15:01:17 <bswartz> #startmeeting manila 15:01:18 <openstack> Meeting started Thu Sep 15 15:01:17 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is bswartz. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:19 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:21 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'manila' 15:01:28 <bswartz> hello all 15:01:29 <cknight> Hi 15:01:30 <gouthamr_> Hey! o/ 15:01:30 <ganso> hello o/ 15:01:30 <tovchinnikova> \\// 15:01:32 <vponomaryov> Hello 15:01:35 <jseiler_> hi 15:01:36 <aovchinnikov> hi 15:01:37 <dustins> hey-o 15:01:39 <xyang1> hi 15:01:43 <zengyingzhe_> Hi 15:02:05 <Zhongjun__> Hi 15:02:17 <bswartz> #topic announcements 15:02:56 <tbarron> hi 15:03:09 <bswartz> the winner of the logo contest was Zorilla (striped polecat/african skunk) 15:03:19 <bswartz> #link http://civs.cs.cornell.edu/cgi-bin/results.pl?id=E_6f0d111cec78c5ef 15:03:48 <vkmc> o/ 15:04:01 <vkmc> yaay 15:04:04 <bswartz> also, RC1 was released 15:04:08 <bswartz> #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-September/103757.html 15:04:11 <vponomaryov> bswartz: will there be a vote for pic of Zorilla? 15:04:40 <bswartz> vponomaryov: no, the foundation's art team will handle creation of an appropriate rendering 15:05:06 <vponomaryov> bswartz: just 1 variant? 15:05:09 <markstur> hi 15:05:34 <bswartz> yes the theory is for all the project logos to have a similar artistic style and theme 15:05:47 <vponomaryov> ok, clear 15:06:06 <bswartz> so now that RC1 is released, all 3 projects have stable/newton branches and we're technically open for ocata development 15:06:42 <bswartz> however as always we ask that you hold off merging anything significant until after the final release because it makes backporting bugfixes harder, should we discover any critical bugs between now and release which would warrant an RC2 15:07:19 <bswartz> what we should be focused on now is testing the hell out of the RC and looking for any remaining serious bugs 15:07:49 <bswartz> #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings 15:08:09 <bswartz> #topic Ocata Design Summit 15:08:23 <bswartz> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ocata-design-summit-topics 15:08:39 <bswartz> so I just created this etherpad this morning to start collecting topics for Barcelona 15:09:44 <bswartz> hopefully most of you know that the Ocata release will be extremely short, due to a decision by the TC to shift the release dates for all the projects on the main release cycle about 8 weeks earlier 15:10:25 <bswartz> the result is that milestones in Ocata will only be about 4 weeks apart rather than the usual 6, and we still have the winter holidays in the middle of that, further reducing available time to get work done 15:11:18 <bswartz> we need to be very realistic about available time to develop and merge new features and we should seriously consider not doing any features and just focusing on quality and retiring technical debt 15:11:56 <cknight> bswartz: What about features already well advanced but not quite done in Newton? 15:12:14 <cknight> bswartz: (with specs merged, even) 15:12:34 <bswartz> cknight: well it's fortunate that we have some of those because anything bigger probably wouldn't fit 15:12:50 <bswartz> those things which are almost done but didn't make newton are probably good candidates for ocata 15:13:18 <cknight> bswartz: +1 15:13:38 <cknight> bswartz: I can think of one that missed by 45 minutes :-( 15:13:43 <bswartz> however I think we should reevaluate each one and weigh the effort remaining and risk instead of just blindly carrying over everything 15:14:01 <bswartz> yes the revert-to-snapshot feature seems like a slam dunk to me 15:14:13 <vponomaryov> bswartz: what about midcycle, will it stay? 15:14:32 <bswartz> vponomaryov: almost certainly not 15:14:41 <bswartz> vponomaryov: have you see the proposed PTG schedule? 15:15:01 <vponomaryov> bswartz: now we will use "design summit"? 15:15:11 <bswartz> the first PTG, which will replace "design summits" going forward is scheduled for February 15:15:22 <bswartz> that's around when we would have done a midcycle 15:15:43 <dustins> bswartz: Do you have the PTG schedule handy? 15:16:22 <bswartz> there have been suggestions that for later releases, Pike/Queens/etc, that we hold midcycle-like discussions at the Conferences themselves, which will end up happening towards the middle of the releases going forward 15:16:38 <bswartz> dustins: http://www.openstack.org/ptg/ 15:16:46 <dustins> Thanks! 15:18:03 <bswartz> anyways back to my original topic 15:18:25 <bswartz> the way we handled deadlines in mitaka and newton probably needs to change for ocata 15:18:37 <bswartz> I'm working on a proposal and still soliciting feedback 15:18:42 <bswartz> I hope to have that ready by next week 15:19:15 <bswartz> but I feel we need to create some kind of formal process to focus the team's attention more 15:19:56 <bswartz> we are fortunate to have a huge number of good contributions coming in, but our reviewer resources have been spread too thin 15:20:56 <bswartz> anyways if you have ideas, contact me, and if you're a core reviewer and I haven't reached out to yet, expect me to in the next few days 15:21:46 <vponomaryov> bswartz: 1to1 or some group call? 15:21:48 <bswartz> and please start jotting down ideas on the etherpad -- it won't be long until we need to submit design summit talks for the last design summit 15:22:04 <bswartz> vponomaryov: I've been doing 1on1s with every core reviewer 15:22:17 <vponomaryov> ok 15:22:36 <bswartz> trying to save you all time and sythesize a proposal that we can all vote on 15:22:48 <bswartz> synthesize* 15:23:14 <bswartz> anwyays that's all I had 15:23:23 <bswartz> thanks for your great work on Newton everyone 15:23:35 <bswartz> and apologies to everyone who worked hard on features that didn't land 15:23:50 <bswartz> we're going to try to fix the process so we have less of the latter going forward 15:23:57 <bswartz> #topic open discussion 15:24:21 <ganso> can we still backport this? the fix merged yesterday #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/370815 15:24:31 <ganso> backport to mitaka 15:24:46 <ganso> right now I am waiting for HNAS CI 15:25:09 <bswartz> ganso: yeah AFAIK stable/mitaka won't lock down for another 3 weeks 15:25:17 <ganso> bswartz: great! :) 15:26:00 <bswartz> backports to newton will be tightly controlled until after the release ofc 15:27:09 <bswartz> alright if nobody has anything else I'll give you 33 minutes back 15:27:15 <bswartz> thanks everyone 15:27:31 <bswartz> #endmeeting