15:01:17 #startmeeting large_scale_sig 15:01:17 Meeting started Wed Sep 1 15:01:17 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ttx. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:17 The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' 15:01:20 #topic Rollcall 15:01:22 Who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting? 15:01:26 hello 15:01:27 genekuo: hi! 15:01:30 o/ 15:01:36 hi 15:01:39 rbudden, belmoreira hi! 15:01:53 amorin maybe? 15:01:53 hi 15:02:13 mdelavergne too 15:02:29 Is everyone back from vacation? 15:03:00 good to be back 15:03:19 not exactly from vacation, I was busy preparing to fly back to Japan and miss the notification for last meeting 15:03:27 alright, looks like, that's everyone for today 15:03:32 Our agenda for today is at: 15:03:34 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting 15:03:41 #topic Next OpenInfraLive session 15:04:03 Last week we had a good session on software-defined supercomputers, thanks to oneswig for leading that 15:04:21 It was a bit of a different spin than usual, but great to include new users 15:04:33 Our next open slot for an episode is just before the PTG, on Oct 14, 2021 15:04:50 sp 6 weeks from now 15:04:54 Are you all available on that date? 15:05:18 If that's not working we could push back to Oct 28 15:05:32 Currently free on Oct 14 for me 15:05:35 14 works for me 15:05:49 OK then mark your calendars now! 14 it is 15:05:59 We have quite a bit of time to organize, but I'd like to decide on the topic early 15:06:07 We had two topics in the pipeline: Inception and Monitoring 15:06:13 Any preference? 15:07:04 Inception being: running openstack control plane on itself 15:07:16 From my side, I can find speaker (or me) to do both, so I don't have specific preference 15:07:25 Monitoring being a bit more of a general question (how do you solve monitoring) 15:08:01 I think for Monitoring it will be slightly easier to find participants 15:08:09 since very few do Inception 15:08:31 belmoreira: any preference? 15:08:49 how about we change the inception to "OpenStack architecture in your deployment" 15:09:26 hmm, what do you mean exactly 15:09:32 Topic tbd 15:09:40 err.. wrong channel 15:09:55 I think belmoreira is suggesting a more general topic 15:10:08 inception is just a way to setup openstack (pros,cons) 15:10:20 Instead of focusing on inception, there may be different deployment architecture in large scale deployment 15:10:34 but we can leave space for all the other user stories 15:10:42 ah ok, yes 15:10:56 containers, disk less setup, ... 15:11:20 like "How Large Scale deployments are architected" 15:11:26 and have a bunch of examples 15:11:34 yeah, something like that 15:11:55 With guests willing to show and tell 15:12:10 inception is just one particular case 15:12:21 Maybe focusing on the larger users for this one 15:12:43 maybe something like the upgrades sessions, but now going deep into the architecture 15:12:59 belmoreira, genekuo: I assume you both would be able to present? 15:13:46 I'm interested in present 15:13:49 rbudden: not sure your deployment would fit that discussion, but let me know 15:13:59 I will be available, or at least my teammate will 15:14:27 OK, I'll build up something around that theme and start looking around for guests 15:14:41 Will keep y'all posted at next meeting 15:14:49 :) 15:15:10 #agreed theme for next episode: "OpenStack architecture in large scale deployments" 15:15:19 #info CERn and LINE available to present 15:16:29 alright, any question on that topic? 15:16:29 Our deployment is somewhat large. I work with Jonathan Mills on the NASA OpenStack clouds. 15:16:53 I don’t have exact specs in front of me, but we’re in the neighborhood of 3500-4000 cores 15:16:56 rbudden: yes, I remember. If that is a topic you would be interested in presenting on, let me know 15:17:15 sure, if it’s helpful 15:17:22 we basically role our own deployment 15:17:28 it’s in-house Ansible CM 15:17:40 yeah ideally we'd have a mix of approaches 15:18:17 #info rbudden could present for NASA, using in-house Ansible CM 15:19:28 alright moving on 15:20:21 #topic Large Scale Journey updates 15:20:25 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Large_Scale_SIG 15:20:30 Was there any recent progress made on documenting the Large Scale Journey? 15:20:41 no updates from me 15:20:45 It feels like this has taken a backseat as we focused on OpenInfra.Live episodes... 15:20:50 (which I think are more immediately visible and valuable) 15:21:07 I was busy with OpenInfra Days Asia recently 15:21:14 have a talk about oslo.metrics there 15:21:34 For the code part I'm working on functional tests 15:21:45 I think we should still aim at gradually improving that doc, but that can be done over the long run 15:22:01 CCreating spaces for discussions around Large Scale is imho more valuable 15:22:27 +1 15:22:27 genekuo: noted 15:22:46 #topic Next meeting 15:22:54 Our next scheduled IRC meeting will be Sept 15. 15:22:58 #info next IRC meeting on Sept 15 15:23:25 I'll have more details on the upcoming episode by then, started fishing for extra speakers etc 15:23:55 genekuo: how is your deployment architected? You don't do Inception or Ansible iirc 15:24:07 We do both inception and ansible 15:24:22 humm 15:24:26 our control plane run on top of k8s on top of our openstack 15:24:38 while we uses ansible to deploy the manifests 15:25:10 I was not thinking how sites deploy the infrastructure (puppet, ansible, chef?, ...) 15:25:13 ok, so that would be another combination 15:25:22 #topic Open discussion 15:25:23 but more about the architecture and why 15:26:19 belmoreira: there is a link between the two, but I think I see where you;re going 15:26:40 why they cluster rabbit or not? number of nova APIs? are they in physical nodes? why? 15:26:52 my thinking was more in these lines 15:27:20 belmoreira: maybe you could write a short paragraph describing the types of questions you'd like answered? That would help me in my speaker outreach 15:27:51 I could understand the direction belmoreira would like the talk to be 15:28:29 let me know if it makes sense to you 15:28:35 belmoreira: you'd still mention the inception aspect, which is a bit of a deployment thing 15:29:04 I guess that's where I'm confused, the area between the two 15:29:22 There is some connection IMO 15:29:22 in my view inception is a strong architecture decision, not related with the deployment tool (puppet in our case) 15:29:33 but belmoreira would like to focus on why 15:29:45 for example why we uses ansible to deploy manifest to k8s 15:29:58 why we choose to do inception 15:30:47 not sure if i understand correctly 15:31:24 belmoreira: could you write something up that would describe what's on topic for that episode? That would be helpful to me as I do the initial outreach 15:31:53 we could reuse it as the episode description 15:31:56 ttx ok, let me try to do it 15:32:05 thank you 15:32:09 thanks! 15:32:19 #action belmoreira to draft the episode description 15:32:25 Anything else, anyone? 15:33:13 rbudden: anything you wanted to discuss? 15:33:24 nothing from my side 15:33:27 nothing offhand 15:33:41 we have low attendance today because not everyone is back from vacation. Hopefully we'll have more in two weeks 15:33:44 i’d be interesting in picking ppl’s brains on rabbitmq setup/tradeoffs sometime 15:33:47 but no need for that now 15:34:30 rbudden: did you see our video meeting on RabbitMQ scaling? 15:34:48 yes, I caught part of that and need to review it 15:35:09 I know there were some write ups being worked on as well 15:35:36 ok then if nothing else for today, let's end early 15:35:43 Thanks everyone! 15:35:44 thanks all! :) 15:35:54 Thanks! 15:35:54 thanks! 15:36:05 mdelavergne: lurking I see 15:36:18 thanks 15:36:23 #endmeeting