15:00:24 <bswartz> #startmeeting manila
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15:00:33 <bswartz> hello all
15:00:35 <jungleboyj> @!
15:00:35 <_pewp_> jungleboyj ＼(-_- )
15:00:41 <tbarron> hi
15:00:49 <vponomaryov> hello
15:00:50 <zhongjun> Hi
15:00:53 <toabctl> hey
15:01:30 <bswartz> I don't have any announcements today
15:01:32 <xyang2> hi
15:01:43 <bswartz> and just 1 agenda item posted
15:01:52 <bswartz> #agenda https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings
15:01:55 <markstur> hi
15:02:06 <jprovazn> hi
15:02:14 <vkmc> o/
15:02:30 <bswartz> #topic Specs and deadlines
15:02:43 <bswartz> #link https://releases.openstack.org/queens/schedule.html
15:03:26 <bswartz> so the Queens schedule looks fairly normal
15:03:54 <bswartz> The oddity this cycle is that the christmas and new year holidays fall during milestone 3
15:04:26 <jungleboyj> Was nice when the holidays were right after the release.
15:04:42 <bswartz> that means many of us will return from our vacations with just a few weeks left until feature freeze
15:05:21 <bswartz> that of course argues for getting stuff done earlier, but we've been pushing for that for the last few releases and its been going pretty well
15:05:40 <bswartz> given all of that, I propose we use the same deadlines for queens that we used for pike
15:05:44 <bswartz> milestone 1 is spec freeze
15:06:16 <bswartz> milestone 2 is new the driver submission deadline
15:06:44 <bswartz> and the feature proposal freeze is 2 weeks before milestone 3
15:07:25 <xyang2> bswartz: are you going to publish the schedule on the queens schedule web site again?   I think that was helpful last time
15:07:40 <bswartz> although during queens I put the deadlines on Mondays instead of Thursday which worked pretty well
15:07:54 <bswartz> xyang2: well I wanted to discuss them here before posting anything
15:08:01 <bswartz> do these deadlines give anyone heartburn?
15:08:04 <xyang2> sure
15:08:37 <bswartz> it's worth noting that PTG is later in this cycle than it was in pike
15:08:39 <gouthamr> o/
15:09:02 <markstur> is gouthamr raising his hand for heartburn?
15:09:05 <bswartz> Denver is just 5 weeks before milestone 1, and our PTG will be only 4 weeks before
15:09:31 <bswartz> that means we'll have just 4 weeks between PTG and spec freeze
15:10:04 <bswartz> IMO that should be enough, as long as we can get reviews to happen in a timely fashion in late september/early october
15:10:18 <bswartz> markstur: I think yes
15:10:29 <gouthamr> markstur: stealthily walking in, raising hand, and then reading scrollback
15:10:33 <gouthamr> bad move
15:10:36 <gouthamr> no heartburn
15:11:42 * bswartz goes to check how many specs are proposed already
15:12:15 <bswartz> just 2 that have been recently updated
15:13:12 <zhongjun> There are some features left in pike branch
15:13:27 <bswartz> merged specs that weren't implemented?
15:13:47 <bswartz> those should be renamed into the queens directory in new gerrit changes
15:14:08 <zhongjun> Yes, and some specs didn't merged in pike
15:14:30 <bswartz> oh well the unmerged ones should be updated to queens and re-reviewd
15:15:05 <bswartz> please make sure any ideas you want to discuss for queens are on the PTG etherpad
15:15:42 <bswartz> and having specs before the PTG event helps us having a starting point for the discussion
15:15:52 <bswartz> although it's fine to write the spec afterwards too
15:16:16 <bswartz> just keep the deadline in mind -- we were fairly strict on limiting the number of specs during pike
15:17:03 <bswartz> the number of specs we try to tackle in queens will relate to how many reviewers we have
15:17:27 <bswartz> and happily we're seeing some new faces from RedHat so I'm optimistic
15:17:56 <bswartz> okay so that's all I had on this agenda item
15:18:07 <bswartz> if there are no objections I will post the deadlines to the official schedule after the meeting
15:18:28 <zhongjun> Thanks
15:18:33 <bswartz> #topic open discussion
15:18:42 <bswartz> anything else for today?
15:19:18 <bswartz> I was planning on holding the meeting as usual next week, even though I'll be traveling
15:19:55 <bswartz> because in 2 weeks we'll be in our PTG and that will overlap with this meeting
15:20:28 * bswartz hears crickets
15:20:37 <bswartz> okay I think we're don early today then
15:20:49 * gouthamr and you ping that guy again
15:20:52 <bswartz> done
15:21:06 <bswartz> thanks everyone
15:21:15 <bswartz> #endmeeting