15:00:25 <belmoreira> #startmeeting large_scale_sig 15:00:25 <opendevmeet> Meeting started Wed Nov 10 15:00:25 2021 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is belmoreira. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:25 <opendevmeet> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:00:25 <opendevmeet> The meeting name has been set to 'large_scale_sig' 15:00:36 <belmoreira> #topic Rollcall 15:00:46 <belmoreira> Hello! who is here for the Large Scale SIG meeting? 15:00:51 <genekuo> o/ 15:01:26 <belmoreira> hi genekuo 15:01:41 <belmoreira> ping maybe amorin ? mdelavergne ? imtiazc ? 15:02:59 <belmoreira> genekuo looks like we are the only ones 15:03:13 <belmoreira> our agenda for today: 15:03:24 <belmoreira> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/large-scale-sig-meeting 15:03:31 <belmoreira> #topic Next Large Scale SIG show on Dec 9, 2021 15:03:52 <belmoreira> last meeting we discussed to have something in the lines of: Tricks and tools that large deployments use for day to day ops ("Ugly tricks you hide from your boss") 15:04:09 <belmoreira> genekuo what do you think? 15:04:33 <amorin> hello! 15:04:37 <amorin> sorry I am late 15:04:48 <belmoreira> hi amorin 15:05:24 <genekuo> sounds good to me, I was thinking earlier when I'm reviewing the log from last week. 15:05:27 <belmoreira> we started to discuss the topic for the Dec 9th OpenInfra live 15:05:49 <genekuo> I haven't think of any tricks we've done yet, not sure if we can contribute to this topic 15:06:11 <amorin> it can also be tools you use to manage your openstack 15:06:39 <belmoreira> honestly, I wasn't envision this topic to be something of horrible (ugly) hacks but legit tools that we built and use every day or for special situations 15:07:38 <belmoreira> those tools may point to the need to have them upstream or improve the CLI, operations, ... 15:07:57 <amorin> exemple, within OVH, we have a external tool to collect all instances running on a bunch of hypervisors (in a rack e.g.) so that we can trigger some communication/mailing with the data 15:08:22 <amorin> does it sound like something that fit the topic? 15:08:32 <belmoreira> nice, we have something similar 15:08:37 <belmoreira> looks perfect to me 15:08:47 <belmoreira> also I'm thinking about the DB clean up from amorin for example 15:08:53 <amorin> osarchiver 15:08:55 <amorin> yes 15:09:17 <amorin> we are also building a tool to monitor/check the openflow rules in br-int for an instance 15:09:46 <amorin> I asked for this on the list few weeks ago 15:10:08 <belmoreira> great 15:10:23 <belmoreira> another example... we built a tool to automatically migrate VMs and reboot the compute nodes for kernel upgrades or hardware decommission 15:11:12 <belmoreira> another one... a tool to automatically test the DB migrations in all cells before the real upgrade 15:11:23 <amorin> :) 15:11:30 <amorin> sounds like we do the same job belmoreira 15:11:39 <belmoreira> :) 15:11:46 <genekuo> The first one that came into mind that we have is a Ansible script to gracefully shutdown and then start RabbitMQ cluster 15:12:07 <genekuo> but we currently doesn't have a lot of dirty hack script like this 15:12:26 <belmoreira> I think this OpenInfra episode can be very interesting 15:12:58 <amorin> we have a lot of ansible things :) 15:12:59 <belmoreira> genekuo i don't see it has a dirty hack, but something useful for you and maybe others 15:13:23 <genekuo> there's something similar upstream IIRC 15:13:41 <belmoreira> for the rabbitmq example we didn't went that far with the ansible playbook but we just wrote a procedure :) 15:14:58 <belmoreira> I think the next question is to find participants for episode 15:15:26 <belmoreira> as usual a good number would be between 4 to 6 participants 15:15:50 <amorin> is it going to be like neutron, with a bunch of question done by someone? 15:16:05 <amorin> or more like what we did in the past, where each participant is presenting 5 minutes? 15:16:27 <genekuo> For this topic, I would prefer each participant is presenting 5 minutes 15:16:43 <belmoreira> amorin ttx contacted some users but I think he didn't get any reply yet 15:18:03 <amorin> ok 15:18:04 <belmoreira> another suggestion is to be like podcast style, like a conversation between operators 15:19:26 <belmoreira> not sure if the 5min slides is the most appealing format 15:19:43 <amorin> poldcast style needs more preparation 15:20:40 <genekuo> Agree that podcast style needs more preparation as the converstation may stuck when there's no participant raising questions 15:21:40 <amorin> +1 15:21:43 <belmoreira> sure, is more challenging. We would need to have a moderator and a light script or guidance 15:22:00 <belmoreira> we can discuss the format in the next meeting 15:22:20 <amorin> ack 15:22:21 <belmoreira> amorin genekuo would be in for the episode? 15:22:32 <amorin> yup 15:23:08 <amorin> maybe someone from citynetwork and/or infomaniak? 15:23:22 <genekuo> Let me think about it, I can confirm early next week. 15:23:33 <genekuo> I'll send a mail to ttx if I'm able to participate 15:24:21 <belmoreira> yes, I guess most of us have a lot of tools and tricks 15:24:53 <belmoreira> I guess ttx will try to contact them 15:25:31 <belmoreira> thanks genekuo 15:26:13 <genekuo> :) 15:26:20 <belmoreira> maybe blizzard and workday can participate 15:26:28 <amorin> yup 15:26:44 <belmoreira> great 15:27:26 <belmoreira> I will work in the episode description and let you know next meeting 15:28:40 <belmoreira> it would be a good idea to have an etherpad and collect the items that everyone would like to mention 15:28:58 <amorin> yes 15:29:02 <belmoreira> depending ni the format it can help organising the session 15:29:07 <amorin> so we can collect that with the team 15:29:44 <genekuo> sounds good 15:30:27 <belmoreira> how about we use the old etherpad were we have the meeting topics ideas? 15:30:39 <belmoreira> *can't find the link* 15:32:29 <belmoreira> well, I can't find the link but I can put it in the channel later 15:32:42 <genekuo> Couldn't find it also 15:32:53 <belmoreira> is there anything else to be discussed about this topic? 15:32:54 <amorin> cant help, sry 15:33:15 <genekuo> https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks 15:33:19 <genekuo> Is it this one? 15:34:00 <belmoreira> yes it is. Thanks genekuo 15:34:51 <belmoreira> link: https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks 15:35:17 <belmoreira> #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/large-scale-sig-lightning-talks 15:35:56 <belmoreira> if we don't have more feedback lets move to the next topic 15:36:04 <belmoreira> #topic Large Scale Journey updates 15:36:12 <belmoreira> any update on this? 15:36:36 <belmoreira> I confess that I didn't update my section for awhile 15:37:03 <genekuo> I just reorganized the structure in Monitoring section, no major updates 15:37:51 <belmoreira> great, thanks 15:38:03 <belmoreira> ok, let's move to the next meeting 15:38:09 <belmoreira> #topic Next meeting(s) 15:38:18 <belmoreira> we should have our next meeting in 2 weeks (Nov 24th) 15:38:29 <belmoreira> then the OpenInfra live is on Dec 9th 15:39:07 <belmoreira> #topic Open discussion 15:39:28 <belmoreira> anything else? 15:39:43 <genekuo> nothing from me 15:39:57 <amorin> nothing here 15:40:57 <belmoreira> see you in 2 weeks 15:41:07 <belmoreira> thanks 15:41:12 <belmoreira> #endmeeting