15:01:53 #startmeeting manila 15:01:53 Meeting started Thu Aug 23 15:01:53 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tbarron. 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I need to find out why 15:05:09 xyang: hmm, some IDENT thing maybe 15:05:17 Hi all! 15:05:26 tbarron is avoiding getting kicked for flooding 15:05:26 bswartz: hope you had a nice vacation! 15:05:37 tbarron: I did! thank you 15:05:42 Hi 15:06:03 zhongjun2_: Hi there! I didn't see your nick in this channel so didn't ping you. 15:06:15 Thought you might have chosen to sleep for a change. 15:06:37 Oh, I just join in this channel 15:06:51 We don't have a big agenda today. 15:06:59 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Manila/Meetings#Next_meeting 15:07:05 #topic Announcements 15:07:12 Okay 15:07:32 We released manila-tempest-plugin last Friday, more 15:07:48 or less synchronized with the tempest release itself, which is 15:08:04 other things equal good for distros that need to package up this stuff. 15:08:38 As you probably all know we haven't had any critical bug reports with our rc candidate. 15:08:48 So we don't have an rc-n. 15:09:19 Huzzah 15:09:22 The final rocky release is planned to be cut 29 August, next Wednesday. 15:09:40 Some of you were asking me when stable/rocky will open up again. 15:10:06 After the release, we're in a hold-down on that branch till then. 15:10:41 Meanwhile, please start working on Stein! 15:10:49 PTG planning etherpad is here: 15:11:06 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/manila-ptg-planning-denver-2018 15:11:37 I have put up a review to open up Stein specs that should merge later today I think. 15:12:00 zhongjun2_: it moves the access-rule-priority spec over. 15:12:19 all please note that there is driver work to do to complete that spec. 15:12:33 I saw that patch. Thank you 15:12:47 So please plan to inspect your back end :) and see if you need to do anything. 15:13:40 And look at the etherpad, add to it as you wish, and try to come to PTG prepared on issues that interest you. 15:13:56 We want PTG to be productive as well as fun :) 15:14:12 zhongjun2_: will you not participate in the PTG remotely? 15:14:31 Final announcement, speaking of fun, is that we'll have a combined dinner with the cinder team. 15:14:48 There's a doodle poll to select the day. 15:15:02 What's doodle? 15:15:03 I will participate part of meeting if the zone time is suitable 15:15:11 #link https://doodle.com/poll/8rm3ahdyhmrtx5gp 15:15:17 bswartz: it's that ^^ 15:15:35 The proposed time is 7:30 Denver time. 15:15:55 But the web page keeps getting set back to Eastern time for some reason. 15:16:01 ganso: Do we have remote PTG meeting? 15:16:08 Ouch, 3 large banner ads, and I don't have an ad blocked on this VM 15:16:11 Looks to me that it will be Tuesday night. 15:16:22 zhongjun2_: yes, it is listed in the etherpad 15:16:43 Thanks to jungleboyj for setting up the doodle. 15:17:10 No problem. :-) 15:17:15 zhongjun2_: put your name next to topics and we'll try to discuss those earlier ... 15:17:40 The planning etherpad has a place for remote attendees to indicate their timezones. 15:17:51 tbarron: Okay:) 15:18:25 While we can't *promise* anything we'll do our best to run the agenda so that topics remote attendees are interested in match their availability. 15:19:20 That's all I have for announcements. 15:19:24 Anyone else? 15:20:09 #topic Bugs 15:20:17 dustins: you are up 15:20:28 I'm actually good today! 15:20:41 Nothing to report this time around 15:20:47 dustins: you are always good 15:20:57 tbarron: I work hard at it 15:20:57 dustins++ 15:21:04 And aren't we all just works in progress :) 15:21:06 ok 15:21:18 I'm going through the backlog of "new" bugs to see if they're actually new 15:21:29 And as I do that I'll add some to the list to go over later 15:21:50 I'll be out for the next couple of meetings, but I'll have some cool stuff to look at when I return 15:22:37 ok 15:22:46 #topic Open Discussion 15:23:29 ganso: I did a test run on stable/queens for that generic driver bug report which you were generous enough to comment on. 15:23:44 ganso: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/592700/ 15:24:06 ganso: maybe when you get a chance you can point to the successful share creations there and to 15:24:07 tbarron: as we suspected, there doesn't seem to be a problem there 15:24:19 ganso: the package list from the devstack log 15:24:33 tbarron: sure, I'll add a comment to the launchpad entry 15:24:42 ganso: suggesting that the bug reporter may want to compare and update his setup accordingly 15:24:48 ganso: ty!! 15:25:09 tbarron: thanks for submitting the debug patch 15:25:21 Anyone here up-to-date on placement service? 15:25:43 I will be studying it to understand better 15:26:04 how it solves scheduler races without suffering from them itself when it is run active-active 15:26:07 +1 15:26:28 Interestingly it is supposed to be quite lightweight, and 15:26:48 also supposed to be capable of being used as a library instead of as an independent service. 15:27:10 This is relevant to positioning manila as open infrastructure that 15:27:30 can run with the rest of OpenStack or not, and with or without keystone. 15:28:23 Somewhat related, you may notice that the PTG etherpad has manila as CSI driver on it. 15:28:52 If you are working on this or know people who are, let's collaborate. 15:29:04 Who added that? 15:29:07 I did. 15:29:34 What do you know about it? Are you working on it tbarron? 15:30:20 learning, not working yet 15:31:08 there's lots of interest where I work and I notice at CERN 15:31:39 and with my upstream PTL hat on I think the continued vitality of manila 15:31:54 depends on positioning it as open infrastructure 15:32:07 (as you notice is happening to OpenStack anyways) 15:32:32 that doesn't live solely for the purpose of providing storage to nova VMs. 15:33:04 manila is well positioned for such a role since it serves up storage over networks rather than 15:33:14 through a hypervisor 15:33:45 Nevertheless there's a bunch of work to integrate cinder w/ containers 15:34:09 bswartz: yes, and a crying need for RWX storage as well :) 15:34:16 The hypervisor vs over-the-network issues doesn't seem to be stopping anybody 15:34:38 bswartz: right, cinder has "local attach" now 15:35:06 all I'm saying is that manila doesn't have to worry about that. 15:35:16 Indeed 15:35:41 I'm involved with the Kubernetes NFS connectivity code 15:35:52 or doing multi-attach and adding a write arbitrator 15:36:03 bswartz: awesome! 15:37:08 bswartz: cool, do you have a code link? 15:37:59 Well the code is part of kubernetes today 15:38:08 All kubernetes has to do is perform the mount 15:38:29 The only interesting part of it is how mount options get communicated 15:38:56 CSI currently does not support mount options, but I'm fixing that 15:39:14 The legacy NFS stuff in Kubernetes does support mount options 15:39:42 bswartz: have you thought about multi-protocol? 15:40:09 a *manila* csi driver (vs just nfs) would really need that 15:40:19 What do you mean multiprotocol? 15:40:27 There's not a ton if interest in CIFS if that's what you mean 15:40:30 nfs, cifs, ceph native, etc. 15:40:54 I'm sure ceph support exists, for blocks at least 15:40:55 there is interest in ceph native and I am interested in manila as abstraction layer over that and nfs 15:41:14 Cephfs may exist, but I wouldn't know anything about it 15:41:21 yeah, people are doign nfs, glusterfs, cephfs separately 15:41:38 manila csi would abstract 15:41:42 A challenge for a generic manila driver would be supporting all those protocol in 1 driver 15:42:09 It would be far simpler to write a manila driver that only supported the NFS subset of backends 15:42:38 Or a manila driver that support cephfs only, for exampe 15:42:50 * bswartz can't type 15:42:58 easier, I agree 15:43:23 but the abstraction layer could be quite useful for cloud admins who don't want to lock in 15:43:53 You'd have to look at the use cases 15:44:15 With kubernetes, at least, you have a million storage options, so lock in doesn't seem like a problem 15:44:29 With other CO's the problem could be worse, but CSI is making it better 15:46:43 Well I've got lots to learn and it's good to know our original PTL knows a lot about this stuff! 15:46:50 Anything else for today? 15:47:37 OK, see y'all in #openstack-manila ... 15:47:40 #endmeeting