15:12:05 also, it would be a different way to interact with the viewers (something make sure your questions are answered...) of course we should continue to take live questions during the stream 15:12:21 #agreed OpenInfra Live Upgrades in Large Scale OpenStack deployments, part two to be scheduled June 10 15:12:45 also will encourage people to watch the previuos show in preparation 15:12:52 so... excellent suggestion 15:13:10 #info should ask for panel questions as part of event promotion 15:14:01 I’ll throw a few generic questions/ideas in the Etherpad. Feel free to reword, remove, etc. as necessary. 15:14:13 We had a slot originally booked for July 1st, do we want to keep taht one and discuss, say, monitoring with a different (probably smaller) set of guest speakers? 15:14:26 or should we push back because it's just too much? 15:14:40 also, is there a place to make the slides available? we will get this question :) in my opinion the openinfra live webpage should aggregate them per show 15:15:10 belmoreira: I'll pass on that suggestion. At the very least they should be linked from the YouTube page 15:15:31 #info suggestion: add a place for slides (on openinfra.live or on the YouTube video comments) 15:16:08 Yep, in the video comment, besides the names of the speakers sounds like a good idea 15:16:28 (speakers or timestamps) 15:16:56 How about we push back next show from July 1st to...July 15th 15:17:19 gives us more time to find topic and guest speakers 15:17:27 i’d consider not doing the show in 8 days, just to give extra time to poll for questions, content, etc. 15:17:44 allow ppl to find and populate the etherpad 15:18:17 rbudden: yeah the trick is that we need to balance program openings vs. not waiting too long between part 1 and 2 15:18:25 (and speaker availability) 15:18:28 true 15:18:31 it's short but we can pull it off 15:18:42 waiting too long also demotivates people 15:18:54 Should start the promotion today/tomorrow though 15:19:15 they will mention it during tomorrow's show 15:19:33 Thoughts on the show after that? Date and topic? 15:20:43 I remember there is one potential topic about running OpenStack ontop of itself 15:21:01 1 or 15th is OK for me. The 15th gives more time to iterate in this topic 15:21:23 Imtiaz is not available on the 1st, so let's commit to taking July 15 15:21:32 I can talk a little about that as we're running our control plane ontop of it 15:21:45 genekuo: yes, that's one option, belmoreira talking about inception 15:22:13 "sounds scary but it actually works pretty well" 15:22:22 Inception - Run your OpenStack control plane on top of the infrastructure that it manages 15:22:29 Yep 15:22:54 another interesting topic it would be discuss how the different deployment deal with spare capacity 15:22:55 i’ve done that as well, ran one openstack cloud on top of an openstack ironic setup 15:23:01 #info next OILive after June 10 would by July 15 15:23:15 #info Proposed topic: running openstack on top of itself 15:23:33 and have another panel discussion 15:23:39 We'll try to avoid making the same mistake, and limiting guest speakers to 3-4 instead of 6 :) 15:24:09 giving priority to those who haven't been on the show of course 15:24:40 I'm also happy to let someone emcee the show more directly, since my added value is limited 15:24:58 so it could end up being "Belmiro and friends" for example 15:25:10 :) 15:25:12 but we have time to figure that out 15:25:26 OK anything else on that topic? 15:25:42 how about we continue to use the etherpad to set ideas for the next topic 15:26:31 ++ 15:26:45 #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks 15:26:50 badly named 15:27:10 shows how it started :) 15:27:12 alright, moving on 15:27:15 #topic Progress/Blockers 15:27:23 * Stage 1 - Configure (amorin) 15:27:26 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Configure 15:27:41 amorin is not around, but I don;t think there was much progress there 15:27:47 * Stage 2 - Monitor (genekuo) 15:27:51 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/Monitor 15:28:05 Not much update on Wiki page 15:28:07 Sounds like oslo.messaging changes are ready to go in? 15:28:15 (for oslo.metrics support) 15:28:25 just needs another oslo.messaging core to chime in 15:28:27 Got a +2, still waiting for another +2 and +1 workflow 15:28:29 yep 15:28:42 I'll see with hberaud if he can get someone else to review it 15:28:54 I also got an email from a user that they are trying to test it 15:29:06 nice! 15:29:21 would be great to have another angle of feedback on it 15:30:03 * Stage 3 - Scale Up (ttx) 15:30:07 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleUp 15:30:17 Nothing new here... 15:30:34 # Stage 4/5 - Scale Out, upgrade & maintain (belmoreira) 15:30:37 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/ScaleOut 15:30:40 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG/UpgradeAndMaintain 15:30:40 nothing changed 15:31:00 Maybe after part two we'll have some common insights we can distill into the upgrades Q&a 15:31:14 ++ 15:31:51 I'm fine with the scaling journey taking the backseat as we occupy the internets with a live show on large scale infra powered by openstack, really 15:32:11 It's a great opportunity for un in 2021 15:32:13 us 15:32:33 ok, moving on... 15:32:39 #info Next meeting(s) 15:32:50 So given our previous discussion, I propose... 15:33:06 - June 10: OILive 15:33:14 - June 23: IRC meeting 15:33:21 - July 7: IRC meeting 15:33:29 - July 15: OILive 15:33:38 LGTM 15:33:51 I'll update the bot so that http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#Large_Scale_SIG_Meeting is correct 15:34:24 I like to have a IRC meeting the week before the show rather than two weeks before 15:34:45 yes, makes sense 15:34:55 Alright that is all I had on the agenda... was there anything else to discuss? 15:35:34 I'll be following up with Arnaud, Imtiaz, Belmiro, Mohammed, Chris and Joshua for next week show 15:35:39 I see belmoreira added some topics in open discussion part 15:35:45 making sure we collect questions as part of the promotion 15:35:55 hah! 15:35:59 sharp eyes 15:36:09 #topic Open discussion 15:36:19 belmoreira: fire away 15:36:51 so... the openstack-operators shown some activity this week 15:37:36 it would be great to revive this group for operators to have an easy and informal way to communicate and share questions/issues... 15:37:41 cool! we could move this meeting there 15:37:47 agree 15:38:08 agree 15:38:21 I'll update the bot so that it points there 15:38:46 that was my question... having the meeting there it will support the group and for operators is the common place to hangout 15:38:48 agreed. one question i was going to ask was where the large scale sig member lurk/hang out online 15:38:50 and we can have our next IRC meeting on #openstack-operators 15:39:12 #agreed move large scale SIG meeting to #openstack-operators channel 15:39:24 cool 15:39:45 #action ttx to update eavesdrop to reflect new time and location for large scale SIG IRC meeting 15:40:03 alright, any other question/topic? 15:41:00 if not, thanks everyone for joining us here on OFTC! 15:41:07 #endmeeting